distance -- >> look, the thing about her tenure as secretary of state, paul, it's kind of like gertrude stein'sition of oakland. there is no there there. you examine the record and you look for a major accomplishment, some kind of signature that's connected -- >> that takes her right into the white house? no accomplishments equals president of the united states? is that what you're saying? >> this is the age oh -- this is the age we're living in. it fills her resume. and by the way, she speaks smoothly about foreign policy, she is knowledgeable, clearly has seen her way around the world. it's just that her tenure as secretary leads to no kennen moment, no schultz moment, no kissinger moment. she has traveled the miles. >> kim, do you agree with brett? because -- >> i do. >> my question is, how does she distance herself from obama's record, if that record continues to deteriorate, and particularly on foreign policy, where she served for four years? if you see continuing spreading global disorder, which we may? how does she separate herself from that? >> i don't think she does. and this is why i