but ginni thomas actually believes this stuff.s opposed to a lot of republicans were just saying it. yamiche: you also had a scoop this week on the oath keepers trial. tell us about it and how all of this is somewhat connected. >> there is a woman who is the general counsel for the oath keepers. she was on the grounds of the capitol that day. she was involved with lawyers for triumph. i have been talking to her for a while. i called up andrew giuliani and it turned out that they were in communication after the election. she puts those two things together. we will find out a lot more in the upcoming trial about this connection. yamiche: the president is trying to navigate all of this. he wants the doj to remain independent. but everyone is talking about it. what are you hearing? >> i think he is very careful to get nowhere near the doj part of it. you have seen him use the january 6 hearings in his messaging. you saw him really ramp up his rhetoric about the threat to democracy. pointing to some of the evidence in t generate six he

clearance and ginni thomas?regardless of what she saw the -- doesn't ginni thomas's involvement in the trump coup attempt, no matter how allegedly minimal, mean justice clarence thomas should at least have to recuse himself from all election related cases? and at most, be impeached if he continues to refuse to do so? what credibility does justice thomas have left? >> well, i do believe he needs to recuse himself. his wife continues to spout the big lie. we know that justice thomas was the lone dissenting voice and the supreme court decision to require trump to turn over some documents to the january six committee. so, he should be recusing himself, given that very close connection. i should also say that the supreme court as a whole needs to be held to the same ethical standards as all the lower federal courts. we do have legislation, i'm a co-sponsor of legislation to do it. it's crazy that they've had some to themselves. >> it is crazy and a lot of people don't realize that. senator, you are the head of the ds

. >> i would like to thank a great woman named ginni thomas. do you know ginni thomas?s a great woman. the wife of a great man, justice clarence thomas. her courage and strength -- she still believes the 2020 election was stolen. she didn't say, oh well, i would like not to get involved. of course it was a wonderful election. it was a rigged and stolen election. she did not will thunder pressure like so many others that are weak people and stupid people. >> you bet we know ginni thomas. let us count the ways. the conservative political capitalist -- appeared on a hill on thursday. that was voluntary and not under oath -- to speak with her because of her involvement with the trump efforts to overturn the 2022 presidential election. let that sink in for a moment. the wife of a sitting supreme court justice had to be questioned by the house committee investigating the january 6th insurrection. she had to be questioned because she herself was at the stop the steal rally in washington d. c. on january the 6th. she did not continue on to the capitol that afternoon. she had al

that's why ginni thomas is in the headlines.just one of a number of people who had these views and who took part in some of these activities leading up to january six. but the problem here is that she is married to a sitting supreme court justice. the question is going to be down the road, the next time it matter and support for the supreme court related to the january six proceedings, it's clarence thomas going to recuse himself? he has already not recused himself from one of these matters, and what is going to happen the next time around? that is a real problem because the supreme court justices, it's tough to ask a supreme court justice to recuse themselves for this reason, because unlike a lower court, you cannot put in a substitute supreme court justice, so that would mean going with eight justices instead of nine, and that's a problem because you have an even number of justices. you don't have an uneven number of justices, so you would have a split. the problem here is that ginni thomas was not just writing an article or t

so i interviewed him over 24 hours, over four month period and ginni for five or six hours and they'rey ones in the film. and it's a 25-hour interview and only two hour film and my co-workers, a long time friend of the thomas' had the idea we should take some of that material and put it in the book and the book is 95% new material, but follows the same pattern of the film. it tells his life story from the beginning to the court and onto today. it's an important moment for people to understand, who he is as a person. >> what was it like to convince a supreme court justice to sit down for 24 hours. >> it's not easy. the longest interviewed granted to any filmmaker for any supreme court justice let alone an interview. i was open and honest with him. we were originally planning to do a traditional documentary, interview 50 people from all periods of his life and all points of view, but i quickly realisted that his voice would be lost. and he was the best teller of his own story. in this way he tells you what he thinks and you can accept it or reject it. i mean, this is why i think that pbs

that's why ginni thomas is in the headlines.s just one of a number of people who had these views and who took part in some of these activities leading up to january six. but the problem here is that she is married to a sitting supreme court justice. the question is going to be down the road, the next time it matter and support for the supreme court related to the january six proceedings, it's clarence thomas going to recuse himself? he has already not recused himself from one of these matters, and what is going to happen the next time around? that is a real problem because the supreme court justices, it's tough to ask a supreme court justice to recuse themselves for this reason, because unlike a lower court, you cannot put in a substitute supreme court justice, so that would mean going with eight justices instead of nine, and that's a problem because you have an even number of justices. you don't have an uneven number of justices, so you would have a split. the problem here is that ginni thomas was not just writing an article or

what his committee learned from ginni thomas. then -- >> it's not just a crisis for florida. this is an american crisis, for all of us together. >> but the share of responsibility for rebuilding means for the government of florida, the government of john fetterman and how he turned the latest doctor oz attack into a campaign slogan. >> he's kicking authority in the balls. >> lady justice author delia ruffner got a new day in the supreme court in with justice ketanji brown jackson, when all in starts now. >> good mean evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. weeks after the fbi executed that now infamous search warrant at don trump's home in florida, seeking classified documents he read from the white house, the ex president filed his first legal response in court. if you recall, it is basically an attempt to stall the fbi investigation. he asked the court to appoint a special master to sort through his baseless claims of executive privilege over the documents the fbi found at mar-a-lago. part of what was striking about that move is that trump and his lawyers went out of their

tonight, ginni thomas finally sets down with the january six committee.quarterback -- is vladimir putin planning a nuclear strike against ukraine? i will speak to -- who is pushing for tougher sanctions against russia. -- and why the american right-wing is racing to embrace literally's next prime minister and why many are not taking her seriously enough. good evening. i am mehdi hasan. donald trump held a rally in michigan and it went pretty much as you might expect. the former president -- he wanted to execute a drug

of course it was not, but ginni thomas is not the only one who shares this view.ction defeat, donald trump's lies still have a hold on gop voters. look at this. a new monmouth university poll found 61% of republicans still accept the big lie of the stolen election. joining me now, chief white house correspondent for the new york times, peter baker. his new book, the divider, trump in the white house it, is out now. also with us, former u.s. attorney and co-host of the hashtag sisters in law podcast, barbara mcquade. both barb and peter are msnbc analysts. barb, peter, thank you for joining us. we, no luck, ginni thomas is not just some random person sharing election memes on social media. she is the spouse of a supreme court justice. she played an active role in the plot to overturn president biden's election victory. peter, how did we get to the point where someone so detached from reality had that kind of access to the west wing? >> well, keep in mind, the person actually occupied the oval office was just as detached from reality, right? this isn't just somebody

we know there were massive legal strategies ginni thomas was into.nk we need to take that tactical step and look into it at that time. >> the committee itself, the 1/6 committee, is pretty annoyed at you for writing this book, and for some of your claims. the significance of a reported nine second call from the white house to an insurrectionist. committee members zoloft minh set of your claims that they did not pan out and said, i don't know what mr. riggleman is doing, really. congressman adam schiff, another committee member, said your claims is a real risk to the committee's work and credibility. what do you say to them? >> that's wrong. i would like to know which claims did not pan out. i think, a lot of that, what has to do with that is the data, when you have millions of lines of data, when you are trying to explain it in that type of time it's very difficult to get it across in a way that's understandable to everyone. the committee members have never done anything like this. i probably have more experience doing this than the entire congressio

thomas in his life. >> we interviewed ginni. she really helped tell his story but he talks about marrying her and what she means to him and he calls her a gift from godand i think they are very close . i think that the confirmation battle, contentious confirmation battle they were not married that long pull them together to have to go through something like that together. i think that that made them one as shesaid . >> he in the book addressed his first marriage and his son jamaal. >> he references it a little bit. you can see in the film, i pressed him and he did not want to speak much about it so he speaks a little about it and we tell about it but he doesn't speak much. i think as a result of that marriage they had a child and she wanted him to raise the child and he raised his son as a asingle parent with not a huge salary in the 80s, not easy thing to do is this our first book? >> my first book, i'm a film maker and i've been making films for decades and we made 14, 15 films. almost all of them broadcast nationally on pbs w

have a conversation with ginni thomas.efused to accept the legitimacy of the 2020 presidential election. why? because she did not like the outcome. that is bullying. that is being unwilling to accept an outcome because you don't like the results. >> congressman there, spitting i think straight fire about this whole situation. again, this was back in may. her testimony to the committee, thomas claimed that her husband had no knowledge of her postelection activities. i find that hard to believe, but that is what she claimed. and this might be a good time to remind our viewers that justice thomas was the lone dissent vote when the court rejected trump's efforts to block the release of a presidential record to the january 6th committee. how concerned should we be about the ethics here? >> extremely! i think the conversations about justice thomas but, it should be happening every single day, and this testimony from ginni thomas is the latest iteration of that fact. you can't tell me that there is at no point in the multiple yea

ginni thomas is susceptible to calls we've already seen.ife before. why are we shot that she's so involved in the maga death called? what is dangerous about this as she is impact the expose of a supreme court justice who has a lot of power. we haven't had a supreme court justice of patients 1804. to believe that clarence thomas is completely innocent here, that they never have a conversation about this, that's tough to swallow. so i think this is concerning. ginni thomas, not only does she continue to spout this nonsense, she is also involved heavily on the fake electorate stuff, january six. she could've criminal exposure. imagine, and the republican seem to be just fine with us. imagine if it were under obama and it was one of president obama's appointees spouses who was engaged in this type of behavior. republicans would be running around with their hair on fire. this is just part of what donald trump is doing, more the same. donald trump also won after mitch mcconnell's wife in an insane tweet over the weekend, with a ethnic slur that i

i have been railing against ginni thomas. david, and we put this into perspective.ns that the spouse of a sitting supreme court justice won in front of a congressional select committee. they were investigating the insurrection. she had the nerve to still say that she believes in the conspiracy theory. is this the perfect sign of where things are in our democracy right now? >> it is a time stamp. thank you for your kind words. i know that all of us have our hearts with the versus ponders in florida. we are still on these days. the preservation of human life and rescue. i think that the january six committee is on a bit of a raiders edgier. here's what i mean by that. ginni thomas is a player in conservative politics within the beltway. she is not known nationally. within the beltway, there are a dozen of self affirmation conservative societies. they really embarked on the early days of direct mail. they brought up his network of conservative activists around the country. ginni thomas has communications with mark meadows and other leaders of the trump administration.

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have a conversation with ginni thomas.efused to accept the legitimacy of the 2020 presidential election. why? because she did not like the outcome. that is bullying. that is being unwilling to accept an outcome because you don't like the results. >> congressman there, spitting i think straight fire about this whole situation. again, this was back in may. her testimony to the committee, thomas claimed that her husband had no knowledge of her postelection activities. i find that hard to believe, but that is what she claimed. and this might be a good time to remind our viewers that justice thomas was the lone dissent vote when the court rejected trump's efforts to block the release of a presidential record to the january 6th committee. how concerned should we be about the ethics here? >> extremely! i think the conversations about justice thomas but, it should be happening every single day, and this testimony from ginni thomas is the latest iteration of that fact. you can't tell me that there is at no point in the multiple yea

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do you know ginni thomas? she's a great woman.stice clarence thomas, for her tourage and strength. she said she still believes the 2020 election was stolen. she didn't wilt under pressure, like so many others that are weak people and stupid people. >> we have the expert on the supreme court with us and all of this. it strikes me, this just muss be a huge headache if you are chief justice john roberts and you are trying to argue that the court is not political and that the court is not aligned with any politician or political party. it's hard. >> several things happening a day before the new term is going to open, abby. you have statements like that. you have ginni thomas who still denies that the election was fair and that joe biden should be president married to a man sitting on the court, who has already been in the space of casting doubt on whether elections are free and fair. in his own opinions, he suggested there might be fraud. he thinks state legislatures might be going rogue. this idea she might be influencing him or him

i would like to thank a great woman named ginni thomas.aid that she still believes the 2020 election was stolen. she didn't say, i'd like not to get involved. >> that was donald trump last night praising ginni thomas for holding strong to her belief in the big lie, which we now know she reiterated during her interview with the january six committee this week. that's the problem here. not only because she pushed through multiple avenues adverts to overturn the 2020 election, but also, let's be honest, because of who her husband us. as michelle -- new york times, you don't have to be a left-wing anti trump minion of the deep state to think it's a bad look for american democracy to have the wife of supreme court justice implicated in a multi tentacled scheme to overturn -- ginni thomas claims her husband, clarence thomas, had no knowledge of her postelection activities, but he doesn't need to know all the details to support the big lie like she does. lest we forget justice thomas was the lone dissenting vote on the supreme court when it rejec

but we did not see that in the case of ginni thomas. it -- i think that there was a feeling that thomas, at the end of the day, was a bit of a sideshow. yes, it is extremely newsworthy, regardless of whether or not ginni thomas is the wife of supreme court justice. that about her efforts to overturn the results of the election, ranging from communicating with john eastman trump's outside personal attorney, about efforts to overturn the election. to contacting lawmakers in arizona, and wisconsin, directly, to try to get them to go along with the fake scheme of electors. but at the end of the day, i think lawmakers viewed it as a distraction from their ultimate narrative. and from the person that they believe is currently responsible for the events of january six. and the person who continues in their view, to be responsible for the continuing and ongoing threats to democracy. and that is the former president. what we saw today, was a laser focused prosecutorial roadmap. that really squarely placed the blame on trump. >> a laser focused p

if i'm questions ginni thomas, that's where i will go.uld see video of her testimony in the next hearing, whenever that gets rescheduled. >> and, obviously, the optics much this doesn't sit well with a lot of people. you have the wife of a supreme court justice, a well known conservative activist who communicated with the executive branch whether it comes to mark meadows and urging him to fight to overturn the 2020 election. are there any policies that could limit justice thomas in any cases related to potentially january 6th or the 2020 election? >> so in our system we leave that up to the individual justices. lower ranking federal judges do have policies that would require them to recuse themselves on anything where they or a close relative had a potential personal interest. those policies do not apply to the supreme court. they are sort of above the law, in a way. it's up to justice thomas. i believe, and i think a lot of other lawyers would agree, he should be recusing himself, removing himself from anything to do with january 6th giv

>> ginni thomas testifies before the january 6th committee. 37 days before the midterms. >> leader mccarthy you have members in the conference who question the 2020 election, are you worried that could limit your gains in 2020? -- your gains in november? >> our roundtable. and a look at the latest episode of "power trip." >> announcer: from abc news it's "this week," here, now, co-anchor jonathan karl. >>> good morning and welcome to "this week." as we come on the air this morning, we're tracking breaking news at home and aboard. at home, floridians are digging out from the deadliest storms to hit their state in more than 60 years and in europe, a major escalation in russia's war on ukraine. vladimir putin declaring a vast territory of ukraine is now and forever part of russia. he announced this brazen land grab in a speech that suggested russia is now engaged in a global war against the west, and that he may use nuclear weapons. >>> but we begin with the aftermath of hurricane ian, which has now killed at least 72 people across the state of florida, including 35 in lee county, the epicente

did ginni had different ideas about what american neutrality should be? so he disregarded the proclamation but he did eventually make his way to philadelphia, although he took his sweet and enjoyed a lot of parties along the way. got to philadelphia, presented himself, and then set up a factory. a french privateer in the port of philadelphia. and the problem was his privateers were really, really good. so would go out, capture british ships and drag them back into the port of philadelphia at the port of philadelphia was six blocks from washington's house. it was also just a few blocks. the british minister's house. so you can imagine how well that behavior went over there when he was literally dragging british ships into the port and then renaming them things like citizen ginni. it's a little bit of an insult to both the british minister and to proclamation in august to washington convened a few cabinet meetings and he basically said, do we do? he will not listen to reason, he will not listen to us. he will not stop. and the cabinet ultimately decided to

ever since ginni thomas got linked to the fake electors, they have been quiet about it. ginni thomas, rudy giuliani, they lead that. where is the hearing on the fake electors? thank you. host: before you go, what do you think about the timing of this, coming just a few weeks before the 2022 midterm elections? i think we lost tom. bud, west virginia, republican. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. first thing, we need to look at the whole picture. the first thing that we need to look at is that the capitol police's first line of duty when the capitol is being attacked is to use deadly force. ok, excuse me. but anyway, the security of the capitol was in the hands of nancy pelosi and the mayor, not the president, at that time. i believe it was all set up through the democrats to make it look bad for trump. if you look at some of the videos, the doors was open for some of the protesters. host: did you watch the videos yesterday? what did you think of those efforts by congressional leaders to try to get additional military and police to the capit

we know that the january 6th committee did interview ginni thomas, and that was important.and less on this issue of possible conflicts of interest at the supreme court. the house judiciary committee has looked into that issue more broadly about the need for a binding code of conduct for the supreme court and some members have talked about justice thomas' conduct. it's not that there has been nothing, but there hasn't yet been a full-scale investigation into this. and we think that it's time for that to happen. >> harry, the conservative justices on the united states supreme court believe that there is a crisis in terms of a lack of public trust in the supreme court. just ask them. they give speeches about it all the time. what should the response be to noah's call for more transparency? >> as for the justices, the right response, and it's overdue is a code of conduct. i think at the root of some of the distrust, because thomas can say with some legitimacy look, i don't talk to my wife unless you can show other weiss and not fair to make me recuse because of that, and people

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now katie, what have you heard from the justice department about ginni thomas's testimony.his is not under their investigation but we know that they're closely watching what the committee is doing. >> that department is closely watching what the committee is doing however because that committee interview ginni thomas and i'm in the justice department will follow suit. what's interesting is that ginni thomas told congress that she believes the election was stolen. so therefore believes that what she did was completely in the right. she does not see her behavior wasn't anyway wrong given the fact that again she believes the election was stolen. i don't know how strong a witness that would make or for the justice department if they were investigating whether or not that was wrongdoing. because her intent was to in her view, uphold what she thought was the right thing to do. however, she is for congress a really interesting witness. one because she was at the center of some different conversations between people who are planning the rally, as well as chief of staff mark meadows

emails have also been revealed of ginny thomas, communicating with state officials, for example, about overturning the election. particular state. we could see more of that. meanwhile new developments overnight in the investigation into classified documents found at trump's moral lago resort, according to the new york times security camera footage obtained by investigators shows a long serving aid to trump moving boxes out of a storage room before and after trump received a subpoena for the documents. the washington post reports. it was trump who told a staffer to move the boxes to his residence . abc news has not independently confirmed the reporting, and it's unclear if the employee in the times report is the same employee. trump reportedly directed to move the boxes. in a statement to the washington post, a spokesperson for trump did not address the allegations directly, but accused the justice department of quote, dangerous political interference . brianna thank you and a programming note. abc news will bring you live coverage of today's january 6th hearing, beginning at one p.m. e

she wasn't videotaped but testimony from ginni thomas and the roger stone documentary.put all of this into focus? >> reporter: we know that this is a committee that likes to weave a narrative. each member that's part of the panel is going to be the leader of a certain section of this roughly two-hour hearing we are expecting tomorrow. you are right that it's likely the last investigative hearing. we think they are likely to come back after election day to present their final report, the culmination of the investigative work they have done over the course of the last year plus. but this hearing does provide them a moment to reset the narrative, but also introduce some new information that they have since gotten. the reporting from our colleague julia ainsley, for example, shows they have gotten cooperation from the secret service. maybe not in the way they initially wanted, the key text messages from specific agents on january 5 and 6. but more information around january 6 and the lead-up to it from the view of secret service that can allow them to paint a picture of wha

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and the ginni thomas information could be interesting. where she has a bizarre belief that donald trump won the election, and i don't think that gets you far in preventing that to the american people, but if you can show what she was communicating and advancing the scheme, then i think that could be powerful testimony. >> i want to read from your report from politico, and let me read you this. one e-mail between two of trump's lawyers a week before the january 6th attack saying this, a shame you are not in d.c. and could contribute to violation of the emoluments clause. what do you make of this, barb? >> i think there's two ways to look at these. one is the superficial lawyer where trump lawyers were laughing at the role he played in, you know, violating emoluments clauses and other kinds of aspects of the constitution, but i think the more important takeaway here is this demonstrates there are more e-mails that have not been received by the committee, so what is it that john eastman held back? he held these back, and what else did he hol

. >> jill, ginni thomas, the wife of justice clarence thomas, apparently total 16 committee that shes the 2020 election was stolen. what do her actions tell us about the power of donald trump 's big lie? >> it tells us what we already know. it is powerful, and that there are at least 29% of americans who actually believe his lie despite the absence of one shred of evidence. you would expect that someone who is in the position that ginni thomas's, who is educated the way she is, would be able to understand the importance of facts, the importance of evidence, and would have already come to the conclusion that there is no support. she of all people should be able to see that more than 60 courts have turned out this accusation that there was any fraud involved. that should have influenced her. of course, it raises the very significant issue of what should justice thomas be doing. he is a lone dissent in a case that involved the documents, and he should not be deciding any cases. her position, her contact with the white house, her contact with legislators in arizona should bar him from ma

feel the difference with downy. >> i would like to thank a great woman named ginni thomas.tion was stolen. she didn't say, oh well i don't want to get involved. >> so, that was the former president. thanking ginni thomas, wife of supreme court justice clarence time is at his rally last night. but only after she appeared before the january six committee this week and repeated election lies once again. she's not the only one doing so. in fact there's 17 candidates across this country, running for positions that had elections that denied the 2020 -- that monitors that voting rights around the country. but summarizations are fighting back. and citizens united, and say fixable and fair elections announcing a seven figure -- michigan and nevada. the president tiffany mueller says this, secretary of state's are supposed to ensure safe and accessible elections. but instead we have extreme maga candidates on the ballot focused on culture wars, rigging elections for their political allies, and radical attacks on our freedoms like ending women's right to make their own health care dec

perhaps no single person better represents the -- ginni thomas.ls said that there are historically low views of the court, with, a poll from gallup, just 40%. as the spouse of via -- about her role in trying to overturn a free and fair election. one case in election is getting a lot of attention, and it shed. some people have been sounding the alarm of more versus harper for months now, they believe it could be a very real threat to our democracy. cases all about who has final say in election related issues. one person who's been focused on it from months is ian middle house. arceneaux correspondent for fox news reports on the supreme court. thanks for joining me on the eve of a new term, because we tomorrow. ian, you and i met on our show a few months ago. we talked about more. you emphasize the importance of this case. let's start with the basics, if you don't mind. can you quickly lay out for our viewers, what more versus harper is all about, and why it's so important to the future of democracy. >> sure. most states, their governments look a lo

and the former president praising ginni thomas and promoting the big election lie adorably last night in michigan. he's got his faithful singing from the same song sheet. >> -- donald trump's that were at mar-a-lago. do you think they were planted? >> i believe so, the way they're out to get him. >> our friends are good liars join us ahead this hour with their unique approach to finding out what the -- really believe. wait until you hear what one woman says, is coming this halloween. let's head back to florida everybody, the death toll from the hurricane continues to climb. 85 people now pronounced ed, have been confirmed all but for those in the state of florida. the president announcing today that he will travel to the state on wednesday after his trip to puerto rico. were 25 people were killed after hurricane fiona. efforts remain underway to help residents of florida's pine island, who were left stranded after the only bridge that was critically damaged collapsed. and bc's liz mclaughlin is in fort myers beach covering this. les, great to talk to you once again. folks now beginnin

i want to talk a little bit about ginni thomas, if we can, and some of her testimony.benny thompson essentially saying that they will only use her testimony -- i think they said it is something of merit. what are we learning of our testimony, other than the headline, which is, of course, she still believes the 2020 election was stolen. >> yeah, look, the january 6th committee came out in that interview with ginni thomas, they really -- i don't think we saw anything new about her role in the efforts to kind of obstruct the certification on january 6th. whether she had been talking about efforts to overturn the election with her husband. i gather that some of the responses were not as illuminating as the committee had hoped. so i think the committee is at a junction here isn't it. how much do they want to go after a wife of supreme court justice, especially when it is so politically charged. when she doesn't seem to have played such a large role in the narrative leading up to january 6th. i think it is more likely that at the upcoming hearing the committee focuses on lik

>> it remains to be seen exactly how they will deploy ginni thomas' testimony.nterview, the committee that weren't recorded, you'll have a staff member or committee attorney reading out part of the interview. at the same time, committee members that i talked to didn't really seem to think that they actually gathered that many new gleans or information from ginni thomas. the chairman told us recently that what she told them was fairly typical of what a lot of people who came to the capitol on january 6th or involved in denialism on january 6th thought. that being that they thought there were issues with the election and that motivated them in some ways to join in something else. as we saw that she did in trying to message officials to try to contest the election results. >> so all of this, obviously, could be an important motivator in getting democrats to the polls. we have seen polls that show that there is a lot of concern that they see trump republicans as a threat to a whole range of their rights. you wrote earlier this week about showing up in ads, and that

we have had so many questions about the documentary that follows roger stone, ginni thomas, the wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas. what do you think could be news we hear later today? guest: the committee said yesterday, and in my reporting over the previous weeks, they want to step back and take a wider look at threats to democracy as a whole in today's hearing. they want to chart how a lot of the ideas and strategies about overturning the 2020 election started in election day, 2020 20, then, progress through january 6 and continues now past january 6. in order to illustrate that, they want to use several different pieces of evidence. they will rely on six to eight minutes of documentary film evidence shot by a danish film crew that followed roger stone in the days and weeks leading up to election day and around january 6. they want to bring in people like michael flynn, trumps former national security advisor that was involved in this contentious 18th of december 2020 meeting where the participants were talking about seizing voting machines. they also want to focus on p

but what chairman thompson has said, we could likely see ginni thomas as well as documentary footage,the last hearing before election day, so the indelible image for voters and likely going forward, the last investigative hearing, the fact finding, the presenting from the committee, before they release their final report which is really the culmination of all of this work. >> thank you. >>> to the january 6th criminal trial, that is happening right now in washington, and a former oath keeper just finishing testifying, talking about the inner workings of the far right militia group, pulling back the curt therein, talking about potential connections to former staff members around former president trump. earlier today, this witness, john zimmerman, told the jury that the founder of the oath keepers, remember, one of defendants charged with seditious conspiracy, that really serious charge, claimed to have spoke within the secret service agent, a secret service agent before the rally with president trump in 2020. ken dilanian has more and talk about the take-aways and more on the secret se

and they interviewed ginni thomas, wife of clarence thomas. >> we have significant information that we have not shown to the public that's available to us. >> reporter: members hinting it could highlight the role of roger stone. >> what they are assuming is the election will be normal. it will not be normal. >> reporter: ties between violent extremist groups and trump's circle. >> the mob was led by some extremist groups. they plotted in advance what they were going to do. those individuals were known to people in the trump orbit. >> reporter: the committee reconvening in public for the first time since the fbi searched trump's mar-a-lago es estate. with midterms less than a month away, a key focus is trump's efforts -- >> i ran twice. i won twice. >> reporter: to spread the falsehood the election was stolen and ensure election deniers take office. >> we have a better handle on the continuing clear and present danger that confronts the people of america. >> reporter: the committee has an opportunity to make a lot of statements. they have to release the final report. members are working

i really can't wait to talk to about ginni thomas. she claims her efforts to over come the election never came up in conversation with her husband. let me be the first to say, you don't believe you. who believes that they were talking about. this what is your take? >> extremely hard to believe, tiffany, particularly when she was texting mark meadows in the context of urging him to contest in overturn the results of the presidential election, and this very tax, she was talking about the conversations i'm having with my quote best friend, reporting that is determined to describe her husband supreme court justice clarence thomas. do any of us believe that she was not involved in conversations with her best friend, her husband, about our efforts to overturn the election, very hard to believe as their objective proof that can be introduced to the january six committee that she was lying about that? maybe, maybe not. what i will say tiffany, there is proof that i think puts the lie to her statements to the j six committee about her claim th

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