in the scandal surrounding abu ghraib it's not just soldiers in the investigation. and there were also civilians involved in the abuse against prisoners so-called contractors that for some reason were never brought to trial. what exactly is a contractor the man in the red tie is paul bremmer. he was generous karpinski his boss in iraq. the man walking beside him with a machine gun isn't a soldier he's a contractor from blackwater we're talking here about a mercenary we're talking about a hired. gun. and when you have in iraq. a man with a gun. who is hired to use that weapon you're talking about a soldier without all of the battles that there are no rules or regulations governing the use the people. we wanted to get in touch with someone at blackwater who can explain to us what exactly a contractor does. try to reach mr burt success and i want to talk to regarding press issues. blackwater so many times that we've lost count but they don't seem to want to talk to us. put it appears that the coalition doesn't just use blackwater. the fact is there are over twenty thou

but when these pictures from saddam's ghraib prison came out. it's clear they have a scandal on their hands some say these methods originated in guantanamo. we just haven't seen the pictures rumors have also begun to circulate new rumors of interrogators using sex and hip hop music to get people to crack. use the sexual act a theory to gain against you. personally know me personally know by people who is happens in school. if. the. world if it was under their child a lot of other things but then they sense in a girl who. will come to me and she came up to me and started to talk to you know we can and she told me she could do many things for me so she started to thirty three give me a massage and she grabbed me at certain places. and she actually told me that she could do plenty for me. but when she came close or just certain spots then i put up my hands and trying to protect myself and when she saw that at the end she got angry since i didn't want to you know we heard she said that whenever i wanted to see her and she said her name was sylvia. j

them they give them the fuel if this is this is what guantanamo bay was once i will but what abu ghraib was in terms of recruitment towards anti-american sentiment is exactly what jones and this other guy have been doing and westboro baptist church and so if we if we saw the people in in abu ghraib being criminalized then so should this this jones and sap and these others now of course pastor jones came out with a statement today saying that he didn't regret at all what happened he did call what happened afghanistan tragic and called it criminal and said that the u.s. should do something about it and essentially bring islamic to trial as they supposedly did but you know the thing is they're not the ones facing any reputations here nobody is now attacking them it's unfortunately it's american troops it's international troops in afghanistan and international u.n. workers there as well they're ok the price these are even these are even soldiers that were killed some of them they were diplomats they were human rights activists they were people that. in many ways trying to work with muslims

. >> it looks like bush was out of control and out a gre -- abu ghraib and guantanamo -- >> john mccain had the same position. it sounds good until you confront the reality of how to do this -- >> just to hold people at nauseam without a real fault where you pick them up on the battlefield -- >> as we did in world war ii. >> at the question of trying people for whom you are believed he of committed a horrific crime against the united steinitz -- the united states. it is reasonable to do the latter in a military commission. the former is different. >> one of the most important races in 2008 wa -- 2006 was in virginia, where jim webb decided to take on george allen and one. george allen wants his job back, and former gov. tim kaine has decided to fight him for it. >> the democrats are likely that kaine has come back into the arena. i am not sure how eager he was, but clearly he is the heavyweight here. he is the guy who could beat george allen. otherwise, it would end of runway, a short switch overero the republicans -- it would have been a runaway, a short-t -- a sure switch over to the

the man turned over the cd's of abu ghraib. the man returned to those over we do who turn those over had no responsibility to keep silent -- the man who turn those over -- who turned those over had no responsibility to keep silent. >> i thought we were having a debate about whistle-blowers. proud of being a whistle-blower. but, listen. this is a debate about people. paul d not take an oath. it is not about roads. it did not about swearing. this is about people and speak out, very clearly, people who speak out against dangerous, dishonest, illegal activity. let's be very ear. it is about big business. take the man that was portrayed by a rather potbellied russell crowe in the movie concern the tobacco industry. he saved lives by becoming a whistle-blower. this was about reducing the carcinogenic elements in the cigarettes. his asstance was central to the fda investigation into the role of nicotine. i do not know if he took an oath. but he stood up. our world is a betterlace. we do not live in a perfect world. we live in a very i

military to torture prisoners at abu ghraib. clearly, this is my favorite sense, public fears are being devoured by flesh eating ghouls can only be related by scholarships. so a little bit from realism as to what you would say. realism is a rather dystopic and jaundiced view of the world. in other words, realism is perfectly comfortable in the zombie universe, particularly the world of george is filmed in the original night of the living dead, seven people are trapped in a farmhouse surrounded by flesh eating ghouls. despite the common external threat posed by zombies, the individuals inside the house are barely able to cooperate. ties of kinship in the. two separate sovereign entities, the basement in the first floor, are quickly created and ruled by separate individuals. resources, food, access to information, firearms are the object of fears they should be some conflict. temperate a course designed to a public good, any escape and rescue, quickly break down when there are schiff's individuation power. a similar dynamic place

you think about that because personally as a journalist i think that showing the images from abu ghraib that that is her job as a journalist you're supposed to put those images out there because that's the truth but then is the media done just not doing its job in terms of well saying that this is wrong and actually questioning why this was going on certainly it didn't help that a lot of that information was out there of course you're right it needed to be out there that it was being done perhaps it goes badly we're talking about to the government that those things happen certainly they didn't want those things to be seen if they knew things were going to be seeing photos of. details about waterboarding or one time it will be prison the techniques there they probably would have thought twice about what effect those images were going to have on opinions in america but also the opinions of america's enemies people using footage like that to train and recruit new fighters to attack america now we know that those types of images don't help us they only make it more dangerous for our troops

in the case of abu ghraib, very few higher-ups' were prosecuted.ecretary rumsfield's own right-hand man was dispatched to basically teach the soldiers had to kill them and stimulate the through what reporting. those sorts of higher ups were never held accountable just as they have not been so far in "the kill team." general crystal is a very different issue. it is one for respect of civilian command. we have a military in this country that is subject to civilian control and command. here you have the leading general in charge of all troops in afghanistan basically openly dissing his civilian commanders. that is a very grave situation and one that has real constitutional issues involved, but was not a matter of immediate life and death. host: in this situation regarding "the kill team" can you tell is the highest commissions officer level involved in this? guest: as of this morning the pentagon released a report that was there was an investigation into the command structure. apparently this investigation concluded that colonel tunnel, while not dire

first came out that there were all these pictures people were asking if this could be the next abu ghraib or think of the worse but somehow it's gotten a lot less media attention here i want to ask you one more point on this letter because you know what the cosigners do here is they say that it looks like there's a pattern within the obama administration that they're really trying to deter other whistleblowers but at the same time they say that if bradley manning is convicted of a crime that he should be he should be convicted right that he should be punished so are they not really supporting was a chorus here are they kind of walking a thin line when it comes to what their what their view is on it but i'm sure that if you're two hundred fifty people who signed on to something you have to kind of you know present different perspectives and so it's maybe not as strong as some of the signers would like it to and in my view we need to be recognize now if we really mean he's guilty of what he's accused all you do is expose war crimes and other misbehavior where government officials from the l

with afghanis civilians who are dead i mean despite the abu ghraib prison this guy just like apologized a little cherry yeah they have the beat with us you know why don't you with us we have military bases throughout the world we have a thousand more than a thousand military bases throughout the world many in the middle east and they have a people where it will be with us for supporting israel as they occupied out back palestine illegally they have a beef with us because we spent as much as the whole world combined on the military it's not just jihad that's the problem it's american empire that's the problem it's time for us to stop behaving like of a bully and start become part of the country of nations and if they're and there was definitely torture at guantanamo i suggest you start reading these files and point out the truth there was exactly expose a couple years ago a separate sex section of guantanamo that was controlled by the cia used for torture and exactly these documents show the rigid visions increase in guantanamo in our leadership there are two groups there there were the

about in iraq and afghanistan prisoner abuse scandals that we continue to see this is not just abu ghraib this is still happening today also you know as the u.s. calls for countries like china for egypt to have unrestricted internet access there's a lot going on here in terms of wiki leaks and in terms of the u.s. government wanting to crack down on it so talk a little bit about that sort of rebuttal reports maliki that cheney came out and we have the most prominent case in the united states which is bradley manning and many many prominent people have spoken out against his treatment he's sort of the star case in this regard he has been held since last june last year he is being heavily watched he has very little privacy he has been kept in conditions in which he is forced to be naked his access to news has been curtailed he can only see a handful of people and. what he is alleged to have done which is to leak information on war crimes which everyone i would imagine is against but also large numbers of people in the united states are now against the war in afghanistan unfortunately we are

in the case of abu ghraib, very few higher-ups' were prosecuted. even though secretary rumsfield's own right-hand man was dispatched to basically teach the soldiers had to kill them and stimulate the through what reporting. those sorts of higher ups were never held accountable just as they have not been so far in "the kill team." general crystal is a very different issue. it is one for respect of civilian command. we have a military in this country that is subject to civilian control and command. here you have the leading general in charge of all troops in afghanistan basically openly dissing his civilian commanders. that is a very grave situation and one that has real constitutional issues involved, but was not a matter of immediate life and death. host: in this situation regarding "the kill team" can you tell is the highest commissions officer level involved in this? guest: as of this morning the pentagon released a report that was there was an investigation into the command structure. apparently this investigation concluded that colonel tunnel,

lead to self-defeating policy responses the way it leaves the military to torture prisoners in abu ghraib and my favorite sentence come up public fears are being devoured can only be allayed by rigorous scholarship. >> so from the realism to what it would say, it is a jaundiced view of the world and in other words, realism is perfectly comfortable in this on the universe with the original light of the living dead seven people trapped in a farm house surrounded by flesh eating ghouls from a common external threat to the kinship means little and too separate sovereign entities the basement and the first floor are created and ruled by separate individuals resources food and access to reformation and firearms are the object of fierce conflict temporary accord decide to create a public good like escape and rescue breakdown when there is a shift in the distribution of power. a similar dynamic plays itself out this time a band of survivors fortifies itself inside the shopping mall despite the abundance resources they prevent another cluster when they reach their defense they respond by opening s

the man turned over the cd's of abu ghraib. the man returned to those over we do who turn those over had no responsibility to keep silent -- the man who turn those over -- who turned those over had no responsibility to keep silent. >> i thought we were having a debate about whistle-blowers. proud of being a whistle-blower. but, listen. this is a debate about people. paul did not take an oath. it is not about roads. it did not about swearing. this is about people and speak out, very clearly, people who speak out against dangerous, dishonest, illegal activity. let's be very clear. it is about big business. take the man that was portrayed by a rather potbellied russell crowe in the movie concern the tobacco industry. he saved lives by becoming a whistle-blower. this was about reducing the carcinogenic elements in the cigarettes. his assistance was central to the fda investigation into the role of nicotine. i do not know if he took an oath. but he stood up. our world is a better place. we do not live in a perfect world. we live in

the man turned over the cd's of abu ghraib. the man returned to those over weo who turn those over had no responsibility to keep silent -- the man who turn those over -- who turned those over had no responsibility to keep silent. >> i thought we were having a debate about whistle-blowers. proud of being a whistle-blower. but, listen. this is a debate about people. paul did not take an oath. it is not about roads. it did not about swearing. this is about people and speak out, very clearly, people who speak out against dgerous, dishonest, illegal activity. let's be very clear. it is about big business. take the man that was portrayed by a rather potbellied russell crowe in theovie concern the tobacco industry. he saved lives by becoming a whistle-blower. this was about reducing the carcinogenic elements in the cigarettes. his assistance was central to the fda investigation into the role of nicotine. i do not know if he took an oath. but he stood up. our rld is a better place. we do not liv in a perfect world. we live in a very im

reluctant for the pentagon to take on the detainee mission , how he twice offered to resign over the abu ghraib scandal, and now how the progress that he did not insist president bush accept his resignation. a quick word that some commentators say that it is full blame shifting in finger pointing. i do not think that a fair minded individual would characterize the book that way. the town is analytical. it is not harsh or recurring minatory. some have attributed to secretary rumsfeld every problem that arose in the national security field. now he gets blamed for selling that some of the accusations were ungrounded. so you get politics coming and going. as a second matter, secretary ron phelps relations with his generals. the book shows that there were times when the secretary challenged and contradicted his generals and there were times when he deferred to them. when the secretary prices his generals -- presses his generals and clashes there were, as rumsfeld did it with version after version of general frank'' war plans for rot, he leave themselves vulnerable to the charge that he is micromanag

reluctant for the pentagon to take on the detainee mission, how he twice offered to resign over the abu ghraibcandal and that he now regrets he did not insist on president bush's accepting his resignation. i'd like to comment on some who say the book is full of finger pointing and blaming. i don't think a fair minded rider would analyze it that way. some critics have attributed to mr. rumsfeld virtually every problem of the bush administration. now he gets accused when he points out some of the original accusations were ungrounded. second matter, secretary rumsfeld's relations with his generals. the book shows that there were times when the secretary challenged and contradicted his generals and there were times when he deferred to them. when a secretary presses his generals and questions their work, as mr. rumsfeld did when he reviewed version after version of general franks's war plans for afghanistan and iraq, he leaves himself vulnerable to the charge that he is micromanaging and interfering in professional military judgments. but when a secretary defers to his generals in the field, as mr.

reluctant for the pentagon to take on the detainee mission, how he twice offered to resign over the abu ghraib scandal and that he now regrets that he did not insist on president bush's accepting his resignation. i'd like to say a quick word of some commentators made that the book is full of blame shifting and finger-pointing. i don't think that a fair-minded reader would characterize the book that way. its tone is analytical. it's not harsh or acrimtory. some critics have contributed to mr. rumsfeld of every problem that arose during the bush administration. now he gets condemned for blame shifting when he said that some of the accusations were ungrounded and critics can get you coming and going. now, second matter, secretary rumsfeld's relations with his generals. the book shows that there were times when the secretary challenged and contradicted his generals and there were times when he deferred to them. when a secretary presses his generals and questions their work, as mr. rumsfeld did when he reviewed did version after version of general frank's war plans for afghanistan and iraq, he leav