and some of them are groups that basically want, as governor gil gilmore pointed out, that they want to rule back through what they see as sub conventional military capability. i remember distinctly once being at a demonstration and some smart aleck there had a poster which said, a suicide bomber is a poor man's f-16. the argument he was making was, we don't have f-16s, we don't have modern technology the way we do so in order to bring you down, we're going to use this unconventional capability. so therefore, the root -- there are multiple roots. but the groups which are basically to quote unquote, level the field in their opinion. so it is in all of our interests not to let them level the field in that particular manner. lastly, as far as the the counternarrative is concerned, actually the counternarrative exists. the problem is that the 24/7 media here and elsewhere, essentially treats all stories in a certain manner. and the counternarrative is not a story. the terrorist narrative is. and so it actually gets am pli fid much more than the counternarrative does. within the islamic t