and gia rossi. i'm glad you're both here. the supreme court oral arguments are a tricky one, right? they might have preconceived motions based on the briefing. one of the big questions is going to be whether the language of the 14th amendment includes the president of the united states. when you look at this, what do you think? >> it does. unequivocally. to the justices that are original, textous, read the text. and go to article two and that describes who the president is. it sets up the executive branch. you have to read those in tandem. it's clear he is the chief executive officer of the united states. >> here's where the problem is, though. you look at -- you're looking at this. especially with the work you've done, there's been earlier versions of the 14th amendment that had the president of the united states in the language of section three. they didn't end up in the final version. the secuupreme court is going t look to see if that makes a difference. was the intenlt to be on it or not? i wonder if they say, to fail to mention him directly, is that enough to say, doesn't appl