well, meanwhile newt gingrich writes in his gingrich 360 that there's been a dramatic shift in america's about big government that could hep us actually work towards a balanced budget. wouldn't that be a miracle. re-a minded me of strong support we receive for the american people for welfare reform in balancing the budget in 1996. we reform welfare, half the democrats voted for it because the voters back home supported it so strongly. and newt joins us now to talk about it. newt gingrich, former house speaker and fox news contributor and thank you for being here. you had trouble getting here and appreciate your effort. do you see this as one of those moments going back to when you were able with a persuasive president bill clinton to balance a budget? >> it was back on the fact we are the only time in the last 100 years and republican it is it with a democratic president and look at republican house, republican gnat, a republican president and i think, you know, this is a real historic opportunity and one big beautiful bill and moving early and by may or june at latest and you need the e

[dog barks] ♪ larry: joining he now, newt gingrich former speaker of the house. done fast, you say may or june, the whole bill, if they don't, you risk a deep recession, and a major stock market sell-off. plain and simple newt gingrich. >> well, and you almost guarantee losing the republican house next year. and ruining the last two years of president trump's term, with with what hakeem jeffries playing the nancy pelosi role, it mystifies me to how house and senate republicans can't understand, you have to plan back from victory, victory is winning, in november of 2026, that requires a strong economy. and that requires a very strong tax cut deregulation, pro energy, affordability bill, certainly no later than mayor -- june or may, i can not understand these guys, you know i lived through this reagan lost 26 seats in first off year-old e election because his tax cuts do not go into effect until 1983. i hear senators, saying oh, we'll pass the easy bill early, and get to the other bill by october, they are talking about killing the chances of keeping the house repu

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. >>-- newt gingrich on that in a moment. art laffer, steve moore will tell us why congress needs to do it make trump's tax cuts permanent. by the way. is eric adams making it in new york in we'll ask joe concha and mark simon, peter doocy is live at the white house. reporter: we're waiting to hear about whether a federal judge is going to slowdown doge's effort to get information. democrats will not be able to claim a victory. >> temporary restraining order put in place when judges look at actual facts, it is temporary, that is what they are referring to as winning, they are not winning. once they go off, judges have seen there is real fraud, we're not doing anything wrong. reporter: president trump and his team talk about waste, fraud and abuse in crosshairs of doge, democrats argue real waste fraud and abuse is by billionaires here, helping billionaires et c elsewhere. >> we're standing up against this effort. reporter: doge is getting access to the irs's integrated date retrieval system, musk needs to to understand duplic

fox news contributor and newt gingrich. newt, are you there? we're waiting on newt. while we're waiting on newt, maybe play press secretary karoline leavitt's statement on doge on america reports earlier today. want to play karoline leavitt? all right. >> elon musk is a special government employee here at the white house serving at direction of the president of the united states donald trump. elon musk s has been tasked with overseeing doge on behalf of the president and doge employees, doge folks have been on boarding at respective employees. larry: i love when she pans like that and a lot of legal backup and we found newt gingrich and former house speaker and fox news. newt, this thing is growing and this sort of pile of fraud and corruption. and specifically not on social security numbers but i don't know if you heard the riff but people over 100 -- there's some people 150 years of age who were getting social security and all this has been calculated and numbers have been reviewed and 21 million, roughly 21 million people over 100 could cause $522 billion. $522 bi

>> hello america i'm mark levin this is life liberty and evin sunday thanks for being here newt gingrich senator tom cotton before we get to them now let me tell you why i do this show. my favorite movie since i was a little guy -- is patton, and at the opening of patton george gives a speech. and something stuck in my head for all of these decades when i was a young kid all the way to now. the phrase he said was glory is fleeting. glory is fleeting you know sometimes people can be on tv or radio or other forms of entertainment and they get big heads. and they do it because they want big, big ratings, they do it because they want to be rxzed when they walk down the street i can promise you this. that's not me. i don't care about any of that. it is not the way i was brought up and not the way i roll. but i'll tell ya how i do roll. this morning i was at a favorite local diner here in florida. and i know the waitresses, and they tend to be middle age, and quite friendly with all of the folks in there when i go in. and one in particularly came up to me and said, birthright citizenship i sai

let alone before the gingrich era, right?rying to get back to thinking about the possibilities for congress is a challenge right now. certainly, that is one thing that we hear hope to provide for congress, is a sense of, just based on the history of the institutions, there are a greater range of possibilities for the way they organize themselves and function than we have seen recently. do you guys want to chime in? >> i think exactly right. we have created a system that is far too based on what the majority leader and the speaker thing, right? we have created a system that is so based on partisan cooperation, in a country that does not really effectively use or utilize partisan cooperation. we don't have parties that work with that kind of homogeneity and unity. so one of the things that has got to happen is that whenever speaker johnson or majority leader thune are going into a meeting, they are presumably speaking for their entire chamber, but i don't think anybody could speak for the republican party. that is going to be v

former house speaker newt gingrich joins us now.-- extension of trump tax cuts? >> well, no. i think in the end the tax cuts will be extended because even the democrats can't go home -- they realize if you don't extend them, you have a huge tax increase on the average family. and when that sinks in, do you really want to vote for a tax increase? if that's what you're doing if you vote no. so in the end, they're going to get this done. my worry, and i say this over and over again, they have to get it done by may or june in order to have an economy next year growing fast enough to increase the house republican majority. if they lose the house next year, and you just had a report on this, the democrats are going to go crazy with investigations, with fights over policy, with efforts to impeachment so for the trump presidency to truly succeed, one of their highest goals has to be to keep the house. in order to keep the house, they have to get a tax bill through by may or june and, frankly, my good friends in the senate just don't seem to

bondi, howard lutnick and others, will see about that, always a pleasure good to see you. >> newt gingrichhere ya headed? susan: where am i headed? am i just gonna take what the markets gives me? no. i can do some research. ya know, that's backed by j.p. morgan's leading strategists like us. when you want to invest with more confidence... the answer is j.p. morgan wealth management maria: welcome back a government agency can be completely shut down a president trump gets its way. cheryl casone with the details. >> knew this morning the staff with usa has been told overnight the agency headquarters will be closed today there to work remotely and thus are essential to be on site, this is a live shot of the building right there, in washington. elon musk did say that president trump agreed to shut it down he made on a live exit video session. watch. >> i went over it with them in detail and he agreed we should shut it down and i checked with them a few times are you sure yes, we are shutting it down. >> foxes working to confirm these reports. the grammys were last night with beyoncÉ winning a

so it was newt gingrich was in the 1990s and it was in the discussions that led to the getting rid of welfare as we know it. and he he seemed to think that instead of foster care we should be putting children back orphanages and like really punishing the parents and yeah, we should not be doing that and the part of the reason why i'm like, oh, i wish that politicians would read this book is because newt gingrich basically got that idea watching this 1930s movie, boys town, which is about a like an orphanage kind of run by catholic priests in in, i think it was in nebraska and they were they were wonderful in this movie. and mickey rooney is in it. and he really liked that movie. and he told hillary clinton, watch the movie. and so, like politicians into these stories, too. and that's what they think. things are like. and they don't they don't know the reality. they're not actually studying what's going on. and they they have they promote ridiculous like let's go back to orphanages. it was a bad idea when we were doing it in the 1800s. we shouldn't that again. so i don't know exactly w

now with more fox news contributor, former house speaker newt gingrich is with us. mr. speaker, great to great to see you. i've never seen anything like this in my life. you're the great historian. first, can you explain why would the democrats double down on hundreds, tens and tens of billions? it'll be hundreds of billions by the time it's over of reckless spending on the green new deal. woke policies, dei practices, transgenderism internationally, taking that money from the american people doubled down on men playing women's sports and doubled down on protecting people in this country illegally, many of them hardened criminals. why is that their strategy? >> well, i mean, first of all, when i watched the video you showed, i concluded that it was a real commentary on the decay of american education, that you had all these so-called leaders who are utterly, totally incapable of speaking in an understandable way. i mean, going around yelling curse words if you're an elected member of congress is just stupid. and it tells you how much our education system has decayed, th

newt gingrich and the party is driven by the extremes that come about parties. >> to his question will this was a good question if anybody was to jumping on this in terms winning over social media which is the main way that everybody's experiencing information. >> there is no media literacy of students these days do not understand the difference between getting shown up in their feed and an opinion column in the newspaper] is just all their hard they did not understand how to check the sources, social meeting of there's no editor. everything is getting through there's no time to check and see where that comes from. you know, and they see it at any of the 823 -year-old at book about i see it with virgil semi stuffed nothing as you see it and she said social media with us the answer right that is the answer i saw in social media. welp where is it from on social media cement will look well so make something site. >> let's figure out what is coming from right so we are just not doing good enough job. teaching our young people had a look of the how to figure out through all of the garbage t

they, they actually, several years ago, when gingrich was speaker and clinton was president, they tried to do away with the department of commerce and the department of education. so, this is not the first time. i have family members, many who are educators, and they all agree the federal department of education needs to go. and return it back to the states and the localities. now, it started out as a small division under health and human services or what used to be health education and welfare before they split it up. so, that is what i would do. now that, that is just one agency. but when you have 15, count them, 15 cabinet positions, each one of them must have, must have numerous, numerous agencies that are being funded by congress. when was the last time, when was the last time they cut a budget that did not dissolve or just move an agency into another department, or just rename it? when was the last time our, our senators and representatives, both chambers, have they done that? for them to say -- they are all screaming about elon musk being an unelected bureaucrat. how many of them

i mean, he and i give as much credit to newt gingrich, to be honest. and the fact that he had such a bad first midterm and the era of big government is over, and the welfare as we know it, and they balance the budget, the two of them together, they work together. i see your party screaming and yelling and acting like lunatics. and you're smarter than that because that's not you. and you're kind of spinning a little on me because you got your kicked in this election, and everyone thought you were all going to win, well, i support everything. we all support point and a half, but but all you have to do, you can go to real clear politics. it's actually a conservative leaning site and they run all the poll averages. you can look them up. you can, but it's right there. it's this is not some kind of secret thing. all if you go back and you look at polling was actually very accurate in the 2024 election. i mean, it was a certain infinite stuff that that you can get that you can get wrong, but yeah, now look again, 13 point lead in the congressional race, the d

biggest problems we've had for the 1990's, one of the other problems, and it was brought by newt gingrich when he took the voting down from five days a week to three days a week, and members of congress stopped bringing their families to washington. i used to, when my kids were growing up, i coached basketball, i coached baseball, and there was always a congressman from the democrat side and republican side sitting in the bleachers cheering for their kids. them don't do that anymore. they leave their families at home. they don't do anything to actually get to know each other. >> so what's the positive message? if you were running one right now, what is that message and how does that poll? >> the positive message is be for the things you're for and begin to rebuild trust in our institutions. don't -- and look, populism was always based on being against big, big government, big religion, big media, big business, and back in the early days, we used to always want to be against more of the bigs than the other side was against the bigs. that was the beginning of negative campaigns. but we used

larry: this is bill clinton and newt gingrich, 30 years ago. >> i think one reason they are losing theirf permanent washington. they are terrified of what will be exposed, usaid is the tip of the iceberg, a great place to start there is a lot of fraud and apuce, but tip of the iceberg we open books, this important moment for republicans to be on side of good government and be reformers, that is what 2024 cycle is about. larry: transparency, they talk about looking at the fda, federal drug administration or cdc, it least transparent operation in history in earth as we know from the tony fauci days. elon musk is not changes policy, so much as he is trying to reform and improve efficiency, it sounds like a cliche over the years that is trillions. >> this is putting meat on the bones people talk about how the administrative state has gotten out of control, this is who that means, these people are unaccount an they work in agencies you never heard of, if they issue a guidance litter, it could destroy our livelihood, look no further than osha with vaccine mandates, seeing now dollars and cents

this is bill whether i know ton and newt gingrich.id is the tip of the iceberg and there's a lot of fraud and because. it's the tip of the iceberg and this is a real important moment for 24 cycle all about disrupters vs. the establishment. larry: trans-they're talking about the cdc and least transparent operation in the history of the earth from the tony fauci days. there's a lot of stuff we don't need and elon musk, 'em not changing policy so much as he's trying to reform and improve efficiency and sounds like a cliche and talking trillions. >> right, this is putting meat on the bones talking about administrative state getting out of control. this is actually what that means. these people are unaccountable and work in agencies you've never heard of and issue a guidance letter and a rule that acts as a law and congress never passed and could destroy livelihood and take liberty. look no further with a vaccine mandate and dollars and cents attached to bureaucracy that have lost their way and going rogue and president trump we have the a

his career on capitol hill spanned over 20 five years beginning under speaker gingrich and concluding under speaker pelosi. we are thrilled you are here today. we will have a q&a session at the end. this is for you to learn about the cra process and procedures. at any time during this conversation, we encourage you to ask questions and we are glad to take them. with that, thank you for being here and i will turn it over to the moderator to start our discussion. >> thank you, and thank you everyone for being here. this is a timely issue, starting a new administration with unified government. eight years ago, in february this got going with cras. the trump and administration reversing obama era rules. hopefully the senate and the house are ready to get -- at the ground running. i guess to start with, we will go to amanda over here. what is the congressional review act, what are the relevant rules and what kind of impact can it have? >> it is so great to be back here, thank you to svetlana. ethic it is an important event to hold at this moment because i remember being in your shoes in 20

hand, since the 1972 budget act, we've been -- only once balanced the budget that was when newt gingrichsident other than that it is just never worked because we've always done either an omnibus or continuing resolution so you don't go through the process of voting on individual item that's consequence of leadership keeping too close to the vest. rachel: yeah. i guess -- i guess my last question to you jason is, when you were in congress, did you understand what this agency was doing or was it so opaque that even members of congress didn't know? >> i don't think the degree -- doge and donald trump is opened it up like we've never seen before in the way it should be. but we held hearing after hearing on the kabul bank so many there's a billion dollars that went to the bank and direct payments by the hundreds of millions that was going there. we have the inspectors general coming up, they told me behind scene they only thought that one-third of the appropriations that congress is making and putting over there actually got to the finish line. everything else was stolen. put in the cayman is

tom's career on capitol hill spanned over 25 years, beginning under speaker newt gingrich and concluding under speaker nancy pelosi. so we are all thrilled that you are here today. we will have a q&a session at the end. this session is for you for you to learn about the sierra process procedure. so we want to make sure that we answer questions you may have so any time during this conversation, we encourage you to ask any questions and we will be to take them. so with that, thank you so much for being here. and i'll turn it over to the moderator, mike ferguson, to start our discussion. thank you. thanks for svetlana. thanks, everyone for being here. this is obviously a timely issue that we're starting a new administra session with unified government. eight years ago, i think it was really in that this really got going with sierra's. i think we did about 17 of them during the trump last trump administration, reversing rules. and so hopefully the senate and the house are to hit the ground running to get rid of some of biden rules over the coming. so i guess to start with, go to amanda over

what about that newt gingrich says if you get a separate tax cuts out of the other staff you better havely fast calendar number what are you expecting the large reconciliation bill on the president's desk by memorial day in number two will you be able to follow that up with tax cuts if you do this in two different bills. >> if you get the president the money he needs to control the border into begin on his defense enhancement iron dome and things like that that's what the senate does i think we can walk and chew gum at the same time. the freedom caucus said we don't care if it's one or two bills needs to be started now we need to get the president to get if it's one or two bills we don't care i agree with the speaker we need to have this done by summer i think we can do it but if we go with one big bill what were doing is seeing roadblocks in the house, that is the problem. maria: if you go with one big bill yet people in the house that are saying i'm not going to sign that or support that because the salt increase is not in their or i'm not going to support that because you're not cutti

tom's career on capitol hill stand over 25 years beginning under speaker newt gingrich including under speaker nancy pelosi. so are thrilled that you are here today. we will have a q&a session at the end. this session is for you, for you to learn about the cra process and procedures so we wantt to make sure that we answer any questions that you may have so at any time during this conversation we encourage you ask any questions and we will be glad to take them. so with that thank you so much for being here. and i will turn it over to the moderator to the start of discussion, thank you. >> thanks, everyone, for being here. this is obviously a timely issue that we are starting a new administration with unified government 8 years ago it was in february this really got going with i cra's, we did about 17 of them during the trump -- last trump administration reversing obama rules so hopefully the senate and the house they already hit the ground run to go get rid of biden rules over the coming months. what are the relevant rules, what can kind of impact can it have. it's great to be back here

aspect of what the president is doing, which is what bill clinton did in the mid- 90s with newt gingrichhe 1994 midterm elections. i think the democrats would do far better as joe manchin has suggested, jon fetterman and seeking common ground and common sense in offering a set of alternative policies rather than taking to the streets or taking to the courts and trying to personalize this in a way that arguably is backfiring. >> where would you recommend what policies would you recommend democrats work with trump? your talk about immigration. you mentioned government efficiency you could say we are for government efficiency just like the president and then say it but us, we want to preserve these programs, something like that. >> exactly. you want to emphasize programs to preserve. a key issue the democrats have not spoken about to the best of my knowledge is inflation. the cost of living. trump said he would do something about it. the democrats have said very, very little. i think this needs to be a programmatic differentiation agreement were possible disagreements where necessary to pre

in the 90s when i covered it, rush limbaugh was on the radio, newt gingrich was the speaker.ed about physical responsibility, getting rid of abuse, waste, fraud. you know what happened? nothing. here's elon musk, a private citizen, comes in with president trump's mandate in less than 30 days, cuts $55 billion, starts showing us what government is going to look like, a smaller shrink government. it's remarkable that he was able to get it done. >> that is exactly right. i love that you bring back the great days of rush limbaugh, wonderful days. a good reminder. i don't know that it's possible to overplay stephen miller. i asked the team to pull another sound bite of him taking a host to task on the issue of doge. >> i understand that even a temporary interruption in federal employment as a crisis for um cnn. with the american people see is the government that is finally delivering a promise of accountability under president trump. he wants to have a conversation about transparency? let me ask a question: do you have any idea where the $22 billion the department of health and hu

can you see newt gingrich, former house speaker in the second row there as officials start coming in.en the two minute warning yet. up next, the new secretary of state lays out the trump agenda in central america. we will have a live report on that. first, beyond our borders tonight, police in sweden say about 10 people have been killed during a shooting at an adult education center. they say that includes the gunman, the incident occurred about 125 miles west of stockholm. sweden's prime minister says it's the worst's mass shooting in that country's history. ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy says ukraine has lost 145,000 people in the nearly three years since the invasion. 390,000 have been injured. president zelenskyy saying about 350,000 russians have been killed. up to 700,000 injured according to the ukrainians. and this is a live look at rome. one of the big stories there tonight, ferry prepares for the landmark launch of the first fully electric car in october. an electric father ferrari. 5% in revenues and core earnings this year. ferrari's much awaited ev showcased capi

until we can find a way to do what bill clinton and newt gingrich did.nd that gets our deficit down to zero. i know foreign aid small amount and i'm all for it and most of us are all for it. this seems frivolous. this is a political agenda. that is what i think that you see at the dnc. this is what they would support. >> ainsley: you hear elon musk want to wipe out some. thinks it's a good idea to wipe out. so federal agency. department of education one of those. linda mcmahon will take questions from the senators before her confirmation before she is -- for her nomination before she is confirmed. she is most likely going to focus on what shield do to help dedissolve that department. school choice and address the poor k through 12 achievement. the president said we are number 40 in the world but yet number one cost per pupil to pay for them to get an education. >> steve: indeed. that is one of the things that donald trump ran on. he said if elected i'm going to try to do my best to get rid of the department of education, send the power back to the people

maria: because newt gingrich was saying that if you don't address the tax extensions by june, you'res of getting that done. do you foresee an issue in terms of extending the tax cuts? >> no, we should be able to get them done. we should be able to get them done by the summer. there's a lot of work that started last year. all the tax pieces, whether corporate, small business, individuals, international tax, we worked on those quite a bit, starting last year. so we're ready to move on several issues, just the final negotiations in the senate and negotiateing with the house to be able to get it done. maria: and i know the border, how do you deal with the drug cartels if they're in fact running mexico as president trump just suggested? >> yeah, the northern states of mexico have the same state department designation as syria and yemen and iran. they're violent places that are not safe for any american to go, those northern states that are right along our border from california to texas. they've been run by cartels for a long time. that is an area that the mexican federallies do not go in

joining me now, former speaker of the house and fox news contributor newt gingrich. newt, during v.p. vance's comments, you could hear a pin drop, and afterwards all you could hear were tears. i know these are smart people, but they keep yes -- rejecting everything that seems obvious. >> sure. look, what you're seeing is the european version of what happened in america as trump and maga gradually had to break up the old order and the old establishment. the european if elites have controlled the continent, they basically built a huge welfare state. they opened their borders to millions of immigrants who are unasimilar -- unassimilated, don't share their values. just two days before the munich conference, you had somebody drive a vehicle and kill 2 people, wounded, i think, 36. again, nobody in europe wants -- in the elites -- want to talk about. and and i think j.d. vance's speech, plus his speech in paris earlier, those two two speeches are the most important wake-up call to europe with maybe in my lifetime. because he's just telling the truth. if you don't change, i

comes to you know the biggest problems we've had from one of the other problems, hit was by newt gingrich when he took the putting down from five days a week three days a week numbers of congress, they stopped bringing their families to washington and he's doing my kids were growing up, coached basketball and baseball there's always a congressman from the democrat side and the republican side, sitting the bleachers, cheering for their kids come they do not do that anymore, it either families they do not do anything, to actually get to know each other so what is the positive message back if you were running when right now what is that message had a simple. >> the positive messages be for the things you for and begin rebuild trust in our institutions, and look, populism is always based on being gets been a big upper limits and religion, big media and business back in the early days some abuse always want to be, against more the banks that the other side and that was the beginning of negative campaigning but we used to be able to run the campaign and running campaigns against negative campai

this refers back to the strategy of gingrich, who had one bill that cut taxes and cut spending. and ultimately, bill clinton turned around his presidency by arguing that republicans were cutting these programs that benefit the middle class to fund tax cuts for the rich. 72 million people on medicaid post the affordable care act. that includes people, a lot more people who work, people between 100 and 138% of poverty. the medicaid expansion that was approved in the aca between the coasts, especially most of those people who are who are people very low income working people. they're mostly non-college whites in these, you know, in these interior states who are republican voters. rural communities are more dependent on medicaid than urban ones because fewer people have employer provided health care and rural hospitals will struggle if the kind of cuts that are now moving down the track, based on the house budget committee vote yesterday, actually do go forward. so this is going to be, you know, don't forget on the other side, you have the freedom caucus basically saying we are not

with presidents and public officials from the other side of the aisle, like george w bush and newt gingrich worked together with arnie, but i've also in the last few years, protested states like florida, where i became the latest boogeyman on the right. conservatives were using critical race theory as an excuse to remove black history and lgbtq plus content from state schools. now, that push has been expanded at the federal level under trump. how is it impacting teachers nationwide? >> well. >> first, let me say three things. number one, what they're looking for is the money. and what they're looking to do is try to drive a acts. through opportunity. so of course it's going to affect teachers. but let me talk about the money for a second. there are 26 million kids who get direct services from title one that on monday they will get a reading specialist to help with literacy because of title one. other kinds of services as well, like computer services. there are 7.5 million kids who get things like ppe and ot because they're kids with disabilities. there's 13 million kids who get pell grants

the blue collar boom how old start right away, either newt gingrich told me if hay don't get it done,t year, okay? and destroy trump's presidency. and i don't know why they're quibbling over what i would call little -- you know what i mean. charles: so the c box part of this, i've heard for years that the cbo is ineffective -- >> ineffective and wrong. charles: right. always. and yet it feels like folks on both sides of the aisle kind of like that because if it's also easy to manipulate the cbo. >> well, i don't know that. charles: to prove a point. in terms of their estimates, hey, whatever you feed into the- >> here is what the cbo does. the cbo bias withs all of their estimates toward higher taxes and more spending. if that's the basis of the cbo so of called current services baseline. it's utter nonsense. if -- plus, they are wrong. go back, i don't care, you can go back 40 years, they are wrong. they don't understand the supply-side effects of lower marginal tax rates. not only does it produce high higher which puts off revenues, less tax avoidance which gives you more revenues,

larry: newt gingrich talked about the economic calamity and the political calamity, okay?> it is. larry: you know, 2026 could be a political calamity if they keep waiting and waiting or just don't get it done at all, steve. i mean, that's what you were going to say. please, go ahead, say it. if. >> okay. what i was going to say, to add to what a you guys were just talking about, is the congressional budget office score for the cost of the 10 is 10-year -- 10-year extension of the tax cut is $4 trillion. that's the most insane, crazy, lunatic score, and i've been doing this a long time. that isn't even close to the truth. these are the same people who seven years ago, you were there, larry, they told us it would cost $2 trillion to do the tax cut, and, in fact, the revenues have come in higher than if we hadn't done it at all. why are we living under congressional budge office which doesn't seem to know -- they have a cracked crystal ball. and you're right about this, there is no law that says the republicans have to live under this congressional budget office. larry: right

every congress, republican or democrat, from nancy pelosi, majority leader to john boehner got newt gingrich, fraud and abuse. there is a way to do this in which you are systematically looking at programs, and you're looking at departments and you're saying, oh, we got these efts that we don't need. they're not filled. there's nobody in this job right now hasn't been in this job for. >> that. >> is waste. that's waste. so let's either eliminate that position or consolidate it. that's what doge is supposed to be doing. but oh, no, folks. what? they're starting with die a very specific criteria. you either touch it directly or even indirectly, but even it gets even better. in the washington post story. >> the veterans. >> yes, yes. go there, go there. >> targeted our veterans affairs office that works to ensure all veterans receive equal access to care, and an office within health and human services that provides information about the health of minority populations. >> how so? >> veterans of dei. >> are these coders and these young people, these aides that work for elon musk? do they have to f

a playbook that had worked previously under president bill clinton and speaker of the house newt gingrich. as you probably recall, they had laid off president bill clinton, 377,000 federal employees and cuts, and were able to come to the table with the republican congress and actually create a balanced budget. and that's what we got. >> to do here is. >> try to bend. >> the curve. >> in terms of the spending that's been going on in this country. we are obviously spending more than we're taking in. we have to get on the right track. we're paying $1 trillion just on the interest alone. and that's what they're trying to do is find a waste, fraud and abuse and find efficiencies where they can be sought. >> so look. >> i'm all for tightening the belt of government. i was the first democrat in 112 years to be elected to supervise the largest town in america. and i ran on a platform of government efficiency and eliminating waste, fraud and abuse in government. but this is not the way to do it. it has to be done in compliance and in accordance with the law, and it should be done in an organized f

newt gingrich did a lot of stuff while he was in office and congress did he took credit for it.hat is all i got. host: that is jack in texas. if you want to learn more about bill clinton after he left office, he has a book about it. we aired a discussion about that book on c-span's book tv and you can find that conversation. it was a few years ago he sat down for that interview. c-span.org if you type bill clinton. you can find bill clinton and other presidents talking about their books and their memoirs. this is built in new york, democrat. good morning. caller: good morning. thanks for taking my call. i was going to go with abraham lincoln, but we know they would have had to free the slaves anyway because they would be packing up. it would be a toss between robert kennedy and lyndon b. johnson. host: john kennedy? caller: john kennedy and lyndon b. johnson. john kennedy was not able to accomplish much that he would have, but lyndon b seemed to hold it up for him. even though we know he used the n word a couple of times, it was said, and he signed the civil rights act, he decla