if i were to calmness -- call miss gesner and ask her about something on the agenda, do we get charged for that? >> yes. we get a charge for any time anybody on the board in lists their services. vice presdient garcia: there are lots of times when i call when i might call you instead. that would save the board money. >> you can do that. commissioner peterson: who initiates the work order? >> the work order is between the different departments. it covers the utilization of services from the city attorney. whoever initiates the utilization of services is relevant to the charge. i would be happy to give you some information about your individual charges, if you ever care to know about it. i get a print out with every billable hour, and it identifies who in the city attorney is working on the issue and who they were working on it for. for instance, if you were to call the deputy city attorney, it would indicate that on the billing. vice presdient garcia: it seems like there are times when -- i am going slowly here, because i do not want to sound negative or critical. but there are times wh