i think it's actually a difficult question, judge gertner, the former president's attorneys, arguing that the case it shouldn't move forward because before the election, they've also floated an august 12th start date. why do you think they floated that august 12th start date >> they want to make sure that the florida case jumps ahead of the line of the january 6 case. if the january 6 cases ever restarted because they are there much more comfortable in florida where the jury pool is much more favorable to the former president than in dc. so i mean, i agree with jeff about the what'll it feel like in september, but i mean, one of the things that is the case here as that this was the play in other words, trump's lawyers have delayed everything, everything that should have been a routine motion turned into a big brouhaha. and unfortunately, the judge has enabled it to be a brouhaha. so we're in the situation now, really because of choices that trump's lawyers made and choices that she really they ratified. so that's the problem. >> and the one judge who has been pushing this case is jud

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. >> all reid, stay with us, want to bring in retired federal judge nancy gertner currently a senior law lecturer at harvard, also federal prosecutor and bestselling supreme court biographer jeffrey toobin i mean, it's judge cannon >> is she >> fully in the trump camp? >> i mean, you know, she's been criticized even by the conservative 11th circuit court for bending over backwards too much for trump. but she's dealing now with a profound question and i don't think it is a simple question, which is is donald trump a defendant like any other defendant who has a schedule based on the convenience of the court and all full speed ahead or is the court's supposed to take into consideration this man is running for president. she is indicated she would not take into consideration his campaign schedule. he wouldn't take him his campaign schedule, but at doesn't really answer the question of when you get into the fall, is it appropriate to have one of the two major candidates for presidents sitting in a courtroom in september, in october, anyone who pretends that's an easy question, i think is

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. >> we have nancy gertner.come judge. >> great to be on with you guys. >> thanks so much for being here. these attacks on the judiciary are obviously nothing new for donald trump. but what is new is that a number of federal judges have spoken out about these attacks on the judiciary and its i'll partiality. what do you make of those developments? is this welcome that the federal judiciary is speaking out or is this something that gives you pause? >> no, it's very welcome to me. this is not part of a civilized society of law and order. and it is -- it is about time that someone sort of called the question and said this is beyond the pale. what he is doing is beyond the pale. that at least now this is the third judge who understood that it's not about the usual concerns, you know. about a fair trial. which is terribly important. and you know, intimidating potential jurors. this is about intimidating witnesses and court staff and basically undermining an orderly and regular trial. it's a good thing that federal ju

kayla thanks so much on his now it's former federal judge nancy gertner to former federal prosecutors bestselling author jeffrey toobin, and jennifer rodgers and former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe. jeff, how much of this is a setback for the former president? >> not much. >> i >> mean, there's, so, there's so many more issues coming and what he's really trying to do is delay the case. the headline for me he today is, you know what happened today? nothing much. >> i mean, there >> is just so much more that this judge has to deal with to get this case to trial. she's going at a very leisurely pace. she's taking hours and hours. are they going to have hearings for each of these other? possibly seven possible. >> she hasn't said yet, but at the rate, she's going and the way she's letting the lawyers talk on and on about some of these motions are just absurd. i mean, the idea that it's unconstitutional for jack smith to be supervising this case. it's completely justice department employee. but all of them have to be decided before a trial date takes place. and she hasn't set a trial

last night on msnbc, judge nancy gertner called his actions frightening and troubling.!ccountability. especially with this case. nobody is going to trial. trump suggests he is being singled out and treating -- being treated differently. is being treated better than anybody. the problem is every judge facing him would feel in a high profile case that the thing is to make him a martyr. that is was icy when he is inviting. >> jordan me now is robin givens, senior critic at large for the washington post and writer of this new article, election should be free and fair ; being a candidate should be tough. welcome. i am curious about your reaction to her analysis. do you agree? >> i do. i think trump is using the idea to paint himself who someone, no falter actions of his own, is being put in a terrible position. in fact, we have seen his trial delayed. we have seen his bond reduced. we have seen him get any number of changes made to these cases because of who he is. because of the power he has. >> i want to get to the >> that you touched on in your new article . you dismissed

. >> joining now to discuss all of this is nancy gertner, a form judge and lecturer at harvard. so what is new is that a number of federal judges have spoken out about these attacks on the judiciary. what do you make of these developments? is this welcome or something that gives you pause? >> they called to question and said this is beyond the pale. what he is doing is beyond the pale. this is the third judge who understood it is not about the usual concerns you know, about a fair trial which is terribly important. intimidating potential jurors. this is about intimidating witnesses and court staff, and basically undermining an orderly and regular trial. it is a good thing that federal judges have spoken out and it speaks to how extraordinary this is. how extraordinary a moment this is. >> judge, i would like to pivot to the gag order. as we just noted, donald trump is saying that it should not be expanded to cover either the elite prosecutor or the judge or their family members. and saying this is actually part of campaign speech. i was wondering what your thoughts were about wh

i know that former massachusetts district court judge, nancy gertner, who is very highly regarded by her colleagues and lawyers you had the same reaction that i had and i saw some reporting today where she was suggesting that they seek to recuse her on this basis as well, pointing out that she's just ignoring a raft of equally absurd motions as well persistently delaying this case. >> a month ago, she >> she ordered the identities of witnesses to be disclosed and jack smith pointed out to her that i was just not allowable you know, she's she has decided to dismiss the vagueness challenge to the statute. but to the to the espionage act statute. but has suggested that it might be something that would be addressed in jury instructions at a time where jeopardy would already have been been attached and the government would have no remedy. it's really, it's really remarkable some of the things that she's done to that or this fundamentally unhinged >> so i mean, you're using your words. i mean, i know precisely right. i mean, unhinged and it gets to the point where i use the word inexplicab