one of the most interesting things to me is that fordis who represented gideon never talked to gideon. he didn't want to meet gideon, didn't want to talk to him. i guess for him it was an intellectual exercise and he wasn't particularly interested in the human side of it. >> he did, however, write -- clarence gideon did write quite a long letter -- >> he wrote a letter, yes. >> -- to mr. fordyce. judge boasberg, when we were talking the other day you mentioned that letter. what struck you about what clarence gideon had to relay to his lawyer? >> apparently it is a 22-page letter and it is reprinted in full in the book, and it is an incredible story to me of what it was like to be poor and living on the margins of society, now as a white man. if you were black it would have been a whole lot worse at that time, but as a poor white man, he tells his story without emotion but about growing up and in and out of jail, with gambling problem, with a long-time alcoholic problem, married three or four times, trying to hold down various jobs as a cook on a boat and running a poker game and havin

in the 1963 case gideon v. wane wright the states are to provide defense lawyers to criminal defendants who cannot afford to hire their own attorney. up next a discussion on the case from the supreme court historical society and the supreme court alumni association. delighted to welcome you to the interesting program we're having tonight. before we get too far into it, however, i must ask everybody to be sure your cell phones, tablets, whatever you are totally off. because otherwise it does interfere with the sound system. thank you for that. we're here tonight with a program we're cosponsoring with the supreme court fellows alumni association. we're delighted to be the cosponsor with them. the program was brought to us by several people from that organization. i want to be sure i get them right. stefanie newbold. matthew dechesney, and elizabeth witcook came up with the idea of the program. we're also particularly happy to have as our host this evening justice breyer who will be speaking to you in a minute. i

gideon: i think politics --dr.he point of view of financial life. policy matters. so far, there hasn't been all has been policy that an active. health care reform, tax reform, infrastructure and so forth and so on hasn't happened yet. the renegotiations of nafta begins this week. nothing has happened. what we have had so far is the distraction of political discourse and rhetoric and so forth and so on. i think that's the first thing to keep in mind. the other thing to keep in mind is if you sort of analyze these events and think back to the first gulf war, what was the issue? the issue is we are going to have a war in kuwait or iraq. when you have analyzed it, it's clear what the outcome is most likely to be and in the current and my view from the get-go, the probability that this thing would in some way simmer down rather than boil over is pretty high and i think markets have come to that judgment and came to it quite quickly when all was said and done. every week that passes where you see distractions or whatever

i think the gideon decision is incredibly important. i hope that other states can follow the lead of the district of columbia in affording indigent defendants rights at all stages of the prosecution and in other aspects as well. because it's needed to even the playing field. it's very difficult for individuals who don't have the skills or the knowledge to navigate their way through the system. so i hope that funding is made available for this very important cause. >> final thought? >> it's quite a legacy for someone who lived on the margins of society and was convicted of breaking and entering to commit petty larceny any in the bay harbor poolroom in panama city, florida. >> thank you all for coming this evening. [ applause ]. >> let me thank the panelists for an outstanding discussion of the case and all the issues that relate to it. i want to welcome everybody to our reception in the east west conference room outside. after you leave this courtroom, turn right and you'll find your way to the reception. downstairs, if you haven't had a

gideon rose? that: i'm not sure determines works with cyber. i agree it works with the nuclear rome. realm. the nuclear they had conventional deterrence even before they added the current components. they have been attacking north korea for many many years. reinforcederrent has the conventional deterrent. cyber, however, is a new area we ,re struggling to figure out how to develop deterrence in the cyber rome because we do not know -- in the cyber rome, because we do not know. are trying towe go towards to tyrants and cyber, but right now we don't know. with regards to your question of fromng deterrence attacking north korea, i don't think you need to worry about that. this is aall, difficult situation because it's not just talking about deterring the united states, right? there is a mutual aspect. situations, the nuclear issue is layered on top. it is layered on top of a complicated problem. is like china and taiwan. the u.s. basically says we know you guys have a problem. we are not going to all

stick around for our next segment, the washington journal, we will be talking with gideon rhodes. the entire next issue of foreign affairs magazine is dedicated to the issue of the trump administration and how u.s. allies are dealing with the trump administration. guest: the caller raising important point. the u.s. credibility is on the line in a number of ways. i think what is not wise about donald trump's recent statements is we are not -- we're not willing to back off some of these threats, american credibility is diminished. we do not want to provoke or create a military conflict because it would be devastating for both sides, especially for the 28,000 u.s. soldiers there and tens of millions of koreans and japanese. needs to be very judicious about what it says and when it says it and we do not want to be making military threats every day of the week as was the case last week. we don't want to be making states that suggest that statement that suggest the u.s. is thinking of launching nuclear war. i think donald trump is simply not being disciplined in his message. i think som

gideon rose, editor of "foreign affairs." senor is co-founder of the think tank the foreign policy initiative. julia yoffey is staff writer at "the atlantic." >> dan, i'll start with you. you were better plugged in to congressional republicans than almost anyone. look at all the things that have happened, and it does feel as though you are beginning to see a republican revolt. that is, senators and congressman, particularly senators, feeling they can defy trump and not pay a price. >> yeah. i mean you see it in legislation. the sanctions bill that was primarily knfocussed on russia s extraordinary. congress has passed sanction bills but they always give the press -- going back 40 years they give the president some flexibility because is he in charge of implementing foreign policy and you want to give the president flexibility to waive sanctions or pull back from the sanctions. congressional republicans said, we don't trust you, president trump, to actually make that decision to run your own foreign policy with russia. if the

lewis' book "gideon's trumpet" which everyone should read if they haven't yet.eon hand wrote a petition saying i was wrongly convicted because i didn't have a lawyer for my defense and the court overturning the previous rule said that you are entitled to court-appointed counsel. so here the aclu got interested and they brought in a lawyer called john frank who is an arizona lawyer and clerked for justice black and wrote a biography of him and was a yale law professor and a very distinguished constitutional scholar and john frank decided to bring in local counsel and a guy named john flinn could argue it very well and once we got the big guns interested. >> and he ended up not arguing the case and he popped up later in the national scene because he served in counsel for anita hill in the confirmation hearings. >> a very distinguished lawyer and miranda goes from someone who is in the bowels of the interrogation room to maricopa county and they have one of the most high-powered legal teams imaginable on the supreme court. >> warbo has been watching us and been act

gideon case, which i think you heard was collected by a prominent news person from cbs who got interested in gideon's trumpet after it was written and helped produce something for cbs reports, which was then an important documentary program and decided he would just collect what he could about the case and about gideon. and it's all down there for you to look at, as is our gift shop which will remain open for the balance of the evening. you'll find some books down there and lots of other interesting things as well. please enjoy the evening and thanks for coming. [ applause ]. >>> we take you live now to the economic policy institute in washington for a conversation just getting underway on federal regulation and gop legislation to make it more difficult for federal agencies to enact new regulations. >> -- representing millions of americans. we are joined in the belief that our country's system of regulatory safeguards should provide a stable free market that secures our way of life, paves the way for a sound economy and benefits us all. i would like to thank the economic policy institute

conf in the gideon case, says that you have to have a l court-appointed lawyer. basically the supreme court led by earl warren is using the constitution, the fourth and poe fifth amendments, to address what it sees as a problem with t police brutality in the south.i that's the background against which the case was decided. ionn >> we'll spend more time on the warren court and the makeup.ave let's tell ernesto miranda's , s story. who is he? >> you have to also look at miranda but as well at his victim. at we can talk about her shortly. miranda was a repeat criminal, . somebody who had been arrested, convicted, sentenced a number of times, a drifter who really umb didn't have established lly employment or any place to work. then, on the night in question, he at knifepoint abducted a young woman and raped her. that's the backdrop that's here. jeff is talking about the warren court revolution. the other thing going on simultaneously with miranda committing this violent crime is violent crime is skyrocketing in america in the '60s. whether it's the warren court or so

the architect was a man by the name of gideon schrock. the two previous capitol buildings that sat on the site had burned to the ground. you would think after two previous buildings burning to the ground, they would find a different location. apparently the third time was the charm, this one's been here 181 years. the legislation put together a contest to find the architect. he submitted his designs, he won and in 1827 they began construction on this building, and three years after that, in 1830 it was complete. and this particular building was the first public building in greek revival style west of the allegheny mountains. lots of greek elements throughout the building. lots of columns, ionic columns. lots of things to make you think of ancient grease. the building itself from the front is meant to look like an ancient greek temple, that's why there are no windows on the building. a lot of the elements down here are meant to make you think of the greek style of architecture. when people visit the old state capitol, this is a freestandin

in the 1963 case gideon v. wane wright the states are to provide defense lawyers to criminal defendants who cannot afford to hire their own attorney. up next a discussion on the case from the supreme court historical society and the supreme court alumni association. delighted to welcome you to the interesting program we're having tonight. before we get too far into it, however, i must ask everybody to be sure your cell phones, tablets, whatever you are totally off. because otherwise it

if one suggests, as i do, that cases like mapp, miranda and gideon attempt to address racial inequalities in the justice system because of aggressive police tactics that targeted communities of color we see president truman's appointment of clark, who is in the majority of these decisions also advance the causes of racial justice. an oft quoted legal maxim is that hard cases make bad law, meaning that a hard or extreme case is a poor basis for a general rule to cover a wider range of less extreme cases. some might argue that dollree mapp's case was a hard case that made bad law, but i would suggest the opposite. the search of mapp's person, possessions and homes was not extreme at the time but was rather a regular practice of the cleveland department's bureau of special investigations and was similar to police investigations in many major metropolitan areas which is one reason why the court's decision had an important and profound impact on police practices. mapp's personal story sets the foundation for my discussion this evening about the exclusionary rule. so the first part of my talk w

a few years earlier there was the gideon case, immortalized by book.y lewis says book ' letterendantandwrote a saying that he did not have proper defense. the aclu got interested and they brought in a lawyer called john frank who was in arizona lawyer. corporate justice black wrote a book about him. he was a constitutional scholar. frank decided to bring in local counsel, john flynn, once you get the big guns like that going , then the supreme court is interested. >> a note about john frank, he didn't end up arguing the case. he pops up later in the national scene. he served as counsel for anita hill's confirmation hearing. >> a very distinguished lawyer. miranda goes from someone in the bowels of the interrogation room in arizona to someone who has a high-powered legal team. warbo on comment from twitter. " he was a rape her and a killer. " >> the kind of question is what kind of liberty should we uphold. in fact if you go around the find today it is hard to a country that would find those inadmissible. miranda is itth goes so far -- the pendulum swing so far in the direction of pro

without calling them out my name, he blamed the united states secretary gideon welles. he believed that wells had not sent enough ships out catch raters like the florida. inrida's career ended october 1864 when it was rammed and hijacked. they were in the neutral brazilian port of -- port. the captain spotted the raider there, was anchored under the cover of darkness. he ordered them to ram the ship. when that failed, he decided they would seize the ship and tell it out of point -- port and take it all the way to hampton roads. the union crew towed the confederate vessel back to the u.s. they anchored it off of newport news, virginia. , the ship sank under mysterious circumstances on the morning of november 28, 1864. although a government investigation concluded the loss of the vessel is because of mechanical failures, specifically blaming leakage because of the ramming, most likely the crew of the uss wat chuset deliberately scuttled the ship. all, florida's objection from a neutral port had created a bit of an international dispute and the navy had been required to ap

secretary gideon welles. he believed that welles hadn't sent enough ships out to try to catch raiders like the florida. florida's career ended in october 1864. but it was rammed and hijacked. they were in the neutral brazilian port. the captain spotted the raider there who was anchored in port under the cover of darkness he ordered the ship rammed and sunk. when the ramming failed, he decided to seize the ship and tow it out of port and take it back to hamten roads. the union crews towed the confederate vessel back to the united states. they anchored it off newport news, virginia. there the ship sank under mysterious circumstances. the morning of november 28, 1864. although a u.s. government investigation concluded that the loss of the vessel was because of mechanical failures, specifically blaming leakage and pump failure because of the ramming, most likely the crew of "uss" deliberately scuttled the ship so the navy wouldn't have to be put in the awkward position of returning it to brazil. after all, florid

then, gideon rose on u.s. foreign-policy challenges facing the trump administration. later, paul brandis looks at the white house renovations underway. as always, we will take your calls. you can join in on the ♪ >> good morning, is monday, august 14. two days after a white supremacy rally in charlottesville, virginia turned violent, president trump is basing pressure to denounce the groups by name behind the march. leading republicans acknowledge the issue the friction is causing in the president's own party by urging the president to be more forceful in personally condemning white supremacist groups. does president trump need to do more when responding to what was -- what happened? have the president's comments been enough? republicans can call in at 202-748-8001, democrats 202-748-8000s, independents, 202-748-8002. you could also talked was on facebook. a very good monday morning. here are two headlines. virginia clash tests trump as the headline the -- they go with. the violence of the rally turned deadly. front page of the walls -- washington times this morning,

and in these efforts there are all cases like miranda versus arizona, gideon versus wainwright and others which capture our attention and sometimes our criticism. because in this particular case the exclusionary rule was extended to involuntary and coerced confessions. and that really put the court in a public's eye. more ever it's important to note that the criminal due process revolution occurred at the same time the court also liberalized rules governing federal writs much habeas corpus there by ensuring a study stream of appeals from state criminal defendants on federal constitutional grounds, you know, the supreme show had tackle the criminal procedural rights before, but they did so on a case by case basis examining whether someone's due process rights were violated. but with mapp, which opened the incorporation floodgates, the court started to systematically and comprehensively address criminal procedure rights for everyone. so it's this criminal due process revolution which makes map v ohio so significant. and if you realize that law enforcement's investigatory activities and the

in the 1963 case gideon versus wane right the high court ruled that states are required under the sixth amendment to provide defense lawyers to criminal defendants who cannot afford to hire their own attorneys. up next here on american history tv a discussion on the case from the supreme court historical society and the supreme court fellows alumni

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that ironically the offender who committed a charge with an offense has a right to counsel on the gideon the person who is the victim of the violence does not they have to go hire a lawyer so you've got a perverse use of the right to counsel in those cases but really. you know we're talking about one hundred fifty dollars an hour we're talking for complex law the price can be for complex corporate in organizational law it can be as much as a thousand dollars an hour or higher and i don't know of any anybody at i don't know of lawyers who can afford lawyers for their own personal he was dean of your wife of antioch law school how do you look at the state of our law schools. well. as of last year as a result of really pioneering work we did in defining. competency for graduate lawyers every law school in the country now has to provide at least six units of clinical legal education for its students now one semester doesn't really give a. competence but it means they are at least exposed to something called building a relationship of trust with a client talking to a client beginning to formu

well there was thinking gideon gono is the name of the man who was head of the country's national bank and he won the nobel prize for mathematics for doing this he wrote an entire book to explain to the people of zimbabwe and the world why he was doing this and why he thinks this is important and he said look when you have to spend large amounts of money like one hundred trillion dollars when you spend it you still have to make change and that's why you need these things if you think about that's rather unusual. right market is there some kind of prize does it not but when you put it that way certainly does. take a short break right now when we're back in couple of minutes we'll be back with marc abrahams to founder nobel prize a prize that celebrates to funny side of science to talk more about why it's important to keep a sense of humor when dealing with serious scientific matters. because as you know provision of my book on to what it. is. you know. what it was but. if it up as well i must. say what. but those were the oath they. were going to spend on one of the. the brothers one of

karen ann landers parents to two year old gideon a newborn to cuba. the will to well how daunting it compete there's an upper tier of product available which is. geared towards people that are. very explicitly wealthy it it's very easy erupted into it it's very expensive you can get so caught up in it especially at instagram. when you start looking at the perfect lives that some of these families have been. they're always so beautiful on their homes are so wonderful and have so many of the perfect baby items. as you think you need certain things like this take every parent's designed to get the best for their kids. fuel it with the classic consumer designed to keep up with the joneses. and big profits for the baby gate companies seem to be child's play. michelle flurry bbc news new york. and all that before you even think about starting the college fund. now it was on a friday afternoon in nineteen sixty four that the residents of anchorage alaska started to feel the earth sway. it was the beginning of the most powerful earthquake ever recorded in nor

namely a secretary named gideon wells and benjamin butler. wells despised old brains with a passion. here's what he wrote in his diary. quote, in this whole summer's campaign halleck originates nothing, anticipates nothing, takes no responsibility, plans nothing, suggests nothing, is good for nothing. general ben butler agrees. and his prose is similarly inventive, i think. you may know that halleck translated onto an onery -- -- on napoleon. and butler used that. he said when every true man is laboring to his utmost, when the days ought to be 40 hours long general halleck is translating french books at 9 cents a page. and sir, if you should put those 9 cents in a box and shake them up, you would form a clear idea of general halleck's soul. wow, would you love to have that said about you? and in alcohol fact he translated in the 1840s, when he was on a ship. he actually braced himself, tied himself to a bedpost so he wouldn't slip, and he was translating it that time. so who was this henry halleck then if i'm saying there's more to him than t

gideons is shoving it in motel drawers. so they'll fly to new york.what's playing at saint pat's. a good dose of the machine, he would be relating love and giving and forgiveness and christ would be confused. cause it took them through spanish harlem. and it would wonder what 40 puerto ricans, a guy had a ring that was worth eight grand. >> what about the accusations that you trample on other people's religions. >> and it has billy graham. >> at this time priest -- people are angry and now they're talking about the religion. you're playing with somebody's belief system and religion, and now you've got a problem. they've got the power to be crazy, shut him up. you've got to silence him. >> someone saw him in a club in chicago making jokes about hope. two detectives went on stage because of that remark and handcuffed him and took him away. you can't even imagine that today. >> they found it obscene. and the thing i wish they would do is tell me what words were obscene. >> in court, the cop is reciting what he thinks that my father is talking about when

gideons are shoving it in motel drawers. moses, fly to new york. what is playing at st. pat's?ll, spellman and sheen. spellman would be relating love and giving forgiveness to people and christ would be confused because their route took them through spanish harlem. and he would wonder what 40 purt rehe cans were doing living in one room. this guy had a ring on worth 8 grand. >> what about the accusations that you tramp on other people's religions? >> i discuss religions, many points of view. >> i am interested, i am searching for an answer as billy graham is. >> at this time priests and people of the cloth, you bowed to them. people get very angry because now talking about religion, belief system. you play with somebody's belief system and their religion, now you got a problem. and they got the powers that be crazy. shut him up, you've got to silence him. >> someone saw lenny bruce in a club in chicago and he was making jokes about the pope or something. and two detectives went up on stage because of that remark and handcuffed him in front of the audience and took him away. you