giancarlo fiorella and graham braithwaite, thank you. they were —— it was being opened there. the government is being urged to consider restrictions on pay—as—you—go mobile phones to stop them from being used by county lines drug dealers. currently it's easy to buy a phone anonymously, without having to disclose any personal details, and the police watchdog for england and wales are warning that that's being exploited by drug dealers. county lines gangs often use phones to arrange deals with suppliers and buyers as they move drugs from larger cities to smaller towns around the country. let's speak tojennifer blake, a former gang leader and community support worker, sheldon thomas is a former gang member and founder and chief executive of gangsline and david tucker is the crime lead for college of policing. welcome all of you. first of all, david tucker, obviously the mobile phones are key in this context. how important do you think it is to crack that issue? i think it's one element. this is a very complicated crime committed by organise

live now to giancarlo fiorella from the investigative journalism website bellingcat.r your time. i know you folk at bellingcat have a lot of expertise on this kind of thing. the iranians officials are saying it is scientifically impossible what is being suggested, what do you think? i think that we have to wait for all of the evidence to come in before making such a conclusion. while the publication on bellingcat deals with the video that allegedly shows the aeroplane being struck in midair, and we were able to locate that video in a section of the vicinity of the airport, knowing the location of the airport, knowing the location of the airport, knowing the location of the aeroplane, its last known location, we were able to determine that the video was focusing on an area of the sky where we believe the aeroplane would have been, so in any direction, whether this was definitely a muscle strike or it wasn't, i think we have to wait for more evidence. if the correct procedures were being followed clearly this should have never happened. you would hope so. if this was a

well a short time ago i spoke with giancarlo fiorella, who has been investigating the situation withm website bellingcat about what we know so far. while the publication on bellingcat deals with the video that allegedly shows the aeroplane being struck in midair, and we were able to locate that video in a section of the vicinity of the airport, knowing the location of the aeroplane, its last known location, we were able to determine that the video was focusing on an area of the sky where we believe the aeroplane would have been, so in any direction, whether this was definitely a muscle strike or it wasn't, i think we have to wait for more evidence. if the correct procedures were being followed clearly this should have never happened. you would hope so. if this was a missile shootdown event, there are lots of anti—aircraft missile systems all over the world. most of the world's military have equipment deployed all over, and fortunately we don't see events like this happen too often, so again in the coming hours and days it is going to be even more vital to make sure that we have corre