and that's inspiring to all of us. >> what's the role of ginni thomas in his life?nterviewed ginni, much less time than justice thomas and she helps tell his story. but he talks about mayoring her and what she means to him and he calls her a gift from god and i think they're very close. and i think that the confirmation battle, the contentious confirmation battles, they were not married that long, pulled them together to have to go through something like that together. and i think that that has made them one, as she says. >> michael pack, the theme in the book address his first marriage to kathy and his son? >> a little bit. i think you can see in the film, we don't put it too much in the book and i pressed him and he did not want to speak much about it. so he speaks a little about it and we tell about it. but he doesn't speak much. i think it's interesting that as a result of that marriage they had a child, a son and she wanted him to raise the child and he raised his son as a single person with not a huge salary in washington in the '80s. a very tough thing to do.

>> right, that's what i'm alluding to, we know that eastman was corresponding with ginni thomas, we know time, eastman was telling associates that there had been a big battle inside the supreme court over these election-related cases, if there was such a battle that wasn't evident in any of the orders or directives that supreme court issued, so that information is coming from somewhere, and if that was all part of the mix at the time they were exchanging the emails that we released today, that are roughly on new years eve 2020, then, you know, that might be fodder for investigators in the house to try to figure out whether eastman, you know had, some kind of improper access to information, be it through ginni thomas or perhaps through some other source. >> thank you very much. >>> and federal authorities are now talking about an arrest connected to a massive catalytic converter theft ring this. might be happening in your neighborhood. it is happening all over the country. it involves stolen parts, and agents have searched a home in new jersey, allegedly owned by the head of an auto parts

. >> host: what is the role of ginny thomas in his life? >> less time than justice thomas, she helped tell his story but he talks about mayor being her and what she means to him and called her a gift from god and i think they are very close. the confirmation battle, they were not married that long, holds them together to go through something like that to gather and that made it what you might say. >> host: a teen in the book addressed his first marriage to kathy and john mall. >> guest: i pressed him and he did not want to speak about it. we tell about it. he doesn't speak much and it is interesting as a result of their marriage they had a child and she wanted him to raise a child, as a single person, not a huge salary, a very tough thing to do. >> host: is this your first book? >> guest: i am a filmmaker and making films for decades. we made 14, fifteen films. they were broadcast nationally on pbs, this is the first one we've chosen to turn into a film. my co-author was the originator of that idea. but i have to say if something is satisfy

. >> what is the role of ginny thomas? >> meet interviewed her sheet really help tell his story.e met her and married her in what she means to him. he calls her a gift from god. and i think they are very close. confirmation battle theon pretentious confirmation battle they were not married that long, pulled them together to have to go through something like that together. i think that made them one as she said. >> is he in the book address is first married and his son jamaal? >> its reference a little bit printing the seat and the film wouldn't put so much in the book. he did not want to speak much about it. we tell about it but he doesn't speak much. i think it's interesting as a result of that marriage they had a child and she wanted him to raise the child. he raised his son as a single person with not a huge salary in washington in the 80s which was a very tough thing to do. >> is this your first book? >> is my first book i'm really a filmmaker. i've been making films forr decades. we have made made over 14 or 15 films, almost all of them have been broadcast nationally on pbs

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he should recuse because of ginni thomas's involvement, but he's not a bad guy in these emails. they're not singling things out -- every supreme court justice is assigned a geographical circuit that they are in charge of. the 11th circuit, including georgia, that is clarence thomas's territory. let's get that, number one. number two, lawyers all day long talk about judges and justices, that one is really good for us, we will lose if we get her, we will win if we get him. i hope we get these, to not that one. that is what they're doing here, the bad guys here are the lawyers. because what they're doing is taking a theory that they know is completely bogus and saying, we got lucky if clarence thomas puts a hold on this, just a procedural hold, then we will argue that that is something and that should hold of the january 6th count. >> let me read more of the emails that have just been released courtesy of the january six committee. okay, this is again an email from the trump attorney, kenneth -- it is december 31st. if we can just get this case pending before the supreme court by j

is ginni thomas's phone number in kelli ward's contacts?nyone address a perception crisis at the supreme court involving clarence and ginni thomas? >> anyone can, but the only person who can do it effectively is justice thomas. they happen to have this rule that says each justice determines for himself or herself. and so you know, it's beating a dead horse as far as thomas is concerned. it may not be like that in the future, but for now it's up to an individual justice. and i think the calls for him to do it only make him dig his heels in deeper. >> i want to come back to you, harry, on the "washington post" reporting about trump's motives in the classified documents. but i've got to come to you, charlie, on the supreme court factor. the first exit polls that i saw on election night were about 60% of everyone who voted voting against the supreme court. the shift in the supreme court as a political issue is the most seismic and underreported result i think from tuesday night. and that is that the supreme court in republican politics for 30 y

. >> ginni thomas, yeah, i think he explicitly name the three cases he said that are on the table aregefell, which is marriage equality, lawrence v. texas, which is the same sex intimacy, the anti sodomy law in texas, and griswold, which is contraception, the right to use contraception in your marriage. he didn't mean loving. well, brett kavanaugh like rings's hand it is concurrence is, like, oh, nobody worry, nobody is coming for marriage equality, nobody is coming to reinstate the texas anti saudi laws. and of course -- >> well, -- is important. i remember him saying that in his hearings. >> i think the tell is when they say we're not coming for the next, thing you should know that they're coming. for it >> that's chilling. so, what is your conclusion about where we are with the supreme court is now? >> well, i think it's an illegitimate court. i was there when they didn't take up merrick garland. and they didn't take him up, they said, oh, it's an election year. and he said it was a new precedent, and it wasn't. and that never happened before. and four years later, when we had cone

is now like to deal with it because i leave at the dealer to come by to but the, but i, you know, ginnie's eyes can a dear participant column, which is right now we should just know what you said. woocommerce t v d as a general is ration. but the muzzle for a part time will you will put a, b, c, doom served up with sort of the silica or discovery to border on the toyota, no wish importer. yep. i'm usually also dealing a store. as a w, a protocol that they do because also to check, make sure got the renewable political in the eventually shortly. no garcia is coach them more than a macro. was what the deal is. i look on seeing you that you what you thought, the cd new the only the supposed look like. punishable a bit of shame with the least of which go on. you don't watch all you go to the hollow with the ph book, anybody else's line you up on your, the official as you get. all of those are going like you put them, your puny. we have all of this is on your policy of like you, okay. well, this is so low, she was real process shields at the most vulnerable crim antennae. even any use to shoes

ginny, he's asking for his workers to sign up for hardcore working culture and this is a man who used hours a week which is hard—core for most of us. this worked under 20 hours a week which is hard-core for most of us.- is hard-core for most of us. this is a man with — is hard-core for most of us. this is a man with multiple _ is hard-core for most of us. this is a man with multiple wives - is hard-core for most of us. this is a man with multiple wives and - a man with multiple wives and bringing up his children and staff, what is effectively saying is that you have to work a0 plus hours a week and that he doesn't want employees with caring responsibilities and if he does, he wants people who have spouses that will do all the care and responsibilities and we once working with them and it's basically with. has a itemized like that? he wants --eole has a itemized like that? he wants peeple who — has a itemized like that? he wants peeple who are _ has a itemized like that? he wants people who are prepared _ has a itemized like that? he wants people who are prepared to - has a itemized li

is now like the deal with it because ali kirk at the dealership by to what the but i, you know, ginnie's eyes can so lip up the top to bottom there. a dear participant column whisk is right, which is just what you see woocommerce today. a cigarette is ration, but the you on the muzzle for our part when we opened a, b. c. a dim, served up with that. so grizzlies will is going to border on the toyota though. wish him because he up on usually also dealing a store ticket as a w, a protocol that they do because also to check mitchell got to run your bully kid in the library shortly. no, all of you is quit. you didn't. what on the macro was what the deal? it's just it's elegance in your that your ticket on the cd. you the only the supposed look like punishable shame, italy scrub which go on. you don't watch all you go to the hollow. will the appeal is, can you put it ellison when you're punished, the official has to do? all of those are going to put on your p. c. we have all of this is on your policy of like you more chris wallace is so low. she was robust, that shields at the thought a lot, v

because we know his wife, ginni thomas, was neck-deep in election denial. i mean, we have our text to mark meadows, the former chief of staff. we know she was talking to people in the states who were driving this canard. but, but if you were any other judge, he would be forced to recuse under federal law it. and the supreme court is totally up to him. >> at the end of the day, regardless of -- the thing about living in america, is ginni thomas -- whatever conspiracy theorist views she may hold, the problem is it is bad for the supreme court. how the public sees the supreme court is affected by that relationship there. so, regardless of the merits of what she believes or what she has done, this is bad for the court. and look, when your husband's supreme court justice, you really wish some of that right. or, look, you have the right to do whatever you, want that's gonna have some blow back on this. job and just bad for the court and bad for the rules. >> what could be very bad two is your's estimate of the order the most recognizable people, justin bieber, at

look, it was well known that ginni thomas was a right-wing activist.ore information? did they know that ginni thomas was part of this plan? she communicated with mark meadows. so did eastman. had meadows said something? that's what we don't know. but now that these emails are out, that part of the investigation is going to continue with some intensity, erin. >> of course we should note eastman at one point had clerked for thomas. i appreciate your time. >>> and, next, power moves. the head of the russian private army and close putin ally is looking to capitalize on russia's losses in ukrainian. we're going to tell you exactly what yevgeny prigozhin is doing tonight. >>> and the parkland school shooter facing the bereaved families of the victims one last time. >> you shouldn't be sitting there with a mask on your face. it's disrespectful. vo: the next time you fill up the tank, remember why it costs so much. because the biggest oil companies decided they need to profit even more. they make record profits.. even as americanstruggle to pay the bills. call

ginnie cooper was a chief librarian at the point for d.c. public library, , and as you travel around d.c., this week and however long you are here, ginny was instrumental in getting all of the new libraries built. and that she was working with the developers and the contractors, et cetera, down to the painters and the paint colors it was going to be, i had the opportunity to more run the library as an institution. and it was wonderful. one of the things we did while i was there was to create a whole cadre of employees and we are presenting this concept to the board of trustees, and i was going on about a wonderful they're going to be when we hired all of the students, and one of the board members said what are you going to call them? it was like, teams of distinction. and we made their badges that they were teens of distinction and the kid stood up taller when they did that. the very first meeting of the teenagers when they were hired was i when he to talk to them and they just sat in their seats, et cetera, and i said now i have two instruc

we talked about justice thomas and his wife ginni, linked to numerous efforts in washington and beyondion results. joining me now, michelle goodwin. chancellors professor of law at the university of california irving. she's host of on the issues podcast and the author of policing the womb, invisible women and the criminalization of motherhood. michelle, the new york times writes, quote, mr. shank said he learned about the hobby lobby opinion because he had worked for years to exploit the courts permeability. he gained access through faith, through favor, gatekeepers and through wealthy donors to his organization. abortion opponents who he called stealth missionaries. look, there is the lead. let's put that aside. let's talk about the broader implications of the leak. if it is true, what does it say about the integrity of the court. >> well, i think it reaffirms what you have mentioned in your opening here. it is that americans have lost confidence for reasons that would be credible. it's worth noting that this hobby lobby decision was really the precursor to dobbs. myself and others wh

one piece of these, wife of supreme court justice clarence ch ginni thomas. chad: conservatives have explicitly said we, conservatives, need to take over schools. >> i believe the crowd said virginia thomas donated. liz: although the donation did not go directly to him, it did go to one of the two other candidates he is running with, and he also has ties to prominent conservatives, including two venture capitalists peter teal and david sachs, who helped with the district attorney recalls. he also served on president trump of the transition team, but he does not say he is politically motivated. >> i am not a republican. i identify as conservative. liz: he says he never volunteered with donald trump. >> my main priority is improving the academic performance of the schools, into a large degree, the current board is focused on things other than academics. liz: chad believes he is hiding his real agenda, pointing to focusing on academic excellence over ideology. chad: what that says to me is they believe we are focusing too much on diversity education and too much

i'm going to talk about a home, any of her emotional or motor principal, or both of the way me know, ginny are good. we work with a pretty sure mm. the shelling of goals go on july. the 27th 2014 was the 1st page in pablo. civil war chronicle on that day ukrainian armed forces, 5 dozens of grad missiles at the city, killing 22 people, and injuring 43. a properly sent a record of the pam off to me authority. she didn't publish get that ago. why did them cookie meta, usually male: we traded e $4000.00. 02. gina was cute ah, the application you born in their store. so i was, was not sure that up on will 6 up on a fear to potosi. you have to find me to yet kitchen from that bowman's problem made the firm decision to film as many victims of the ukrainian regimes. crimes is possible. a yeah, pretty merged or it of a few weeks when you just push it out. but i lucian, float, shape officially glued at them as a muzzle. a t is billy car from an auction block cooker that because it was a william wanna know, yes. oh, that's just the moly east that also shoot the cook from. pick up new cars that are su

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i love how to, who to go, and i'm always happy to get an extra chilly oil or flakes with my meal. ginny, like you said, it's addictive sort of, i found that out to, you know, and so, i mean, what level would you recommend for me? it's very imperative when i've seen it. buddhism, i'd say start with 5 monopoly, right? you can always add to it above in at all. once you've got it in your mouth, that's it. then it hits you as it is to start slowly and add more space if it's too mild an event, it's america. we are not one. okay, okay, i'll give it a try my own. enjoy. hello hi. i'll take if he can sausage with sauce number 5 for food. yeah. humming up. yeah. i, i can't go wrong with mediums vice can i? but maybe i'll risk a bit more of the food that i've got. number 5 on it. and separately, i've given you some of the eights on the 7th. okay. i am a little afraid. ah no. mm hm. this is number 5 is our ride. so i think i'll continue with 7 and 8. ah. it's getting warmer and that's a good thing in winter and now number 8. 0, good. well, i'm enjoying it, but at the same time it's kind of painful.

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thomas's wife ginni was interviewed by the committee back in september vertex to trump aides about overturning the election, getting cold out there and families may have to shell out hundreds of extra dollars this winter because of higher energy costs. according to reports, prices haven't been this high. >> in more than 15 years, the biden administration said it is adding 4 and a half billion dollars to an energy assistance program for low-income families and an additional 9 billion dollars to a new rebate program for energy efficient upgrades. but some people are concerned those steps will not help everyone who's going to struggle this winter. >> energy is just becoming unaffordable. the united states and these funds are step in the right direction. but it's not going to be enough. >> the national energy assistance directors association is asking congress to add another 4 billion dollars to the energy assistance program to apply for some of that assistance. you can head to our website kron 4 dot com. we said it's getting cold and we're not kidding. here's a live look in san francisco. that's

ginny's husband is a cancer survivor and lost his nose to this disease i had a tumor in my sinus cavity and if i didn't remove it it would have spread up so the doctors had to remove my entire nose to make sure they removed the tumor but i think we will fix that this weekend when i get out of here i'll smile robert's main task is to create an individual and realistic protest, so accessories are an important part of his work the color of the prosthesis must perfectly match the patient's skin tone barrom says he learned his rimusl from of hollywood makeup artist john chambers who in 1968 worked on the movie planet of the apes and occasionally worked for the cia with realism is the perfect technique to make something look like the way it should look ear eye nose mid face whole face grain tool face tofu face baron mentions that at some point, ambers invited him to work in hollywood, but he refused. he says that his main source of happiness and inspiration are real patients who need him much more than hollywood actors. bafrejan voice of america, we will say goodbye on this. thank you for bei

this is writing connecting the loop of at least perceived corruption at the supreme court, that ginnilot was perhaps the link to her husband. this at least requires some perception laundering to be done by the united states supreme court. no? >> yes. this is the most scathing thing i have heard about thomas to date. it's one thing -- a lot of democrats think he is in the tank all the time. this is the home team. eastman clerked for thomas, spent a year shoulder to shoulder. he thinks thomas is the guy to deliver the very thing that the entire department of justice resigned rather than do. this is trump saying, just cast some doubt on it and the republican congressman will take care of the rest. they want thomas to do just that little bit. it's an amazing charge that they could think it's even possible, but that it comes from people who know him so well really raises eyebrows. >> jackie, perception laundering may be all that the supreme court can do. clean up the perception they were part of the plot. it's much worse when you line up thomas' votes on insurrection-related cases that mad

that washington is ginny, up in the attempt to limit russian oil revenues. now, because an oil buyers cartels and only really work if and that's countries sign on . well, this could be a problem. so washington figured out that the very least they could call this shot for all of its g 7 allies. now, earlier this year, the group even pledged to phase out russian oil imports. it's not like 7 countries are going to be able to control the global markets for oil or for anything else, but it's maybe enough to get some decent virtue signaling going and maybe keep ukrainian present primary ones out there back for a few minutes. but now tokyo has ruined the whole spectacle is unity by announcing that it would stick with brushes. in one wailing gas project, which american multinational exxon mobil pulled out of earlier this year. japan, government, and oil executives are explaining that it's just not practical to leave the project . unlike europe or the us, japan depends on overseas for almost all of its energy needs. so it's not possible to cut off ties with russia be

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there are a lot of questions about he and ginni thomas, and those are always swirling around.re obviously a lot of progressives upset about the dobbs decision, a lot of americans, a lot of independents. as you look at these cases that involve -- the 65 cases that involve challenges to election integrity, trump and his team went 0-65. trump kept thinking, because i appointed him, they're going to undermine an election. >> it's the loyalty oath. >> a question of presidential privileges, where the court unanimously shuts him down. you can look at lindsey graham thinking that he's going to be able to gain federal judges and gain the supreme court. clarence thomas said let's have a listen to this for two or three days. they listened to the arguments and they told lindsey graham, he had to go and talk to the georgia grand jury. again, the ignorance of trump to think, since i appointed them, they're going to vote my way has been proven wrong time and time again on these issues involving mar-a-lago, these issues involving the election, these issues involving other trump criminal proce

the one thing they support to is a small but attention grabbing donation for prominent conservative ginni thomas. >> we need to take over schools. >> mark is one of another trio of candidates running for the governing board. and he has ties to prominent conservatives. they say it is unfair to say he is politically motivated. >> i don't identify as a conservative. >> he says he's a libertarian and never voted for donald trump. people have been too quick to say he's part of a larger conservative effort. >> i think the board is focused on things other than academics. >> he believes he might be concealing his full agenda and points to a statement that says schools should focus on academic excellence over ideology. >> that said to me is that we're focusing too much on diversity education and too much on gender issues and that is costing our students. >> there's nothing coded here. this is all i want to focus on. >> this is how polarized school board races have become. >> we got some nice rain today. >> it is a fun way to start november. we are tracking another storm potentially. >> this is ano

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this raises some questions because of course his wife ginny thomas has come up multiple times. not only did she attend the january 6th stop the steal rally but investigators have uncovered text messages that she was sending then white house chief of staff mark meadows pushing the false claims of election fraud. former trump attorney john eastman has been fighting in court to try to keep the emails from the committee. a federal judge ruled they should be turned over because they are potentially evidence of a crime. in the emails the judge argues there is information for the federal officials to proceed. they are concerned that they or their client could potentially be prosecuted because the former president, he has signed verification in one of these legal cases supporting verifying these legal claims of election fraud. they argue in december. by that point they argued it was, in fact, not true. he signed one of the verifications and submitted it to the court that they believe the u.s. attorney or local prosecutor could eventually go after their client or the lawyers. that is, o

and i don't think that any of us knew what jerry and ginny hart had prepared themselves to do to go inendants as a group. mind you we did not know each other yet. i knew jacky cochran, she had been very generous to support phase one financially. and wonderful letters from her and from jerry but i didn't realize, i was out of the country are buried in my work and didn't realize until after it was over with that hearings had caught on and that's when we found out the parameters for extra which let us out of the league read. >> for the time being. wally: thank you for having that because eileen did it, and i think we have to female eileen and another gal for testing so that is i did not have to have a backup backup. >> hopefully we will be seeing more and more as time goes on. and you would on as you said, you're traveling overseas for length of time and you had your career in aviation. tell us about that if you would get an overview of what you continue to do pretty. wally: whenever 11 over to russia but he thinks it might help to see the shelf and to make a person because she had alread

ginni thomas is a far right activists who played a key role to keep donald trump in the white house aftere lost the election. former vice president mike pence told nbc news that trumps actions on january 6 "endangered" his family as well as everyone at the capitol that day. and pence said he was "angered" over trump's tweet on january 6 that pence, "didn't have the courage to do what should have been done." >> iaid itoesn't take courage to break the law, it takes courage to uphold the law. e president's words were reckless. it is clear he decided to be part of the problem. amy: pence granted abc news the interview just has he published his new memoir, entitled "so help me god." donald trump is expected to announce from has mar-a-lago resort in palm beach, florida, he is running for the presidency again. amazon is planning to carry out massive layoffs and could cut as many as 10,000 jobs this week. that's according to multiple news outlets including "the washington post," which reports the layoffs are likely to target amazon's corporate workforce. this follows recent mass layoffs at facebo

ginni thomas, during this period. -- associate white house council of president obama is now the finding an executive director of present -- nonpartisan organization dedicated to preventing the decline of our democracy. he joins me now. and, i want to start on this revelation about this plot to tee this up for justice thomas. there's a system whereby these emergency appeals for a given circuit of the federal court, goes up to an individual justice who can issue, essentially, a temporary stay. we've seen this happen a few times with various matters. in this case, georgia, it would be justice thomas. there's is geographic logic here. but of course, it says something remarkable about -- eastman's judgment of justice thomas says possible complicity and character that they were the ones trying to tee this up for justice thomas. >> yeah. i think we already know from what those plotters are suggesting, where justice thomas may stand on this. but i also want to suggest, chris, a third possible leg of the stool. you identified two. the vigilantes in the suits. and the suits, the bureaucrats, and

was an ally and then, of course, there are are the questions about his conflicts involving his wife ginnis. >> right, and all the text messages she exchanged with people part of the effort to try to stop the legal transfer of power and certification. norm, justices are supposed to recuse even if there is an appearance of conflict of interest. does this fit the bill here? >> in any other court in the country uchdz federal law, a judge who had a spouse who had been advocating a position in this completely illegitimate attack on the election which has been characterized by another court, federal court in california as an attempted coup that is likely criminal, any other judge would have to recuse. in the supreme court you know who makes that decision? clarence thomas. that doesn't make sense in a democracy. as somebody who's traed ethics for more than three decades and advised president obama and other public officials on this, he should not have heard that case and he should not be hearing anything relating to january 6th to date. >> norm eisen as always, i appreciate your insights. thanks

one piece of their evidence is small but an attention grabbing donation from prominent conservative ginnihomas. stay with abc7news for all things leading up to election day. we have a special section on our website, abc7news.com, where you can find more information about the california general election and a proposition voter guide. >> houston police are urging witnesses to come forward after a popular rapper were shot and killed. takeoff was part of the rap group migos. he was killed and two other people hurt in a shooting yesterday at a bowling alley. there was a private party there. after the party entered, there was an argument when a large group gathered outside the door. there were at least 40 people at the scene and many left without giving statements. >> it does not matter how famous you are, you may not be famous at all, anybody that loses his or her life is a life lost and their family members and friends who are grieving as a result. reggie: migos has collaborated with drake, katy perry, kevin harris, many who have shared condolences online. takeoff was only 28 years old. >> a

given that and given ginny thomas's role already, what do you make of thomas's decision thus far not from anything january 6 related? >> well, i think that the january 6 investigation is broad enough that you could probably divide it up reasonably. i think what this said is that should, for example, the eastman email conflict and disclosure to the january 6 committee come before the court, he would probably have to recuse simply because his name is in the emails that are the subject of the dispute. and it certainly reflects the fact that everybody on the trump side thought he had a predilection by the case that was favorable to them. and as a judge, you can't stop people speculating about what you mean. and it is really not his responsible to monitor what kenneth cheeseboro said to john eastman. so he has a little bit of a decent complaint here that i shouldn't recuse because other people are talking about me behind my back. >> understood. paul rosen, always good to have you on. thank you so much. >>> well north korea is flying more ballistic missiles today. as the country sends a wa

one piece of their evidence is small but an attention grabbing donation from prominent conservative ginni thomas, the wife of justice clarence thomas. stay with abc7news for all things leading up to election day. we have a special section on our website, abc7news.com, where you can find more information about the california general election and a proposition voter guide. >> houston police are urging witnesses to come forward after a popular rapper were shot and killed. takeoff was part of the rap group migos. he was killed and two other people hurt in a shooting yesterday at a bowling alley. there was a private party there. after the party entered, there was an argument when a large group gathered outside the door. there were at least 40 people at the scene and many left without giving statements. >> it does not matter how famous you are, you may not be famous at all, anybody that loses his or her life is a life lost and their family members and friends who are grieving as a result. reggie: migos has collaborated with drake, katy perry, kevin -- calvin harris, many who have shared condole

it would go to him, but eyebrows raised by this discussion because his wife ginni thomas is at the stop she was sending text messages to white house chief of staff mark meadows pushing these false claims of voter fraud. there have been calls for the justice to recuse himself from any matters related to january 6th. former trump attorney john eastman has been fighting to keep these emails from the committee. a federal judge ruled these are likely evidence of crimes by eastman and by trump which is why we're able to see them today. >> i know you're also, paula, learning that trump's lawyers feared he himself could be prosecuted. >> that's exactly right. in these emails you see they were concerned because he was going to sign a verification saying the claims of voter fraud were true, even though in this point in late december when they were talking and they were not. a local attorney or prosecutors could go after him or even us. wolf, we've seen that's what happened. there's multiple investigations into this conduct. a federal judge has ruled these emails are likely evidence of potential f

ginni thomas.t -- and there's no evidence the court wants to clear its name with the 72% of americans who don't trust it. what could they do if they wanted to? >> yeah. i mean, i think particularly with the january 6th committee any potential influence that ginni thomas may have hinted that she has with the court needs to be examined. we don't know exactly what that is. but i want to get back to claire's point because i think it's so important. we have three branches of government. we have the judicial branch, which is supposed to be independent. they are not elected, the federal judiciary. they have lifetime appointments because they're supposed to work independently and judge the laws and the constitution based on their own interpretation of that. that's very different from the judicial and the executive branch with elected officials who get lobbied, right? you have people, you have interest groups, they contribute to campaigns. and what claire is talking about with this money that is being spent

. >> as elie points out his wife, clarence thomas' wife, ginni thomas, was directly involved in tryingoverturn the results of joe biden's win. how isn't clarence thomas isn't recusing? >> right, texas the white house chief of staff not some random person. i think not only should justice thomas recuse but i would argue he should resign. lawyers do what lawyers do. justice thomas is not the bad guy in these e-mails and nothing in these e-mails suggests the justice did anything under him. i will say eastman was a clerk of justice thomas', so it is possible, possible he thought he understood justice thomas' thinking even if there was no collusion or playing footsie. the other thing i would add is this. i want to tie what we were talking about before the break with this. president biden spoke about democracy today. this is a case where lawyers were doing lawyer stuff but they were also trying to throw sand in the years of our constitutional republic, of our democratic process. throwing wild legal theories against the wall to see if they can stop the results of a free and fair -- >> the e-ma

but, you know, when it was ginni thomas and questions were raised by clarence thomas, i said, you knowses have independent careers, and i think will be a double standard. just because you're married to somebody, they may have different views. let me get a break here. when we come back, kevin mccarthy promises payback against the democrats. is there a media double standard? ♪ ♪ felite. this couple was headed to the farmers market... when they got a chip. they drove to safelite for a same-day repair. and with their insurance, it was no cost to them. >> woman: really? >> tech: that's service the way you need it. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ we are the first generation of patients who get to redefine what it means. what should it look like, and what can we be as a community of women? it's still okay to hope. ♪ ♪ howard: kevin mccarthy made plenty of headlines when in his campaign of become house speaker he said he'd take three democrats off their committees. >> congresswoman omar, we're not going to allow her to be on foreign affairs. >> this would not be up precedent

even if we're assuming he has never discussed ginni thomas' activities, his wife's activities to overturn election, still there's an appearance of conflict of interest. the public will rightly question whether justice thomas is impartial. just to make a comparison, if any supreme court justice's spouse worked for a company and that company had a chase in front of the supreme court, that justice would surely recuse, even if they never discussed the company or the spouse's work. in fact, justice thomas did recuse himself off a case in the 1990s where his son was a student at the military institute vmi. the fact that vmi was part of a suit, he recused himself. he did the right thing back then but he's not doing the right thing now. >> and sara, tell us how the emails show how trump's lawyers were making false claims in court. >> yeah, this is why we were able to get the emails, why the committee was able to get the emails because there was a judge that showed potentially a crime. what it showed there were trump attorneys that were very worried that donald trump was going to sign on to a stat

. >> i remember, of course, the concessions that were made for ginni thomas, the wife of clarence thomas there is no audio, no videotape, i have those are the concessions you give -- if those were the concessions that were done by lawyers, in that instance, what is going to happen here? that it's wrong. president trump never once delayed providing documents or anything -- >> i know. >> the entire mar-a-lago scenarios just something very different ton hese issues. but alisyn, when you think about it, the odds here, one person saying no way, the other person saying of course he will, really only trump knows what he is prepared to do, which is really the name of the game for him. >> he may not know at this point, either. sometimes he may make a snap decision. but far be it for me to disagree with elliott. but steve bannon is going to jail for four months. that's kind of a big deal for contempt of congress. i mean, i know that we tend to think, oh, no big deal. i don't know, four months out of your life in jail seems like that may be held over somebody 's head. >> yeah. >> also the calling o