who is a psychology professor at boston college and an unschooling advocate, he and his colleague gina riley discovered most grown unschoolers did spend time during their high school years taking community college classes, often s getting an associates degree at the same age that there appears would be getting a high school diploma and then the evil to enroll in a four-year university grant during those credits and saving quite a bit of money so it's also optical approach for filling out with skyrocketing tuition rates at universities. >> it seems that the homeschool and the unschooled movements have grown exponentially in the last 20 years is that saying something about public education? >> homeschooling has grown tremendously over the past couple of decades. you're right. the first year the us to permanent education began acting on schoolers was 1998 e at the time they counted 850,000. that number soared to about 2 million, just under 2 million in 2016 and then over the past year of the school shutdown since the pandemic began in march 2020 we seen a tripling of the homeschooling rates fro