of dog walkers into our parks and out of the ggnra land. but that's a discussion for a later date. they're going to go through their process but for now, want to respect what the committee did and supervisor wiener's legislation so i will not be supporting the motion. supervisor campos: thank you, mr. president. again, i don't know what the right number is and i actually -- there's part of me that certainly appreciates and supports what supervisor avalos is trying to do and i do want to thank animal care and control and rec and park because they have to deal with this issue and the issue of what happens if federal government has a lower number and we have a larger number a concern. that said, i will defer to supervisor wiener who has been dealing with this for quite some time and if it does turn out that six should be the right number i think we'll have an opportunity to modify the number. i also have spoken to a number of people in the industry where i am confident that if it is the right person doing it and if it's done properly that the

i know that is the maximum number of the east bay area, and ggnra said that would be the maximum number that they would allow. i know that has been a concern, and i know that small businesses are concerned. i know the average cost of a dog walker and doing the math, it is still feasible. we have seen that with the many, many dog walkers to sign up to be on our list and follow our guidelines, so i wanted to weigh in on that. i have to admit that i know very little about dog behavior and training. but in terms of the influence of one dog on others, is dogs could train others, we would not need trainers, but, yes, dogs more often pick up bad habits rather than learn good habits, unfortunately, in my personal experience as well as professional experience, and i am happy to answer any questions you may have. supervisor mar: talking about the dog licenses, can you talk about the importance of registering your dogs and how this legislation might impact that? >> yes, dog licensing is something that has been on the books and very long time in california and in san francisco, pretty much national

volunteer program staff spent a day last week volunteering for the ggnra to get a better understanding of the volunteers point of view and provide better service. it is a very exciting program. the petition program celebrates its one-year anniversary, one of the best choice to come out of the last year and something that definitely contributed to our park maintenance source as strong as they are. just yesterday, we had the pleasure of celebrating the program's first-year anniversary. the mayor has been supportive of the program, as have all of you, and in one year, the program helped keep our parks clean and beautiful. under the supervision of the coordinator, nine men and women have completed dozens of projects in 22 city parks, including printing and planting of the concourse, trail building at the interior greenbelt, restoring the baseball diamond, and obviously, there incredible work at harding in anticipation of the schwab cup. i want to thank a congratulate everyone who had a hand in launching this program. helen diller playground update. i am very happy to report that in the cen

partially that is because ggnra is in the process of going through nepa, and their timeline is different than ours. the ceqa document is going for appropriation today. the nepa process will stretch out into the spring. but we posted this document on december 1, and we are looking to get public input over the next month so that we can incorporate anything we may have missed or different perspectives from the community. we would also, of course, love to have input from the commission. ultimately, we will come back and present a final plan to you. also, it is important to note that drafting this document in some respects served as a wonderful preparation exercise for us. we will be drafting parks special event permits both for the 2012 event and the 2013 events. this helps us get our head around what will be included in that period that will come back later because we will need much more detail, so we anticipate coming back with that later in the spring. and i think that is it. any questions you might have, i'm happy to answer. commissioner lee: does this come back to us as a permit applica

when i was present, and laid out a swimming, as directed by the ggnra, in i believe that encompasses that old coat. now, you're going to let people swimming and rolling with a giant diesel generator. but representative, i know the hazards of diesel fuel. the helium and other toxics that come out of it. you are going to have that running for a television that is really not needed out there because it will present a danger to the people you swim, fish, and wrote out there because of that diesel output. -- and row out there. this needs more consideration because you are making a dangerous condition for all people, even people that our visitors walking around the museum. thank you. thank you. next speaker. >> good evening, supervisors. my name is set. i about six blocks from aquatics crow. i swim there. i am not representing my club, so i will not talk about it. what i wanted to talk about is our planning department and maybe the commission. every day -- i worked at a mission, and when i take a walk, when i go by a 11th and mission, i see some of the ugliest commercial buildings i never

i've had the pleasure of working over the years on some national park and ggnra stuff with three of the speakers tonight. jane, becky evans and carol prince. they are and always have been extremely involved in the environmental end both the theoretical and practical. and i greatly appreciate the efforts they've put into this over the last several months. there were a couple of comments made by speakers tonight, watershed moment, legacy was mentioned several times. and they are all quite appropriate on this. i think the department has been an unbelievable job. i have a cardboard box like this that i had to bring in with material. it was just amazing. this is a work in progress. the group of san franciscoians that went down to -- san franciscans that went down to san diego to watch the preliminary races, made suggestions. those suggestions started to be incorporated. those are being incorporated. what happens next year, 2012 and the results and the experiences will be incorporated in what happens in 2013. but that's not the end of it. and several people have mentioned what happens to the

partially that is because ggnra is in the process of going through nepa, and their timeline is different than ours. the ceqa document is going for appropriation today. the nepa process will stretch out into the spring. but we posted this document on ce

hours necessary to put together this legislation then there would be still a limit of infinity once ggnra went into effect, once the trust went into effect. so otherwise, you know, what everyone thinks of the number eight, it's something and again we can make a change in the future if need be. and so i'm going to stick with eight. but i do understand the argument for seven and i'm not saying it's irrational or wrong. supervisor kim: my apologies. after listening to supervisor wiener talk about the process and respecting the process, i'd like to withdraw my motion to reduce the number to seven. president chiu: supervisor kim would like to withdraw her motion. without objection, that should be the case. supervisor chu: thank you. i will then make the motion to revise the number to seven. president chiu: supervisor chu is making the motion to revise the number to seven. any further discussion? ok. why don't we take a roll call on -- vote on the motion that the number be amended from eight to seven. supervisor wiener: no. supervisor avalos: aye. supervisor campos: no. president chiu: aye. sup

parallel tracks, so if there is a different number, you may see dog walkers using the city property over ggnra property, particularly on park property. supervisor mar: my understanding is there a maximum number of dogs is 6? >> my understanding is that they are pursuing six, but they have not gone past their rulemaking. supervisor wiener: i have spoken with them, and they will be putting in their own dog walker legislation. they like this legislation, but they were pretty firm that they would go no higher than seven. ok. did you want to -- ok, we will open it up for public comment. if there is anyone else who wants to fill one out, we have them. public comment will be two minutes. ok, page, robert it, sally, renÉe, gilbert, kathy, and the lindsay. >> hi, i am page. i run a dog walking company. i am certification. i also teach pet cpr and first aid, and i work over at the spca in the reactive dog program. first of all, ms. katz said that they do not train dogs. that is true. but if you have ever seen cattle dogs, they really do help. they would not have such a time if they did not have an assis