>> i had gone to libya and met with ghadafi at the time. it was one of our chief concerns. we were approaching them to say to them. we were concerned about the pipeline. the fear he there, is not only at the time are you allowing the people to travel into the war zone, but you worry about the bleedoff that after the conflict these people will go back to their home countries. it was all was cross north africa and this is sort of coming home to ruoost that original problem years earlier. and so, while unfortunate, it is not surprising. these guys return to their communities with the sense of prestige. they come home and they take on these leadership roles in local communities and so it is not entirely surprising but very enforce nate. >> we have seen this before, folks trained on the battleground in iraq and libya and elsewhere. these guys are getting training in combat zones. it is the only place that they can get it. they need to pass through the crucible of combat. they get very good and learn how to fire grenades and these people are getting better and better all the time

foreign policy has been a disaster and barack obama says i killed bin laden and i helped to kill ghadafind i ended the war in iraq and announced the war in afghanistan and i helped to employ freedom. >> i think you have to do more. killing bin laden is something anyone could have done. but his view isn't necessarily the right one. i think it will be interesting to see them debate about it against each other. let me ask you this, very briefly, your verdict on what may happen on monday. you laid out his record and i think we have one of the most extra ordinary secretaries of state. looking back at the debate, clearly these issues did come out. joe biden said we are going to get out of afghanistan and paul ryan was unable to talk about what the plan was to get out of the war on afghanistan. mitt romney and the few opportunities he has had, has not shown himself as ready to be a world leader. >> of course, mitt romney may say hang on a second. very dangerous pakistan, most of the middle east is all up in flames a different narrative could come out if he could convince the voters that is goin