>> geyer: we, we don't know. trail or anything like that, so it's very difficult. and we know that a lot of plastic in southeast asia and other countries ends-- ends up in open dumps. >> alfonsi: this is discouraging, i think, to most people. is the idea of recycling a myth? >> geyer: i wouldn't call it a myth. >> alfonsi: but it's not working. >> geyer: for plastic, it's currently not working. so we need-- we need to change it. we need to try different things. >> by 2050, there will be more plastic in the ocean than fish. >> alfonsi: there are campaigns across the country to ban straws and bags, and try to reduce the amount of plastic we consume in the first place. but su >> freinkel: i know all the problems about plastic, and if you open my kitchen, you know, cabinets, i've got a box of ziploc baggies there, because it's easier. so, you know, we have to really wrestle ourselves with, what conveniences are we willing to give up, what kind of cons-- consumption are we willing to, sort of, pull back on, in order t

are you looking at mack geyer? >> mack geyer is excellent. mcguire. great leader. acting right now. sue gordon very much. i think think a period of time. i'm in no rush because we have a great acting. reporter: [inaudible] >> i spoke to senator burr about different people. he is head of intelligence. i'm working together with senator burr, the whole committee. i'm looking for somebody everybody can get together with. i like pete hoekstra. he is doing a great job in the netherlands right now. reporter: down to three, more than two? >> that is a that everybody wants, dni. but i'm dealing, i'm dealing with a committee. i'm dealing with really senator burr a lot and we'll come up with somebody that's great. we have a lot of choice. a lot of people want the job. reporter: [inaudible]. >> i'm concerned they're not getting along with each other. they have to get along with each other. if they don't get along, what are we doing? they have to get along with each other. very important. south korea and japan have to sit down and get along with each other. otherwise what are we all doing? repor