needs to do it's almost bigger than life it is too rock of gibraltar it can't go bankrupt. it was almost like hearing that. you're a child in your parents that depend upon for your existence is on life support. there's no showers friday's holding to thirty degrees thirty fourth towards her. it was kind of a sad day. we were just all disbelieve in all that it actually happened. when you have when you're supposed to have some of the smartest guys in charge of things and they say bankruptcy is the way to go i guess all you have is the hope that they know what they're talking about that you emerge from that become a better company. they're the type of company that's always said all will just make what the people want. but obviously that's not what they were doing. the bankruptcy of g.m. was kind of you know it it's not really a popular thing to say around detroit but. i was actually pretty excited because i thought for once. maybe this big company had a chance to change. general motors was. still saying to you. this was this is like. where i played i remember you know playing w

warships off the streets of gibraltar were stopped. plot to blow up the empire state building and brooklyn bridge, chicago sears tower, seattle's space needle, library tower in downtown los angeles and stalin. plots to blow up gas stations in baltimore, all stopped based on interrogating and debriefing khalid shaikh mohammed. how many of these plots with you have liked to see succeed by giving up the water boarding option? how many? how many people do you want to trade so that we don't water board someone who has devoted his life to terrorism? thank you very much. [applause] >> we have a few minutes for questions. the microphone here. >> you said you have questions that going too far can be counterproductive. what are the talking heads on ms nbc interviewed several people described as interrogators who said that water boarding have a counter-productive effect of causing someone to hate america which intuitively sounded absurd to me in cases like ksm. that you could increase hatred for america in any way. would you comment upon that? i