circling around epstein the last few years, but no one has really gotten in trouble, besides ghislaine maxwellason to believe any of the other power names are going to face any consequences for the most part right now? you and i are talking about this. they're in their c suite offices and on their yachts. >> what's kind of ironic about this, the only people that have paid any price, suffered as a result of this case are women, all the way down to the prosecutors who handled this, the state female prosecutor, her career was destroyed, the federal female prosecutor was basically forced out of there, had to take another job. there's just victims themselves. and it is concerning that the only people seem to have paid a price in this are women. >> and do you think that will be the case going forward, besides reputational risk, and ghislaine aside, any big guys that will pay a price? >> you know, that's hard to say. you know, i hate to say this, but you know, it is going to be very hard for them to i think try to connect all the dots with all of the important people. a lot of people are keeping thei