little bit as you mentioned, zoe lofgren, it jogged me, an interview a couple of months ago and ginni thomas was coming to the surface and doubling back to the thomas news, and asked me whether they wanted testimony from thomas, and at the time they weren't interested and it shows as things are surfacing how this investigation is really developing. >> things changing incredibly fast. >> as always, thank you. >>> i want to bring in now white house reporter for "politico," and msnbc contributor as well. let's talk ginni thomas for a moment if we can. i want it read for you a part of the letter to ginni thomas from the january 6th committee, honing in on and specifically it is the conversation, and writing this, we're specifically investigating the activities of president trump, john eastman, and others, as they relate to the constitution, and certain other laws, including the electoral counteract that set off the required process for the election and inauguration of the president. the select committee has obtained evidence that john eastman worked to develop alternate slates of electors to sto

>> sure, katie, but ginni thomas lives in crazy town. she is a true believer so i don't think she's going to give inch information other than the big lie. maybe the import of her testimony could be to give information on john eastman who she was in collaboration with apparently and he was one of the architects of this coup but as joyce says, this is not going to help the january 6th committee. in the long run it's about change to the supreme court, because right now the supreme court doesn't follow any of the rules the other judges do, they don't have a code of conduct and so you can have a justice like clarence thomas ruling on cases involving january 6th that his own wife was involved with so that can't stand. that's why chief justice roberts says, hey, people don't trust the supreme court, you know why? look in the mirror. they need to make real change in their own backyard. >> joyce, ginni told the committee she doesn't talk to her husband about politics but take a look at what she had to say in 2017. >> i am happy to be here but my

>> i was saying what happened to that ginni thomas. ed for peaceful transfer of power when it was donald trump winning the election. >> yeah it doesn't appear that she has intellectual consistency about that. and actually has a partisan view of it which is she wanted the republican to be president when he won the election and wanted the republican to be president when he lost the election. >> alicia support for the supreme court has plunged to a record low, with -- 40% with independents. how much do you think the role that ginni thomas has played in trying to overturn our electionn addition to decisions like the overturning of roe v. wade and a lot of others? >> well i think it's complicated. i think for a lot of people in this country they are watching this kind of news and saying who? but at the end of the day the deep dissatisfaction with the direction of the supreme court has everything to do with the fact that the public perception is that the supreme court is taking rights away as opposed to expanding rights or protecting rights p

what ginny thomas said during her 3.5 hours with january 6 committee investigators today, an extraordinaryd circumstances. the wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas, the loan to center giving testified access to the ex-president's records, which included text messages from his wife. she was questioned by a committee about her communications of the architects of the plot. she told them today, nearly two years later. >> so she says she still believes the election was stolen? >> not sure exactly what the reporter was asking. luke broadwater, who has a brand-new story, and author of the new york times at msnbc container joins us. and andrew wiseman is here, former justice department prosecutor for me senior member of robert mueller senior counsel investigation, also an nbc legal analyst. before i read it out loud, why don't you just tell us what you reported? >> right. so a group of us reporters were there outside deposition room, i guess, in the o'neill building. about four hours, while ginny thomas was being interviewed by the january 6 committee. we understand that she stuck to her

in march, we learn from the washington post ginni thomas exchange multiple text messages in communications the post, thomas promoted conspiracy theories and advise how donald trump could hold on to power. in one, she wrote quote, do not concede. it takes time for the army who was gathering for his back. weeks later, we learned from the post that was not just mark meadows that she reached out to. but 29 arizona lawmakers. in emails, the paper obtained, she urged the state legislature to set aside the slate of electors chosen by the voters and instead, she was there elm trump electors. writing please take action to ensure that a clean slate of electors is chosen from our state. the language sounded a lot like a memo written by trump lawyer john eastman. in which he outlined his proposal to keep donald trump in power. lo and behold, days later we learned that ginni thomas and john eastman were in fact corresponding. that was according to three people that were involved in the investigation. being conducted by the house january six committee. now, we have a new reporting from the washington po

ginni thomas reportedly exchanged text messages with trump chief of staff mark meadows shortly after to help overturn its results. according to cnn, after the election was called for biden, thomas rode the former staff chief of staff, quote, help this great president stand firm, mark! the majority knows biden and the left is attempting the greatest heist of our history. thomas also reportedly emailed an aide to republican congressman jim banks of indiana, saying she would not support his republican study committee group until she saw its members, quote, out in the streets. thomas also emailed 29 hours on a state lawmakers, urging them to overturn the election results, emailing to say that they had the, quote, power to fight back against fraud and ensure that a clean slate of electors is chosen. for the record, those clean slates of elections electors were, of course, fraudulent impersonators. if that was all not enough, thomas try the very same ploy with wisconsin state lawmakers. or outreach even extended, according to the washington post, the trump lawyer john eastman, who supporte

well, yesterday, one of those conservative activists and election deniers, ginni thomas, wife of supremess her role in promoting the overturned of the 2020 elec. mrs. thomas talked with mark meadows about rejecting the results and emailed lawmakers in arizona and wisconsin, urging them to overturn the results weeks after joe biden was elected president. while thomas was scheduling her meeting with the committee, the house passed a bill that would prevent people like ginni thomas from launching another coup. the bill introduced by california democrat zoe lofgren and wyoming republican liz cheney would reform the electoral count act by clarifying ambiguous language which trump and his allies exploited. the bill makes crystal clear that despite what trump might say, the vice president does not have the power to reject the will of the people. the senate is working on its own version. now, tellingly, 203 republicans, the majority of their house caucus, rejected the legislation. in so doing, they refused to put a stop to any future january 6th. a violent state on american democracy. officer eu

so ginni thomas just one piece of that.next week's hearing, so ginni thomas is likely to be part of that story but not the central focus. >> there's still so much information for the committee to gather, ali, thank you. >>> this morning markets are still reacting to the federal reserve's move to hike interest rates for the fifth time this month. we'll show you the dow. it's been down over the course of the day, now down just shy of 100 points following yesterday's steep day of losses. the latest hike, three-quarters of a point, is part of the fed's aggressive push to stabilize inflation. fed chair jerome powell signaling that there will likely be more hikes to come. this morning a sign of the global pinch. the bank of england is raising interest rates in the uk and saying that it believes the uk's economy is already in recession. i want to bring in nbc news business and data reporter brian chung. brian, to you first. we expected this rate. he telegraphed it, powell did, but he also signalled out there's likely more to come

ginni thomas reportedly exchanged text messages with trump chief of staff mark meadows shortly after urging him to help overturn the results. according to cnn, after the election was called for biden, thomas wrote the former chief of staff, "help this great president stand firm, mark. the majority knows biden and the left is attempting the greatest heist of our history." thomas also reportedly e-mailed an aide in indiana saying she wouldn't support his republican study committee group until she saw us members "out in the streets." thomas also e-mailed 29 arizona state lawmakers urging them to overturn the election results, e-mailing to say they had the, quote, power to fight back against fraud and ensure a clean slate of electors is chosen. for the record, they were fraudulent impersonators. if that all wasn't enough, thomas tried the very same ploy with wisconsin state lawmakers. her outreach extended to trump lawyer john eastman who supported the pressure campaign on vice president mike pence. and after all the behind the scenes maneuvering and cajoling, ginni thomas, the wife of a

powering possibilities. ™ >>> there are new calls today for ginni thomas, the wife of supreme court justices, to testify before the january 6th committee. they come as cnn learned this week that thomas not only pushed state lawmakers in arizona but also wisconsin to overturn joe biden's 2020 election win. according to emails shared with cnn at least two state lawmakers from wisconsin received what appeared to be pregenerated emails from the conservative activist that mirror form letters she also sent to 29 arizona legislators encouraging them to meddle in the state slate of presidential electors. thomas also attended the rally that preceded the attack on the u.s. capitol and the january 6 committee has used hearings to highlight texts thomas exchanged with trump white house chief of staff mark meadows in 2020 urging him to continue the fight to overturn biden's win. in one text she said, quote, the majority knows biden and the left is attempting the greatest heist of our history, which is obviously untrue. with me is a professor of law at the ucla school of law and is the director of the sa

and as we discussed, ginni thomas who is the wife of clarence thomas agreed to an interview with theelect committee to discuss her efforts tooff turn the 2020 presidential election. joining our conversation, legal correspondent season user owed either editor of slate and author of a really important beautifully written and new book called "lady justice, women the law and the battle to save america." when you start writing a book, you can't know that it will end up being the biggest issue in the country. >> i would even cop to the fact that i would happily have a less stirring release if roe had not been overturned. what makes the book timely is also the thing that breaks my heart. >> talk about that. >> well, the book sort of start mis-2016 when the court is hearing a big abortion case and there is finally three women at the court and there is a woman arguing and it is so clear that we're close, we're close to getting something that feels like equality and the decision in all women's health which was a spectacular decision kind of senator centering women and we were inching up for so

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there have been evidence that i believe your committee has and covered that ginni thomas and thomas wereuch about eastman's plan to essentially -- he was the mastermind behind the mike pence coup idea. >> exactly. the theory that they proposed, and we know they were communicating during this time, in addition to the text messages that you show that she was communicating to the white house chief of staff, she's communicating to john eastman, a law professor, this is the same individual who a federal judge in california said, with president, more likely than not, committed federal crimes. that individual came up with this theory that the vice president could set aside electors, with -- four more time. none of that is grounded in our laws. by the way, chris, we should take a minute to acknowledge that the sunni and zoloft authored a change to those laws. we ensure that this can never happen again from a legislative perspective. ginni thomas was in close coordination and in touch with john eastman at that time. we think it's a relevant time period, and we plan to ask questions about it. >> y

i do think that ginni thomas can probably qasem light on that. because apparently she was calling all sorts of people. for somebody to say, gosh, i thought the election was corrupt and therefore i said that. that is a big huge or legal problem, right? if ginni thomas can shed light on people or groups, you know, whoever it might be, who knew that this was fraudulent, but pursued it anyway. that is when you start getting into the realm of criminal charges. >> let me if i can switch gears to the department of justice's investigation into the ex presidents improper storage of classified documents at mar-a-lago. you sit on the intelligence committee, which in the wake of that search was informed that there would be a damage assessment by the director of national intelligence. that review recently resumed after the appeals court reversed this bizarre judge, judge's ruling, out of florida. wind does your committee expect to receive a classified briefing on that damage assessment? can you shed any light on where this stands? >> it should be very soon. o

ask your doctor now about an areds 2 supplement. >> are months of complaining about ginni thomas lookpaid off over the last few months there have been tons of reports about the supreme court justice clarence thomas's wife pressuring state lawmakers in places like arizona and wisconsin to overturn joe biden's 2020 win in those states. at the same time ginni thomas was also pressuring then white house mark meadows to pursue efforts to reverse trump election loss calling it the greatest heist of our history. now, finally, something is being done about these dangerous activities that she reportedly undertook. this week nbc news reported of the january six committee has reached a deal for ginni thomas to meet with the panel in the coming weeks. let's bring back our saturday night panel to break it all down for us. molly, what do you expect to come from thomas talking to the general six committee? what should the committee seek to get out of her? >> i mean, i think they should figure out how involved she was with the planning, with the buses, you know, certainly, look, she is married to one

let's talk about ginni thomas. john eastman is under investigation.- the fake elector's plot is the plot and he put it on paper. he seemingly acknowledged its illegality in conversations with lawyers that already testified. her work in crafting the messages to get lawmakers to carry it out, to overturn the will of the voters in their states, is that something that could come under criminal scrutiny? >> i think it is under criminal scrutiny. my expectations when we see the interview is that it's going to be more of a wimper than a bang. you read some of her text messages and it seems like she is a cheer lead eastern can you imagine mark meadows rolling his eyes and saying crazy aunt ginni is e-mailing me again. the details she is aware of are right at the center of the critical steps if you believe the evident we've seen. and the evidence is suggestive. and a supreme court justice's wife is in the middle of that, has to get everyone to sit up and take notice. >> i want to pull that throughout a little further. she sent messages to lawmakers giving them

ginni thomas. and while chairman bennie thompson wouldn't tell me when that interview would take place. he said that there is no rush to have this take place before wednesdays hearing. but he said that he knows that this testimony will be significant because of the firsthand knowledge of so many topics that we have already seen in percent in past hearings. and lastly, that the committee is now having access to this thread that a arizona judge granted access to an arizona chairwoman of the republican party. access to her phone records to the committee. she was one of over 80 of these so-called fake electors that the committee subpoenaed earlier. so it's going to be interesting to see how this new information could possibly make it into this next hearing, or possibly into this final interim report that the committee is expected to release over the next few months. >> our allie raffa. thank you so much for being with us live on capitol hill this morning. so that many investigations into donald trump a

and ginni thomas, wife of a supreme court -- i mean let's be real. a supreme court justice, was an active insurrectionist. there is no other way to put it. and what it does to me, we saw yesterday a retired new york city cop who rioted and stormed the capitol now facing ten years in prison. what about ginni thomas, what about all of these other people who did whatever they could to try to overturn the election results? that has got to be reckoned with because what they did i think is every bit as serious as what the folks who stormed the capitol did. >> can yesterday trump once again vowed to pardon those january 6 rioters, at least some of them. let's listen. >> i met with and i'm financially supporting position that are incredible. and they were in my office actually two days ago. it is very much on my mind. it is a disgrace what they have done to them. i will look very, very favorably about full pardons if i decide to run and if i win, i will be looking very, very strongly about pardons. >> dangling pardons, apparently paying some legal fees even

between 2003 and 2007, ginni thomas earned nearly $700,000 from the heritage foundation, according ton records. clarence thomas failed to note the income in his supreme court disclosures. he's kind of hiding her income, not being honest about it. but there's nothing anyone can do because there are no ethic rules in the supreme court. >> no, it just shows you what's going on. they're all trying to get close to clarence thomas and influence clarence thomas through ginny. that's what's going on. that's why they're paying her. that's why mark meadows was taking her calls. if you look at those 29 emails that go back and forth, it's pretty obvious if her name was ginni jones, she would not have gotten past the operator at the white house. they're all trying to influence clarence thomas through her. and that is what's really going on, and that's why this is so evil. >> we don't have much time, but do you have any comment on this special master, aileen cannon, this judge who has essentially delayed, allowed a delay in trump having to file an affidavit saying he believed whether or not anythin

is it possible clarence thomas had in idea of the activities of ginni thomas? possible. had no idea what was going on during the election and biden and trump and her connections to the administration? possible. sit probable? i can't even get my arms to being probable. you don't have any specific proof of clarence pushing this, great, that's fine. we got to find out. >> it's not an academic question anymore. it's seen real life application. election related cases have come before the united states supreme court. and clarence thomas was the only justice to side with donald trump when he asked the supreme court to block the release of white house records concerning the 1/6 insurrection. i'm going get into all of this and more with barbara mcquade. we're back in 60 seconds. quade. we're back in 60 seconds hello c! hello, kevin hart! earn big time with chase freedom unlimited with no annual fee. how do you cashback? chase. make more of what's yours. why give your family just ordinary eggs when they can enjoy the best? eggland's best. the only eggs with more fresh and deliciou

and i should point out that, you know, apparently we will hear from ginni thomas. and perhaps others who are looking to salvage some semblance of a reputation out of this. so, you know, a lot depends on what more comes down the pipe. the next thing i would say and that is really critical here is that a lot of the hope of the coup attempt lay on crazy ideas like the notion that the vice president could just stop the count. that is why the passage of the electoral count act and the house and in the senate and turning that into law is really essential because we really need to clear up some of the ambiguity that allow these crazy theories to bubble up. >> it was an act that only got nine republican votes in the house, so it tells you where the gop's head space is on trying to shore up our democracy. let me if i can, sir, play for you what congressman jamie raskin had to say just this morning on meet the press in regard to an allegation that was made by denver retain, who is a former republican lawmaker who served on the committees staff. he claimed that the white hous

she's learned from a source that ginni thomas has in fact come to this agreement with the committee. she'll be interviewed at some point in the next few weeks. and this is a victory for the committee because they've had a lot of questions for the wife of justice clarence thomas. in particular, we've reported on this extensively as well, you know, text messages that ginni thomas had sent to trump's chief of staff, mark meadows, before january 6th encouraging an overturning of the election. also the fact that e-mails surfaced where ginni thomas seems to be encouraging state lawmakers in wisconsin and arizona to overturn biden's win in their states. so she'll talk with the committee. her lawyer previously said that there is nothing to uncover here. this is the statement that he put out last night. "as she has said from the outset, mrs. thomas is eager to answer the committee's questions to clear up any misconceptions about her work relating to the 2020 election. she looks forward to that opportunity." so they'll be talking with her at some point in the next few weeks. and of course, vic

a new report by "the washington post" reveals that ginni thomas, the conservative activist and the wife clarence thomas, pressed lawmakers to overturn president biden's 2020 victory, not only in arizona as previously reported, but also in wisconsin, even though president biden won. according to emails obtained under state public records law, thomas emailed two republican lawmakers in wisconsin, state senator kathy bernier, then chair of the senate elections committee, and state representative gary touchin. both received the email on november 9th, virtually at the same time the arizona lawmakers received the exact same copy of the message from thomas. the "post" adds thomas sent all the emails through freeroots, allowing people to send pre-written emails to multiple elected officials. joining us now, the investigative reporter at "the washington post" behind this report, emma brown. emma, what can one deduce from these discovered emails? what exactly was she pushing these lawmakers to do, and is there potential she was using her influence as the wife of a supreme court justice to try to

state who are election denier, and now with only one more hearing to go, now, the apparently, ginni thomase court justice clarence thomas, in another unprecedented moment, the wife of a supreme court justice is going to be interviewed and what is the importance of that? >> well, the supposed or the potential abuses by ginni thomas are numerous, and vi heard the reports and seen the reports of the texts, and so it is important to get the full information of what is going on, because clearly a conflict of interests here for the supreme court justice thomas. we need to bring it to light. and one of the best sanitizers here is to bring the potential abuses to light so that we can see this. a lot of this is going to be settled at the ballot box, and you have one party given into extremism, and decided to double down on the politics of division and partisanship, and people have to decide which way they want to move the country. >> and you have fought in iraq and afghanistan and served the country on to battlefields and let me ask you about mar-a-lago and the seized documents, because the 11th ci

they wouldn't subpoena ginni thomas. they provided "60 minutes" a statement that says in part, mr.the investigation. he departed prior to our most important investigative work. the committee has run down all the leads that arose from his work. last week, ginny thomas agreed to be interviewed. >>> what riggleman said he learned from texts from mark meadows, at "60 minutes" overtime.com, sponsored pfizer. dancing crew. trip for two. nail the final interview. buy or lease? masterpiece. inside joke. artichoke. game with doug. brand new mug. come here, kid. gimme a hug. the more you want to do, the more we want to do. boosters designed for covid-19 variants are now available. brought to you by pfizer & biontech. aubree: i'm aubree. i went to st. jude because i had a cancerous tumor. casey: these kids, they don't deserve to have to go through this. my beautiful little redheaded girl has cancer. you don't know what's going to happen. narrator: please call or go online and become a st. jude partner in hope for only $19 a month. christen: i think it's the most worthwhile place to put your m

he also shed light on how a scheduled interview with ginni thomas could factor into the proceedings. >> reporter: you and i have spoken for months about the committee's efforts to get this interview with ginni thomas. now that we know there was a deal struck between her and her legal team and the committee for an interview in the coming weeks, is what sources are telling us, i asked members yesterday whether they could provide more clarity on that, whether there's a chance her interview could be referenced in wednesday's hearing, whether she could be a witness at that hearing. the chairman told me there's, quote, no real rush to do it, to interview her before the hearing. and that the committee still hasn't decided whether they'll include witnesses like they have if past hearings. regardless of whether we see or hear this testimony from ginni thomas, the significance of this deal for her to come forward voluntarily is not lost on the members. listen to what jamie raskin told me yesterday. >> we think because she was involved in helping organize and promote january 6th and individuals

when it comes to ginni thomas, she can speak to. so themes that the committee has present and what they want to talk about her, the emails and text messages that they already have, and allegedly conversations she was having over text with people like mark meadow, the then chief of staff and conversations she was having with john eastman, the lawyer who was one of the chief architects for the plan on how the trump team could overturn the election results in congress. so her conversations with key players that the committee has already fleshed out for the american people, that's what they want to talk to her about. i do think it's important though, that we speak to the way in which this is happening, which is after months of back and forth, between thomas' legal team, and the january 6th committee, ultimately, this is something that they came to, that she is going to be there voluntarily, they were not willing to issue a subpoena, but at the same time, there's a wide array of issues, not just the conversations, but also emails that sh

. >>> and conservative activist ginni thomas, the wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas, has agreed to a voluntary interview with the house committee investigating the january 6th riot. the committee wants to talk to her about communications with trump advisers and her role in trying to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. ginni thomas' attorney says that she wants to, quote, clear up any misconception business her work relating to the election. >>> president biden denounced russia and russian president vladimir putin for what he called the brutal, needless war on ukraine during his address to the u.n. general assembly. during yesterday's speech, mr. biden called on all nations to stand firm in backing the ukrainian resistance. he also said putin's threat to use nuclear weapons was reckless and irresponsible. bradley blackburn is at the u.n. where the general assembly continues its annual meeting today. good morning. >> reporter: anne-marie, good morning. the world was listening here yesterday as president biden took his chance to respond to vladimir putin.

those are two states with ginni thomas, the wife of the radical conservative supreme court justice clarences pressured state lawmakers to overturn the 2020 presidential election. the whole thing just stop there, by the way. the wife of a supreme court justice pressured people to overturn an election, in america in 2021. emails obtained by the washington post shows that ginni thomas urged to wisconsin lawmakers to choose the fake pro trump slate of electors in rejecting joe biden's victory, writing quote, please stand strong in the face of media and political pressure. please reflect on the awesome authority granted to you by our constitution. and then, please take action to ensure that a clean state of electors is chosen for our state. and quote. of course, by clean, you mean fake? but ginni thomas wasn't the only pro trump acolyte involved in the wisconsin fake electors scheme. their public and senator ron johnson admitted in june that he coordinated with staff and lawyer, to pass along the fix elector documents from wisconsin and michigan. to vice president mike pence. that's of course af

members of the january six committee are repeating calls for ginni thomas to come in and talk. , the congressional thomas is stopping short of forcing her testimony through subpoena. >> i would like to hear from is thomas, when we sent her the letter inviting her she spoke very promptly about how she was eager to come in to that committee and that, if she did so, everything would be cleared up. so i hope she still has that view i hope that that's true what she said and she should come in and talk to us. >> joyce vance is back with us and also joining us as daniel strauss senior correspondent at the new republic. daniel the january six committee has less than three months now to wrap up its research. why do you think it hasn't made ginni thomas a bigger priority until now? >> i mean, they have their reasons clearly. the scope of this investigation goes far beyond just a few people. but it is curious and it's curious because it looks like after the labor day break, we are going to get a lot more of what we know happened on january 6th. adam kinzinger, a member of the panel recentl

jessica, ginny thomas, wife of the u.s. supreme court justice clarence thomas, as you know, has agreed to be interviewed by the house january 6th select committee in the coming weeks. why is her testimony important to the committee? >> the committee's trying to overturn every stone here and find out everything that led up to this capitol attack. they've uncovered these text messages that she had with mark meadows before january 6th talking about overturning the election. they have emails she sent to state legislators in arizona, wisconsin, encouraging them to overturn the results that were in favor of joe biden. the committee wants to get everything out there, and because this is outstanding they want to make sure they get ginny thomas in. at this point she's agreed. it will happen sometime in the next several weeks. >> we will find out very soon. thank you very, very much. just ahead, can former president trump's powerful grip on his party impact the outcome of the 2024 presidential race? we'll speak to the authors of an ex

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ginni thomas is the spouse of clarence thomas and more information gets leaked all the time that shows that she tried to use her influence and access to power to pressure republican lawmakers to push the big lie. she texted mark meadows, the chief white house chief of staff, to encourage him to stay true and push the big lie. speaking of qanon, she promoted qanon conspiracy theories. and alone behold, the lone dissent on that supreme court decision about trump handing over his documents, it was unanimous except one person, who was that? clarence thomas! so, i want to know how much is ginni thomas no. how involved was he? we have our tax. we have our emails. we know she hosted john eastman, the conspiracy theorist and the major architect of the big coup that is ongoing. after trump lost the election. she needs to be subpoenaed. they gave her involuntary invitation in june. she said she would show up. and she has not. so, i don't think they should get around anymore. she is a bad actor. a subpoena. her bringer in. what does she? no way did you know? it how complicit is she in this ongoin

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of people have said, given ginni thomas's involvement in the events leading up to january 6th, her election denialism, and campaign with states, and other actors, inside of trump world. her relationships is justice thomas for them, and the opening statement today. i guarantee, my husband hasn't spoken with me, pending cases in court, and is an ironclad rule in the home it isn't interested in politics, and you can't see my face here. it was going to the topic, swoon calling, emailing, and texting. does that satisfy your questions? >> no, and it's bad for the supreme court. it's bad for the american people. maybe they never discussed this in private, but it's just obvious to any american, that to have the weight of a supreme court justice, saying, the 2020 election was stolen, which -- >> she continues to say. she said it today. it casts doubt on the court itself. there is much stricter rules, they have to recuse himself, if it's a case that seems too involved in the work of one of their spouses. the court, that is why the confidence levels in the courts drop so low. many have upset the decis

they have to put up something competent and coherent. >> ginni thomas, wife of supreme court justice arence thomas, she was part of the efforts to overturn election results in 2020, in touch with mark meadows. she has agreed to sit down with the january 6th committee. what can they get from her? >> sure. what they're looking at is not just discussions with mark meadows but with john eastman, the lawyer we know is the subject of the criminal probe in the context of these fake electors in his efforts and coordination with mr. trump who retained him as a private attorney. she can provide context into what efforts she was doing, what information john eastman told her, what information she provided him. who else she interacted with on his behalf and vice versa. it can flesh out the picture more. they're not going to get into what she discussed with her husband, that's marital privilege but this will flush out a factual record of what the spouse of a supreme court justice was doing to try to overturn the election. >> it's been a busy 24 hours, bradley, we thank you for helping us understand

ginny thomas has been under scrutiny for her efforts to help overturn the 2020 election, including urging state lawmakers to reject the results. the committee says thomas told them she still believes the election was stolen. but thomas denies having any involvement with the capital riot. this week's january 6th hearing was postponed because of the hurricane, but as a b cs, jon karl explains, the panel still has a critical decision to make. the single biggest question going forward in the few weeks that they have left to complete their work before the election is whether or not they are going to subpoena donald trump to testify and whether or not they will be able to convince by former vice president mike pence to testify. committee is expected to release a report on its findings later this year. but a new date has not been set for the final hearing. the fda has approved a much debated drug for als, also known as lou gehrig's disease. delivery oh is designed to slow the nerve cell damage caused by a less during reviews. experts had concerns about the drug's effectiveness. because the fda a

i think the committee is interested in and, i think it would be curious to see what ginni thomas said if you ask her the directed questions. >> why did it take so long for the committee and thomas to come to an agreement. was there someone who opposed interviewing her? >> i go through that in the book. sometimes i was pretty aggressive and the committee, there's a lot of things you have to do with seven investigative teams, and i was pushing hard. what it comes down to is decisions on priority, and i think we found the text pretty early. we were looking at trump at the time. i was pushing pretty hard. it sort of was even a lightning bolt, that was one of the reasons that i was frustrated and one of the reasons that really got to me for a time, but in the book i state i started to see, you know, that maybe the committee had some points about maybe holding back in some ways, but i still think we should have been more aggressive in the long-term with ginni thomas. >> do you not think the current approach is aggressive enough and what do you think changed that now she's coming in. >> when

they show that ginni thomas, the wife of clarence thomas emailed wisconsin legislators in november of 2020 asking them to effectively reverse then president trump's election loss to president biden in that state. it was already known that ginni thomas, a conservative activist, had contacted arizona lawmakers with a similar request. both states sent biden electors to the electoral college since he won the popular vote in both states. the electoral college then named biden the winner of the presidential election. >>> russian president vladimir putin visited the body of former soviet leader mikhail gorbachev, but putin will not be attending his funeral. gorbachev died on tuesday, and today putin placed flowers on his open casket. putin won't be attending the funeral on saturday because of scheduling conflicts. also, gorbachev will not get a full state funeral due to the kremlin's opposition to some of his policies. he'll be laid to rest next to his wife. >>> a crackdown on russian oligarchs in the united states, meanwhile. this morning, homeland security and the fbi searched the u.s. hom

ginni thomas's attorney still she answered all the committee's questions. insists thomas was focused on ensuring that the reports of fraud were investigated. >>> the white house kicking off its efforts to forgive student loan debt for millions of americans. today the biden administration emailed and tweeted updates on the process. the window to apply opens next month, though they haven't said exactly what they but it lasts through the end of the year, so there is time. part of this update, new guidance on who qualifies for the debt relief there is one reversal. borrowers with privately held federal loans will not be eligible for forgiveness under this plan. the debt relief plan is also stirring up legal challenges. six republican-led states taking action to block it. in a lawsuit jointly filed today in federal court in missouri, the state accused the president of overstepping his executive authority. >>> apple taking a bite out of the market . that is what is topping cnbc on the money. shares of apple think nearly 5% today, after bank of america analyst gav

glenn, what was hope the committee hoping to hear from ginni thomas? we both know.n't gonna say anything. >> no. she wasn't interested in being forthcoming and being candid. i think it actually turned out worse than we had expected because in part, she was kind of a short for her husband, saying things we would never hear from justice thomas because he's not going to be asked to testify. so she got to say whatever she wanted about how we never discuss cases and we really didn't discuss election fraud, and if people believe that, well, there are any number of bridges for sale. then she also stuck with the big lie. she said, you know, she believes the election was stolen. let's remember, that's in the face of 65 judges, including judges appointed by donald trump, who rejected these ridiculous attacks on the election results. it's on this case of christopher krebs, infrastructure security agency saying this was the most secure in u.s. history and it's a face of bill barr. donald trump's own attorney general. you tight him as authority. even he said the election wasn't.

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talking about these hearings this week, i'm wondering about ginni thomas. we know the wife of supreme court justice agreed to be interviewed by the committee have actually sat down with her yet. >> no, but we will in the near future and i'm glad that she's coming in. she indicated that she would and it would take a while to get to this point. she did say publicly that she looked forward to coming in and talking with the committee. so, we're looking forward to that too. >> before you go congresswoman, one other question about wednesdays hearing specifically. would you say that what they're going to hear once a significant? >> i think it's important. i think we have built up information that is new i and this adds to this pile of information. when we started on the sand never guessed at some of the information that we found. so, stay tuned we'll see you wednesday. congresswoman with the t's, thank you very much. >> there's so much more to talk about regarding the january 6th hearings with the legal troubles. i want to bring in a criminal defense attorney at n

ginni thomas -- >> virginia lamp thomas. >> what do you think about that? do you think this adds fuel to the fire of those saying if there's anything that comes up regarding january 6 clarence thomas would need to recuse? >> i think we need to investigate that. i don't think we've made the connection yet, but i think we need to look at that. that's important. it's not there yet for me. >> yeah, look, i think since clarence thomas first became a figure in washington democrats have been desperate to discredit him and to call his ethics into question for any number of reasons. i think they've always failed. a lot of people have spouses that have ideas that they probably don't agree with, it doesn't make clarence thomas a bad person and doesn't mean he has done a thing wrong. i want to be clear, i think what ginni thomas was asking these people to do was wrong, but a lot of people during that time were having a lot of bad ideas. it absolutely doesn't mean clarence thomas has done anything untoward at all but the impulse of liberals is to go after clarence thoma

ginni thomas' attorney tells nbc news she answered all the committee's questions. her attorney insists she was focused on insuring fraud was investigated. >>> the white house kicking off efforts to forgive student loan debt for millions of americans> its efforts the biden administration emailed and tweeted the process. the window to apply opens next month and lasts through the end of the year. so there's time. part of this update, new guidance on who qualifies. there's one reversal borrowers with privately held federal loans will not be held eligible for forgiveness it's also stirring up legal challenges six republican-led states takin six republican-led states action to block it in federal court. the state accused the president of overstepping his executive authority. >>> apple taking a bite out of the market, and that's what's topping cnbc's on the money. shares of apple sank nearly 5% today after bank of america analysts gave the stock a rare downgrade. the analysts cited worries of weakened consumer demand it comes on the heels of the report that they scrapped