gillian keegan�*s old school, a comprehensive in knowsley called st augustine's, was nicknamed st disgustingit was shut down a couple of years after she left. like most kids at her school, gillian left at the age of 16 and went to be an apprentice at a car factory. now, that was a springboard as we'll hear for a very successful business career. she went on to be the commercial director at mastercard, chief marketing officer at a big travel firm called travelport. her boss, now, rishi sunak, says a good education is the closest thing we have to a silver bullet when it comes to making people's lives better. gillian keegan, welcome to political thinking. thank you for having me. now, just a month ago, i interviewed the new education secretary, kit malthouse, here on political thinking. and my first question was something along the lines of what's it like being the fourth education secretary in five months? you're now the fifth education secretary in six months. it's not good enough, is it? well, you can't get too much education, can you? but, i mean, clearly, as a party, we've been through, you