photos shook the world and serve as a turning point in public support for the iraq war the other ghraib scandal has left a deep deep scar on the legacy of this country one that deepens by the day as the real officials responsible for these atrocities continue to walk free and no i'm not talking about the handful of low level military personnel charges the result rather i'm referring to the war criminals who implemented torture on a systematic level and built the framework of these standard operating procedures the white house is famous they claim that albert ghraib was simply the work of a few bad apples low level soldiers independently conspired to dehumanize. and torture detainees but in fact it was a widespread policy under direct orders from the bush administration look obviously all of them are culpable and guilty of war crimes but there is one person who sits at the top of this torture pyramid former secretary of defense donald rumsfeld is the rumsfeld not only supervise the planning for extreme interrogation but he also arranged for justice department memos to approve these addit

i mean what happened in abu ghraib was certainly a deep scar on this country's history and something that we must take seriously and it's certainly not. you know not not as what she's saying it's really an issue and something that we should really pay attention to absolutely who are these three men that are pursuing this lawsuit that what they experience to make them want to do it while it's for money in total they have brought forward a loss when they experience the torture that you described in your opening the experience everything from having dogs on the experience having to bodily harm emotional harm so these these individuals were the victims these individuals were the victims in the pictures the ones that we've seen in the images that have been plastered across the world that's who these individuals represent unfortunately three of them have been barred entry from and from the united states and we don't know the reason why despite the fact that litigation has moved forward on their case and we are in a courtroom and they are in a court room and seeking recourse for what has ha

occupation of iraq talking about the abu ghraib prison or perhaps i should say a torture chamber and serve as a center of torture and abuse under saddam's regime and two thousand and three u.s. occupying forces took it over to the headquarters of sorts to gather intelligence but it wasn't until two thousand and four that we learned of the methods being used to gather the so-called intelligence you may remember seeing this photo prisoners like this one were hooded and told to stand on platforms for hours to wires they were told that if they moved it would be electrocuted or this one or prisoners were stripped naked and bound in stress positions sexual human izing tactics i've ever heard of everything from smearing feces and menstrual blood on people's faces to forcing them to commit homo sexual acts with other detainees u.s. military personnel also sick dogs on prisoners for intimidation purposes and took part in other tactics such as dragging their genitals across a freezing wet concrete floor and burning them with cigarettes but sadly as horrific as these images are and as shocking

. >> i remember abu ghraib and people said abu ghraib happened in an atmosphere that was countenance by the administration. you have a president who is campaigning against these groups in many ways, campaigning against supreme court decisions that allowed these groups on the left and the right. is there anything valid about that? >> i don't think so. i don't think that's what the inspector general found and this president finds this conduct deplorable. this should never happen again. this is a breach of the public trust. we have to work together to rebuild the trust. >> let me ask you about benghazi, the attack on our consulate, four americans killed. the president is making it clear he thinks this is a political hit job by republicans. do you acknowledge any mistakes made in the course of communicating to the public by benghazi or respond together benghazi attack? >> we acknowledge what happened in benghazi was a tragedy. the independent board led by it would have our leading nonpartisan figures, ambassador pickering and admiral mullen and they said there are a lot of steps to make

i use the abu ghraib example. do you think that's a fair criticism here?> i think you have to step back and say what's the theory of governing here? and the theory is, it seems, oh, there are investigations of the irs so we can't interfere. there is this leak investigation of the a.p., so we can't get involved. oh, there is an investigation of benghazi so we're not responsible. the president and the executive branch need to govern on a daily basis, and you can't purchase immunity from governing. >> but you can't equate all those things, bob. >> yeah, you can. >> no. you can't say that it's okay to tell the president, to tete the attorney general in a criminal matter, what are you doing? >> but there is a policy issue here, do you issue this broad-based subpoena on reporters? >> but the president can't interfere with that. >> but you need to have a policy set down and there is proper communication between the attorney general and the white house counsel on matters like this. >> is he president or not? i mean, ultimately, these are executive agencies, which

ghraib prison was not a place you spoke out against. i guess inside the practices there was or. when dan dad he didn't leave much of a suicide note he simply wrote i leave his experience smiling that's all he wrote you know doing it all over again i you know i don't know what i could've done differently i mean for heaven's sakes i didn't want him in the study it was not important at all how dan was chilling if it were important how he was doing that would have contacted me after we contacted them on good friday and said do we have to wait for him to kill himself and we did we had to wait for that i called the corner of the monday after he died i said i wanted to see him and i remember her kind of yelling at me and saying. don't you know how he died. and i his head well evidently i had to hope. and i didn't you know who. or when you find out your son kills himself you don't say what good do i know i didn't know. but it wasn't a normal suicide. he slit his throat so badly that the car nurse office said young mr capitated himself. and then she said probably because he wasn't dying

abu ghraib was a big scandal. and no one was really held accountable for it. so this happens in every administration. and it is happening again. >> and tom, you were saying earlier that there are times when the reporters have to make their case in a national security context. negotiating really, back and forthwith the government over certain disclosures and reports. one big difference lately, of course, with wikileaks and the bradley manning trial starting next week, the government feel they don't have anyone on the other side of that table and there are many reports, as you know, the justice department in a range of investigations has gone after leakers and potentially journalists, caught up in these investigations. much more severely. out of that concern. the feeling that they are losing the negotiating partner that they once had. how much of that in your view, and from your history, do you think is a different context for this today? >> well, i think that is a different context. it is the new world in which we're living. so much information is out there and

this came like i said in the wake of the abu ghraib crisis.n investigation into that as well as reviews of our detention program in afghanistan and iraq and guantÁnamo revealed widespread drop bombs, mistreatment, abuse, mismanagement etc. and the biggest single priority is that early stage was to improve the care and custody of our detainees and make sure that we minimize the likelihood of future abuse and mistreatment. let me say that is something that i think the office -- this was the pentagon wide effort. i think it was a mixed success during that period. we have a lot of lessons learned that were brought to the surface through internal pentagon reviews and external reviews working with our partners at the icrc to surface issues and working with combatant command and the military services and the various components of the pentagon. i think we did a very very strong job in bringing up the quality of detention operations and ensuring we minimize the likelihood future of abu ghraib type issues. there is one aspect of the detainee treatment i

police said it exploded close to a city mosque in abu ghraib in west baghdad. another 21 people were injured in attacks in cities across the country on tuesday killed an additional 15 people. iraq's parliament was day to hold an emergency session tuesday to address the rise in sectarian violence. but the prime minister theoryy al mall key nouri prime minister al-malaki's government protested. iran's council approved a list of candidates for the election. let's look at the main contenders to replace mahmoud ahmadinejad on june 14 and include the frontrunner and the a former gotiator and prime minister has been baqer d and mohammed galibaf, the mayor will also run. they're joined by the speaker mohsen ment and rezaei, from the revolutionary guard is on the list. two key people have been excluded, former president rafsanjani and an aide for the outgoing leader. this expert says iran's supreme leader is trying to consolidate his power base. >> rafsanjani was the president from 1989-1997 and he's held a number of very senior positions. he's one of the founders of th

background and then were handed over to the pakistanis or anybody else and also for example in abu ghraib we saw those pictures that were released and that showed torture of victims so for the afghans to the afghan government to accuse the americans of torture isn't far fetched and it's actually quite conceivable we've also heard from what were turns every turned from iraq for example or have said that they were routinely killed people so you know if you look through america's history and the history of the military it's not inconceivable that they would torture and kill people. ok i'm back in half an hour's time with more world headlines including more details on the machete attack in london for now though breaking the set of abby martin just around the corner with. well see british scientists some time to write. market why not just scan the look find out what's really happening to the global economy with mike stronger for a no holds barred look at the global financial headlines tune in to conjure reports on our. look at mission free cretaceous free look in-store charges free arrangement

background and then were handed over to the pakistanis or you will be else and also for example in abu ghraib we saw those pictures that were released and that showed torture of victims so for the afghans the afghan government accused the americans of can get torture isn't far fetched and it's actually quite conceivable we've also heard from war turns of returned from iraq for example and and have said that they were routinely killed people so you know if you look through america's history and the history of the military it's not inconceivable that they were tortured and killed people. right on back with more news in about half an hour's time though next in just a moment it's quite an interest on not seeing. me he is you. see he. says. hold it hold it hold a little. old. girl bottom look up. that speech. she told. her of her. with my little. bit mom is so good terms with. her interests. and i'm coming. out on how to run i'm a little. good afternoon and welcome to prime interest i'm perry i'm boring here in washington d.c. and here's the story that i'm keeping up with today. bubbles bubbles ev

background and then were handed over to the pakistanis or anybody else and also for example in abu ghraib we saw those pictures that were released and that showed torture of victims so for the afghans the afghan government accused the americans of torture isn't far fetched and it's actually quite conceivable we've also heard from warwick turns out returned from iraq for example and and have said that they were routinely killed people so you know if you look through america's history and the history of the military it's not inconceivable that they would torture and kill people and to pakistan to open up the r.t. world update where a rickshaw or bomb exploded near a security vehicle killed at least thirteen people including eleven security officers at least twenty others exploded oh excuse me wounded in this attack and no one took claimed responsibility though it is thought it may have been carried out by local bar lock insurgents who have long for the government for self rule because . of the huge tornado in oklahoma has ripped through nearly thirteen thousand homes and early estimates cla

background and then were handed over to the pakistanis or anybody else and also for example in abu ghraib we saw those pictures that were released and showed torture of victims so for the afghans the afghan government accused the americans of torture isn't far fetched and it's actually quite conceivable we've also heard from what worked and sort of returned from iraq for example and and have said that they were routinely killed people so you know if you look through america's history and the history of the military it's not inconceivable that they tortured and killed people. thanks so much for joining us here in r.t. today still to come for you now we're genetically modified food and your genetically modified health our special report on so-called frankenfood just a moment. paranoia and zero tolerance policies strikes yet again the latest in a string of children being punished for making gun noises or playing with toy guns involves a son of a u.s. marine who had the audacity as a child to use his imagination and p. pretended his pencil was our gun bang children imitate what they see in ev

background and then one hundred or which the pakistanis or anybody else and also for example in abu ghraib we saw those pictures that were released and showed torture of victims. when we come back u.s. reporters rise up against the washington media which under while on the syrian front president assad gets another ultimatum. speak your language because i think you might be well enough to do. programs documentaries in spanish more matches. that will turn into bangalore stories. i'll teach spanish find out more visit actuality. thanks for staying with us you're watching our team american journalists not sounding the alarm but able what they say is a washington a witch hunt to prevent sensitive information leaks and to end the lie and all other journalists themselves as well as the false news white house correspondent who was revealed to be under surveillance by the justice department was also the months long wiretapping operation against more than one hundred associated press journalists a white house is defending the method saying it was all a matter of national security my colleague and ma

background and then one hundred over to the pakistanis or anybody else and also for example in abu ghraib we saw those pictures that were released and showed torture of victims. the padding on the expecting the government to fork out millions of dollars to finance long term work on guantanamo prison even though president obama says he once the facility closed a report on that in just a few minutes. calling is revolutionizing banking and finance for a nice political protest movement take your pick there is no doubt this virtual currency is being given a careful look on the back of the global financial crisis and the stranglehold big finance has over the economy how big an alternative currency appears to face what is called the new economy. more news today violence is once again flared up. these are the images the world has been seeing from the streets of canada. the giant corporations are old today. welcome back you're watching r.t. now attention man who was being investigated over possible links to last month's boston marathon bombings has been shot dead by the f.b.i. outside his house in

goodwill less than a year later images like these that shocked the world the abuse of detainees in abu ghraib put an ugly face on this war even before these pictures came out embassy international accuse the u.s. of using cruel inhumane and degrading conditions on captured enemy combatants and as for the civilian population an estimated one point six to two million people actually fled the country and many more were displaced internally that is a trend that continues even today just over twenty percent of the fifty eight thousand refugees admitted into the u.s. in two thousand and twelve were from iraq and what about the idea of creating a country that is buy in for the iraqi people well this week ten new stations had their licenses revoked from the country the worst silencing of the press since the days of saddam hussein and when it comes to freedom to walk the streets safely fifteen people were killed today in multiple blasts an occurrence that still happens nearly near daily so today ten years to the day of this infamous speech it's important for us to put this as one entire war into conte

because they knew who we were and what we stood for i think if you look at the attitude today after abu ghraib and guantanamo and waterboarding and drone strikes would people do that now would they trust the americans are the good guys that are going to do the right thing so that having this reputation that general just described is not in the interest of the united states and particularly its military forces and you know last time you were on i asked you about you know is obama kind of opting to just kill people abroad instead of detaining them it simply go away bad press and merely weeks after that john bellinger the drone architect in the obama administration came out at a think tank where you're going to speech and said how obama is trying to avoid the bad press and that's why as as kind of this drone warfare i mean. look at him commentary is that on our policy also you had harold koh who is the state department's legal adviser for four years who was on the leading critics of president bush became a part of the administration and signed off on these procedures he's out of the administratio

we wouldn't have a piece like watergate and abu ghraib another presidential authorities. the problem is congress is proving capable for various reasons other scholars are worried about this. congress can act decisively or efficiently. they've made sense to have a powerful congress released a coequal congress 200 years ago. in the modern americans at the global economy and fast-moving technology, we need a strong impact. i don't think we need to settle that whether we should have a powerful executive or not, it's not critical to my argument even if the executive branch is not accumulated too much power, it's a mass to much power one person. thus the problem. because when one person exercises this enormous power of the modern u.s. presidency, we shouldn't be surprised in the breaks down. all of us though, we'll want to have a voice in our government, but only half the public has been meaningful input. currently we had a democratic president who represents democratic voters in 2001 to 2008 we had a republican president. so it's no wonder when you have one president from one

them to spin this as a political witch-hunt, where were they with katrina, where were they with abu ghraibh hunts? >> great point on every one. let's go to ted cruz. the freshman senator from the great state of texas. apparently now he's going to be barack obama's target and he wants to make him the, quote, face of the opposition in the country. i'll ask the question before i show the video. why are they going after ted cruz? watch this. >> ted cruz, well educated guy, another well educated right wingers like pat robertson. they flush out their higher educations when they get out of school for political purposes. >> this was not a distraction. that was ted cruz doing it. >> you have to watch this guy because there are a lot of demigods out there but not that many that's that smart. he's really, really smart so that makes him potentially dangerous. >> ted cruz violates my sense. you mention the name ted cruz to other senators, you just get titanics oceans of eye rolling. >> if there's bipartisan agreement on capitol hill, it's ted cruz is a bit of a jerk. well maybe not a bit of a jerk, he

and ultimately was sent to iraq and there he was involved with or was part of the story of the abu ghraibos. to a clip from the documentary "bidder 70" that is being released today. orpretty much every democrat progressive and utah is pretty much fed up with our congressman jim matheson who calls and seven democrats but is more conservative than most republicans. pretty much all he cares about is just protecting corporate profits. some went out of frustration, i put a help wanted ad on craigslist. must have solid moral values and the count -- it took on a life of its own. people started sending in their resumes and started going far on twitter and facebook. i pulled together these progressive groups and said, we have this opportunity to wage guerrilla campaign year and -- wage a real campaign here and do it in a way that gets people's attention and reminds us of what our role is supposed to be in a democracy that we are supposed to hire a representative who actually represents as. a >> that is tim dechristopher in the film "bidder 70." matheson is ti still there. before you went to jail y

became the resistance that was fighting for the arab honor in the period that was viewed after abu ghraib. it's tough. we don't want to remember. we forget. we don't want to think about what war meant all those years or with the continued situation of the palestinians or of lebanon be leader after all these years and continually under threat it was occupied for 20 years. we don't want to think about that. but the arab world does. it is their history out of control. and so, when iran was riding high, the arab world turned to ret. president obama has had many failures admittedly. many areas of things he tried to do, couldn't close guantanamo. said they wouldn't want to. couldn't do a number of things that they lower the profile. the very thing he gets criticized for in the republican party in here generally is the leading from behind concept that the reverend spoke of. but you know in the focus groups we did after the polling we asked them with the best thing about america was right now and they said leading from behind. they like the leader that respect and could see about in front that is

field suggesting that a sexual assault hurts the military overall in the same way that, say, abu ghraib. >> in our digital age a single image from the battle field of troops falling short of their standards can go viral and endanger our forces and undermine our efforts to achieve security and peace. like wise, those who commit sexual assault are not only committing a crime, they threaten the trust and discipline that makes our military strong. >> in an apparent reference to the recent irs scandal the president also noted that, quote, as we've seen in recent days it only takes the misconduct of a few to erode the public's trust in their institutions, unquote. there is no mistaking the calls for change in how the military handles sexual assault cases. the two responsible for preventing those attacks are under investigation for allegedly committing them. >>> the financial system fell apart after the big banks run mostly by men basically cannibalized the economy but one billionaire says the last thing wall street needs is a nurturing mother. it's already being called wall street's todd aken

on this issue but also in allegations of torture and waterboarding and what happened at abu ghraib wheresome low level people take the hit but not a full accounting of what went on and a full set of actions and responsibility. not only within the military justice system but potentially outside of it. and we've talked about that on this show previously. one of the reform is women need to be able to go to civilian courts and have their day in court and not just be subject to those commanders. >> i've made this point before. i don't understand why rape and sexual assault gets special treatment within the military but not just there, also on college campuses. we sort of ask that our young women surrender their security and their safety to college administrators and college security and we ask that they do the same thing in the military. and then we accept that the military or the college is going to adjudicate those events outside of a criminal court. i came upon a great column by adam goldstein who is an advocate for students in rape situations in the new york time. pop quiz. what major fel

. -- thosefor those you of you have been following this issue, right on the heels of the ghraib issueroom at sarahion -- television, etc. decide to establish an office to handle detainee affairs and detainee up policies. i mentioned that for two reasons. one is to emphasize the point that there was not really until 2004 an office with in the theagon, especially under undersecretary of policy with sole responsibility for detention issues, policy. heart of the reason for that was until -- part of the reason for that was until 9/11 lima was not much of detention policy. the tension policy was the . that is nottions to say that difficult policy dilemmas and did not come up in prior wars. it was mostly about lamenting the geneva convention and long-established doctrine for how you run facilities and so forth. we had a range of difficult policy issues that came up not just regard to custody but transfer of detainees and in many of our detention programs also had intelligence gathering component to them. we needed to correlate intelligence piece. there were collusion aspects to all of this.

look what happened at abu ghraib. this has been going on a long time.ow they don't have iraqi women to rape so i guess they are raping their own soldiers. host: where did you read that? caller: surely not from the mainstream media, but we know what was going on in iraq. they were raping women and children and raping people at abu ghraib. and you should know that. host: tell us where you got the information. caller: from the internet, where i get most of my information, because it does not come from the mainstream media. i'm surprised you're even talking about this. to act like you don't know about all the rape cases in iraq is astounding to me. host: i was just wondering where you got the information, for others who might be interested and to give your comments and context. nick in fairview, tennessee,. ,hi. caller: hello. we had a commander in chief by the name of bill clinton that had all kinds of sexual harassment and even rape anita broderick. so what's the big deal? they're just following the example of a little commander- in-chief. we also had the

we have seen that time and guantanamo, abu ghraib. what they believe is safe is actually causing other terrorist to attack the u.s.. that does not mean the u.s. should change its current policies, but it means these ideas that the u.s. should be abusive, violate the law or push the boundaries of law and order to protect americans, can actually produce a lot of blow back and make america less safe. host: an individual as to talk about the torture issue pitting the before the bush administration. he said president clinton started extraordinary rendition. could you talk about that? guest: extra rendition is the idea of taking an individual from one country to another country. at times, usually called rendition to justice, taking someone to be prosecuted. the bush andnder ministration was rendition 4 porker. people were taken to egypt, libya, with the intention or knowledge that they may be tortured. the u.s. government thought, perhaps coming interrogators in this country would be able to extract more information. this is incredibly dang

historically to democrats in 2007 and 2008 and the bush administration, compared them to media on abu ghraib. people will say those republicans are worried about this. benghazi, was that a success story of state department security or military rescue on that night or telling the truth afterwards. we not suppose to talk about it? i think it's ritual position -- ridiculous position to take. they'll have to make argument on public policy. it's perfectly legitimate to look at these two issues and they are larger. benghazi is emblematic of obama's foreign policy. the president seems to have had no interest in even pushing on it. afterwards he wanted to blame some video that never turned into a movie here in the u.s. rather than blame those who were responsible. on the i.r.s. again, i said earlier, it's a certain feature of the kind of big government we set up i think it's a problem. it's perfectly legitimate for members of congress for republicans and some democrats showed some concern about these things too to raise these two issues as questions both about the management by the obama administrat

we wouldn't have a piece like watergate and abu ghraib another presidential authorities. the problem is congress is proving capable for various reasons other scholars are worried about this. congress can act decisively or efficiently. they've made sense to have a powerful congress released a coequal congress 200 years ago. in the modern americans at the global economy and fast-moving technology, we need a strong impact. i don't think we need to settle that whether we should have a powerful executive or not, it's not critical to my argument even if the executive branch is not accumulated too much power, it's a mass to much power one person. thus the problem. because when one person exercises this enormous power of the modern u.s. presidency, we shouldn't be surprised in the breaks down. all of us though, we'll want to have a voice in our government, but only half the public has been meaningful input. currently we had a democratic president who represents democratic voters in 2001 to 2008 we had a republican president. so it's no wonder when you have one president from one

when we had abu ghraib and the bush administration said it was a few bad mps it was a complete systemand vice president cheney said iraq was a few dead enders, we didn't have the right strategy. i want to prove to the american people what happened in a way so we can learn from it and i don't think this is partisan or shouldn't be partisan. if it is partisan, shame on us. >> senator, i got to go and i hate doing this to you. i want your quick reaction though to the news out of the irs regarding the irs saying they made mistakes in making further scrutiny of tea party groups seeking tax-exempt status. short and sweet do you think there are politics at play? they say there were no motives, no political motives. are you satisfied with that? >> no. i don't think you accidently focus on the tea party. but it wouldn't be the first time the irs has been used for political purposes. let's get to the bottom of that, too, and see where it goes all right. you got a lot on your plate. senator lindsay graham, great to have you in. thank you so much for maybie me effort. we'll talk to you soon. >>>

if we -- if congress served its role, we wouldn't have abuses like watergate and abu ghraib and other abuses of presidential authority. the problem is congress has proved incapable for various reasons, collective action and other problems, but congress has proved incapable of fulfilling its checking and balancing role. as i said, they've transferred much of tear authority to the white house. -- their authority to the white house. now, other scholars aren't worried about this. congress, they say, look, congress can't act decisively or efficiently. it may have made sense to have a powerful congress or at least a co-equal congress 200 years ago, but in a modern american state with a global economy and a fast-moving technology we need a very strong executive. now, i don't think we need to settle that debate. whether we should have a powerful executive or not is not critical to my argument, because even if the executive branch has not accumulated too much power, it's amassed too much power for one person. that's the problem. because when one person exercises this enormous power of the mode

levels of that organization about how it was going to deal with what it found at guantanamo and abu ghraib. the discussion about the resignation of the director early on, because of the way the administration at that time was trying to politicize the fact that there were red cross visits and make it sound as though the red cross had in fact sanctioned what is going on at these facilities, when in reality the red cross evidently was appalled by what it was finding is a very interesting part of that report. >> let me say, having worked with the red cross before, as a soldier, i am sure the general knows this, too, the red cross' policy is to go to the lowest level of the chain of command and to report the infraction or infractions and see them corrected. then if they are not, to go to the next level and the next level and the next level. they want to stay within the chain of command on the ground. that is how they are so effective. when you get the director of the icrc go to see colin powell, you understand how bad it was, and i will not make any comment on that director, but the icrc caught

historically to democrats in 2007 and 2008 and the bush administration, compared them to media on abu ghraibpeople will say those republicans are worried about this. benghazi, was that a success story of state department security or military rescue on that night or telling the truth afterwards. we not suppose to talk about it? i think it's ritual position -- ridiculous position to take. they'll have to make argument on public policy. it's perfectly legitimate to look at these two issues and they are larger. benghazi is emblematic of obama's foreign policy. the president seems to have had no interest in even pushing on it. afterwards he wanted to blame some video that never turned into a movie here in the u.s. rather than blame those who were responsible. on the i.r.s. again, i said earlier, it's a certain feature of the kind of big government we set up i think it's a problem. it's perfectly legitimate for members of congress for republicans and some democrats showed some concern about these things too to raise these two issues as questions both about the management by the obama administratio

and maybe more forceful with president bush at the time about accepting your resignation after abu ghraibthat's a little bit like falling on your sword. is there a specific military or policy decision you wish you could have changed? >> sure. a personnel decision is really -- if it's a mistake, it's the mistake of the person doing the hiring, as opposed to the person coming aboard. i made a mistake by taking a former general and making him secretary of the army. if you know you need to change the culture, if you know you need to move that institution as the president said, from the end of the 21st century and into the information age, putting a person who came up through that system in charge as the civilian leadership was a mistake. i had to correct the mistake. >> some people say take the high road, it's less crowded. donald rumsfeld, good to see you, sir. >> thank you. >> thanks for coming back. the book again is called "rumsfeld's rules." >>> o.j. simpson is back again requesting a new trial in the armed robbery case that sent him to prison. will he take the stand this time? we'll tal

>> ghraib set of questions. on the first one we do not have addiction experts here. it is not that kind of panel. it is an interesting question as to why it is perceived as fairly benign. does that -- is that what the polling shows? >> the main way that we tested it was relative to alcohol and there is this perception that it is safer than alcohol, both in being less addictive and that you are not impaired in the same way when you are high from marijuana as you are when you are impaired by alcohol. people say that no one dies from being too high but you can certainly die from being too drunk. there is that, relative to alcohol. i am not a scientist and have not done the research on the addiction. my understanding is that no one is suggesting that you cannot abuse marijuana. they are suggesting that it is not the same as nicotine and narcotics. maybe someone in the audience can be more clear about it. no one is suggesting that you cannot abuse it, i think, including legal substances. make it isthat you very important, the big take away of the paper, very few people ar

>> ghraib set of questions. on the first one we do not have addiction experts here. it is not that kind of panel. it is an interesting question as to why it is perceived as fairly benign. does that -- is that what the polling shows? >> the main way that we tested it was relative to alcohol and there is this perception that it is safer than alcohol, both in being less addictive and that you are not impaired in the same way when you are high from marijuana as you are when you are impaired by alcohol. people say that no one dies from being too high but you can certainly die from being too drunk. there is that, relative to alcohol. i am not a scientist and have not done the research on the addiction. my understanding is that no one is suggesting that you cannot abuse marijuana. they are suggesting that it is not the same as nicotine and narcotics. maybe someone in the audience can be more clear about it. no one is suggesting that you cannot abuse it, i think, including legal substances. >> a point that you make it is very important, the big take away of the paper, very f