justice ruth bader ginsberg. [applause] i want to start by talking where you grew up and how you grew up. it is clear by talking to you and reading about what you have written and said in the past that that shaped you. start with you, justice ginsberg. brooklyn. growing up. tell us just a little bit about what it was like? >> i grew up with world war ii the overwhelming presence. it was both a sad time and then i remember the exhilaration in this country first on d-day and then vj day. we were doing something to contribute to the war efforts so we were saving the wrappers from our gum, the tin foil to roll them into bags. we had victory gardens in our school and we saved from our allowance money to buy stamps to buy war bonds so that the end of world war ii i think was a very hopeful time in our country. >> and so it was new york city and you spent your formative years in the heart of that city. not travel, not a lot of travel but right there in the heart of that busiest, most populous city in the country. >> yes

she andearned that justice ginsberg were girlfriends.washington it seemed natural to arrange a conversation between these two extraordinary women. that opportunity arose when i had the privilege of attending a private dinner at the former mayor of montclair's home. had justice ginsberg with her and i said ask her if she interested in conversation and she immediately agreed and she said well, why doris my friend? thiso it then became threesome with chief justice dorek. not have been possible ginsberg mottns remembering not reached out. this evening is the result of extraordinary women who pulled resources together. mary, which we just talked about, the three justices, of course. willhelmina. woodruff an icon in journalism. mrs. benefit, a force of nature washington. millstein.onnie others., many this evening's conversation is truly historic and for the first time we gather three women from courts who are girlfriends and from three countries. monument.ach a living at a time when so many people are asking where are the women, is a response.

justice ruth bader ginsberg. [applause] i want to start by talking where you grew up and how you grew up. it is clear by talking to you and reading about what you have written and said in the past that that shaped you. start with you, justice ginsberg. brooklyn. growing up. tell us just a little bit about what it was like. >> i grew up with world war ii -- the overwhelming presence. it was both a sad time and then i remember the exhilaration in this country first on d day and then vj day. we were doing ting contribute to the war efforts so we were saving the wrappers from our gum, the tin foil to roll them into bags. we had victory gardens in our school and we saved from our allowance money to buy stamps to buy war bonds so that the end of world war ii i think was a very hopeful time in our country. >> and so it was new york city and you spent your formative years in the heart of that city. not travel, not a lot of travel but right there in the heart of that busiest, most populous city in the country. >> yes. and

joining me now is audioing pert paul ginsberg.ined ear, some of these noises might sound blurry or insignificant. how do the audio experts tell the difference. >> i did a simulation of the pinger output to give you an idea of what we're listening for. [ pinging ] >> nice and clear, crisp, sharp and evenly pulsed. >> but underwater with other echos and wild life sea life, man made noises, swishing of water flow and so on and so fort, this is what the ocean sounds like with the pinger sound embedded in it. and the job, of course, is to try to identify and bring out what we're looking for. soo you use techniques, the same i used to claire fbi recordings in waco and sandy hook 911 calls and so on. after a certain amount of processing with some good planning, this is what we evolve. then once we have an idea of what we're listening for and we feel that we've gotten it, we do some additional processing and we finally evolve something that is much more useful for taking measurements. [ pinging ] >> that would be the unmistakable sound wi

he, rabbi ginsberg himself earned and used his miles -- >> but i know. but what you're talking about is what count two of the complaint says i think that's their objection. >> mm-hmm. >> and as far as count two of the complaint says, it's about airline miles, i take it, and airline miles are used on airlines, and et cetera. >> well, his claim -- >> well there is something else in this complaint, tell me, and i'll have to figure out whether we go beyond the complaint. >> his claim is about his membership in the program itself. and the program itself can be used, including the accrued miles that are earned under the program, can be used for purposes besides airline flights. >> does it say that in the complaint? >> it does not specifically say, but the contract does refer to the airline partners. and this was decided -- >> airline partner i take it is another airline. >> no, i think airline partners can be the people with whom they partner with to -- to whom they sell their miles -- >> and so if i want to find that in the record where do i look? >> this was

paul ginsberg, forensic analyst, and black box expert. and geoffrey thomas, airline and chief of airlines.com. and we are expecting the results of the oil sample sometime soon. what is the status of that? >> yes, don, we are in fact -- the oil came ashore and delivered down to perth yesterday. we understand it is a 24-hour period for analysis. the analysis we understand is a 24-hour period. we hope today, by 1:02 -- 12 midnight that they will learn if it is hydraulic oil or something thrown by a passing ship. but there seems to be a high level of confidence that this was not the usual marine oil. so there seems to be a level of confidence that this might be the first piece of debris, if you like, we find from flight 370. >> but i want to get your thoughts on this, geoffrey. underwater recovery expert told us i think essentially they have found the wreckage site. and he has been on this show with us before. you have spoken with him. we all have. why are he and so many other officials so confident about this? >> well, david is probably one

ginsberg, there have been questions about the role the echo was playing in the search. the u.s. navy confirmed the echo is searching the depth of the ocean floor in the area of the second ping detected on saturday, april 5th for 13 minutes. that was considered the most promising ping because of its sound quality. what do you know, if anything, about that? >> i know they have been searching in this 17-mile radius area where we expect that amplitudes would be different because of different reflections and currents and so on and so forth. we have talked more about the sal lynnty and the temperature creating in effect sound walls off which to bounce the signals. hopefully, we have a shot because if the amplitude is strong, we should be close to it. >> you know, jim, we are still awaiting the information from the bluefin's first full mission after some setbacks. does it seem the bluefin is capable of doing the job now? >> i think there's no question of whether or not it is capable and now it is a reading of what it is doing and giving ourselves enough time to look ate properly and ex

also with audio expert paul ginsberg who has been giving us excellent examples here. an unenhenced ping and also enhanced. you have a question for him. >> the point you make on filtering enhancements is fascinating. i want to get a sense of how long that process of analysis takes once you actually get the initial recording. >> well, one of my professors in college once said, if you do 90% planning you only have to do 10% work. and i've always loved that quote. and so the way that applies to this problem is, you need to know how to characterize what you're looking for with respect to frequency, duration, and periodic rate so that you can tailor your filters to accept only that type of signal. once you do that, you've stripped away so much of the job and the work and you can get to it much faster. so a lot of the -- a lot of the key aspects is the preplanning, the proactive bit and that will reduce the timelines afterwards. >> absolutely. >> got it. >> remember -- >> go ahead. paul, sorry. go ahead. >> i would say, i would love one of the manufacturers of these pingers

ginsberg and sotomayor dissented. justice kagan had worked on the case before she joined the court. she didn't vote today. here's chief legal correspondent jan crawford. >> reporter: for a generation, the battle over affirmative action has been fought here at the supreme court, but today, the justices said voters, not judges, could decide the ultimate fate of racial preferences. upholding michigan's ban on affirmative action, justice anthony kennedy, writing the main opinion, said the case is not about how the debate about racial preferences should be resolved; it is about who may resolve it. "affirmative action, while permissible, is not required and it is demeaning to the democratic process," kennedy wrote, "to presume that the voters are not capable of deciding whether it should continue." michigan voters approved the affirmative action man ban in 2006 after the supreme court refused to outlaw an admissions program at the university of michigan law school. bill chutey is michigan's attorney general. >> today's decision by the united states supreme court is a victory for the citiz

. >> we hear argument first this morning in case 12462, northwest incorporated versus rabbi ginsberg. mr. clement? >> mr. chief justice, may it please the court. under this court's decision there are only two relevant questions and the ninth circuit got both of them wrong. first question is whether a claim for additional benefits under a frequent flyer program like price upgrades relate to price and routes and services. this court answered that question and agreed that it was not particularly close. to reach the same conclusion in the same context underscores how far they've strayed from this court's precedence. affirmatived indeed, underscored the question was not particularly close. the ninth circuit's ability to reach the contrary conclusion in the precise same context underscores how far they have strayed from this court's precedence. the second question is whether the plaintiff's claims here seek merely to enforce the party's voluntary undertakings or rather seek to enforce state law

paul ginsberg is with us here. i'm very excited to have him. a forensic audio expert in the business of analyzing black box recordings. so, paul, thank you. i want to start with you. it is so fascinating when i heard from you, then we've been speaking a little bit before. are you skeptical about these pulse signals because they weren't continuous like they should be? >> exactly. if there's something transmitting, you expect it to be continuous. as long as you don't go out of range of reception. now, i will tell you that 37.5 kilohertz is above our hearing range. it's almost like super hearing frequency rather than a radio frequency. in fact, i would -- i would guess that dogs or mammals, you know, may even be able to hear these sounds. like dolphins. >> you have a very simple explanation as to what -- and we have some visuals to show of that. you have very simple explanation as to how we figure this out, if it's actually pings from the black box. you say number one is frequency. >> yes. we're looking for 37.5 kilohertz. >> okay. >> on the scree

liberals ginsberg, breyer, sotomayor and kagan were in the minority. chief legal correspondent jan crawford has more about the ruling and its impact. >> reporter: alabama businessman shaun mccutcheon wasn't looking to contribute millions of dollars to one candidate. he wanted to contribute a few thousands dollars to a lot of different candidates. >> it's a fundamental freedom of speech, constitutional first amendment issue about your right to support as many candidates, parties, and, you know, committees as you choose. >> reporter: today, the supreme court gave donors like mccutcheon the green light to spread the wealth, striking down limits on the total number of candidates and political parties a person can support. federal law had prevented donors from contributing the maximum $5,200 to more than nine different candidates during an election. chief justice john roberts writing the main opinion said there was no evidence that contributing the maximum amount to additional candidates or political parties would lead to corruption. "money in politics may

joining me now to talk about it is paul ginsberg and brian todd is on the phone for us and joe johnsn kuala lumpur. joe johns, the families are watching very closely. i would imagine that they are watching this as well. reaction? >> reporter: a lot of reaction, quite frankly. we here at cnn have been reaching out to the families, understanding the cultural se e sensibilities but there's not a lot for them to say, quite frankly. there are reports in the newspapers that some of the family members are actually getting e-mails now telling them when the next briefing is going to come. the next briefing comes and there's really not enough information to comment. they don't want to do interviews, from what i can tell at this stage. and they are not the only ones. there are other entities reaching out to them, banks and so forth. we know of a law firm in town here and, don, i think you and i exchanged ec exchanged e-mail about it that actually advertised to try to get people to come over and talk with them over the weekend and our information is not a single family member showed up. so peopl

young precocious student writing a lot of poetry and studying with the master and this is allen ginsberg of very warm relationship really but the relationship would fall apart, a voice for radical youth in ways lionel trilling felt he couldn't endorse was very suspicious of what he was an signify. is really a battle almost between radical students on the one hand and not only lionel trilling but professors like lionel trilling and on the campus of columbia university where lionel trilling was a professor, he symbolized the old guard a commitment to high culture that was no longer fashion symbolize the political temporizing in the eyes of the radical youth that was no longer accessible and white male spirit that is the criticism levied throughout the 1970s and after the 1970s as to lionel trilling was. a kind of unsustainable set of cultural commitments. that is the crucial part of it. >> host: why did you write this book? where did it come from? >> guest: it began when i read the novel the middle of the journey and felt it captured something crucial about american political life. there a

it's really getting rather creepy to have all of these people focusing on ginsberg. there's no reason why she needs to retire. there's no physical or mental residence. in fact, stevens himself could have stayed on the court. so i feel a little sorry for her because this has been going on for 20, 25 years. and people were saying, it's about time. it started soon before she got on the court. >> we'll see what happens. george washington university's jonathan turley. thanks. >>> come up be given his precaution with the fast and the furious and chairman issa's history involves the u.s. postal service. more on that next. cars are driven by people. they're why we innovate. they're who we protect. they're why we make life less complicated. it's about people. we are volvo of sweden. [ male announcer ] it's one of the most amazing things we build and it doesn't even fly. we build it in classrooms and exhibit halls, mentoring tomorrow's innovators. we build it raising roofs, preserving habitats and serving america's veterans. every day, thousands of boeing volunteers help make

. >> and, paul ginsberg, what about fatigue for audio tech anythings working this case? get too tired could they miss something important? >> absolutely. and it does happen. when you are trying to get something that you -- that you just can't perceive, you can't hear quite enough, if you're tired you just -- as mary said, you're going to zone out. you need to unfortunately you need to get up and just come back in half hour and pick it up or be relieved by another -- another shift. >> i got to question for you. do you remember when we were talking about sea light being able to listen or area pings, right? and -- or being able to hear sea life or whatever frequencies, higher frequency, younger ears. is it better to have someone -- i'm being quite honest here -- with younger ears to listen for that frequency? might they hear better because the older we get the higher frequencies go away, right? >> that's correct. and also any -- any hearing loss can additive and irreversible. it just keeps getting worse and worse and worse. if you were raised in a forest your hearing would

he is audio expert paul ginsberg and he showed us some ping enhancements last week.o show us how sound enhancement techniques work. we're going to use examples from night 93 hijacked by al qaeda on september 11th. it's a plane that crashed in a philadelphia field. we want to be very sensitive about how we air these recordings. we're not going to play them in full. only short bites to show you what the original sound data sounded like and what it sounded like after enhancement. so let's start right now by playing the original nalg sound as recorded in the tower on september 11th and then we'll play the enhanced sound. first, the original sound. >> just underneath, 360. >> all aboard. >> now, that was the original sound. so let's play the enhanced sound here just to tell the difference between what it sounded like originally, difficult to hear and discern and after the enhancement, some of which paul worked on. >> just underneath by hitting 360. >> is the captain would like to remain seated. all aboard, and i will demand everyone to remain quiet. >> united 93 calling.

let me ask you, city manager mario ginsberg, let me ask you this question.his is coming every year, is there anything you think the city ought to be doing to help protect them more, maybe giving the police department more resources, maybe letting parents know a little bit more what's happening. >> some of the things we really like to do is inform the students that are here to travel in groups. a single person walking alone is always in danger of something going wrong in any situation, in any city, in any situation. so we encourage the students to walk in pairs at minimum or groups, back each other up. you want to travel safely. we have officers -- i've talked to spring breakers that have said we don't have to turn around more than twice to find an officer somewhere, so we want to make sure they can see there is safety within eyesight. >> then you have to worry -- i know, chief, you have to worry about these hundred-milers, these guys coming in just to prey on those kids. that's a big problem, sflright? >> it is. they know they're going to party, we put extra

. >> thank you, paul, ginsberg for weighing in on both of those stories. >>> exciting day tomorrow inworld. two popes will be canonized and join the st. hood. no one will mistake donald sterling for a saint but the nba owner may have to atone for apparently racist comments if the nba can prove it. what does an apron have to do with car insurance? an apron is hard work. an apron is pride in what you do. an apron is not quitting until you've made something a little better. what does an apron have to do with car insurance? for us, everything. >>> in just showers two former catholic leaders are set to become saints. tonight, the catholic faithful are gathering in vatican city on the eve of this historic day. ♪ millions are expected in rome ready to witness john paul, ii and pope john xxiiird become saints. next hour talk about the catholic saints and the women who helped give these men their place in history. >>> hello, everyone. don lemon here. you're in the "cnn newsroom." we have a big story in the sports world. it goes much, much more difficult. it gets much more difficult than that.

justice ginsberg, there's a very real reason as to why ultiple antennas make sense. if you want to put an antenna many, you have to get a license and then have to get a license. >> is there any reason you need 10,000 of them? if you model this correct, can't you just put your antenna up? there's no reason to have 10,000 dime-sized antenna other than to get around the opyright or number of antennas, it targets whether the person receiving the signal coming through the internet privately performing by initiating the act of that antenna. getting the data stream and row in a user-specific user-initiated copy. >> that may very well be but doesn't contradict the justice's question, by doing it his way it doesn't violate that. >> there is a reason, justice scalia. you can replicate the experience at very small cost. urp you have the right to put an antenna and d.v.r. on your roof and in your living room and we can reduce that by a fraction of the cost. >> but you give them space available when they call in. they don't have this is my little dime thing and my copy that's goi

the 75-year-old stephen breyer and 81-year-old ruth ginsberg. and some liberals have argued they should consider retiring soon to ensure that president obama can pick their replacement. the retire now call is most often directed at ginsburg, who has battled some health problems, though she says she's fit and healthy now. for court watchers the big news this week is ginsburg turned out -- she sought advice about retirement from the court's one-time liberal lion, justice john paul stevens, who left the court at the age of 90 in 2010, enabling obama to appoint elena kagan. >> my decision was not made for any political reason whatsoever. it was my concern about my own health. >> do you think it's something that justices should take into account? >> i think so. i think certainly it's a natural and appropriate thing to think about your successor. you're interested in the job and in the kind of work that's done, you have to have an interest in who's going to fill your shoes. >> so if justice ginsburg came to you and asked your advice? >> i'd say she do

joining me, bob bauer, former white house counsel for obama, and ben ginsberg.en, let me start with you. what the court did yesterday, and i understand in many ways the arguments in favor of it, but did the court arguably make it harder for an individual candidate and campaign to have control of their campaign? >> i think what the court did yesterday will not have a basic impact on our current structure, which is that outside voices are the greatest -- the greatest voices in a campaign. and candidates are still not going to have sufficient funds and resources to be able to control the messages in their campaign. so i think in that sense, the opinion yesterday is not going to have a great impact. >> so you don't see it as a huge game changer. bob, do you see it as a huge game changer? it seems like political parties have the ability now to potentially court more of the superdonors. >> well, setting aside the question of the role of superdonors, there's no question it was a step in favor of the parties after a long drought. and the court has a lot to say about par

and yesterday, supreme court justices antonin scalia and ruth bader ginsberg made it clear that the supremeould eventually take up nsa surveillance programs. the justices' comments came hours after edward snowden made a surprise appearance during vladimir putin's annual call-in show on russian state tv. >> i would like to ask a question about online communication. i've seen little public discussion of russia's own involvement in surveillance. i would like to ask you, does russia intercept, store or analyze in any way the communications of millions of individuals. >> to which putin responded, you're a former agent, i used to be part of the secret services, let's talk as peers, you know, spy to spy, heart to heart. as for putin's answer to snowden's question, russia, putin said, does not conduct widespread mass surveillance on its population because the country quote does not have as much money and devices as the u.s. he further told his audience, not to fear, because russia's secret services are under the strict control of the government and regulated by law. after facing criticism for his a

then a conversation with justices scalia and ginsberg.ewsmakers, financial services roundtable ceo and former governor of minnesota talks about key issues facing the banking and credit card industry, including the security of credit card numbers, online theing, and progress, amount of capital big banks should have on hand and roles to prevent banks from making speculative trades with their own money. newsmakers, sunday at 10 a.m. and 6 p.m. eastern on c-span. >> cryptology is a nation are to goes back to the very beginning of history. we do have some interesting artifacts that really help people understand just how long people have been making and breaking codes. when we talk about the united states, it is important to note that the making and breaking of codes has been a part of america even before we gained our independence. one of our most precious artifacts is referred to as the jefferson cipher device .[cheers . we don't have any definitive exclusive evidence that this along to thomas jefferson but there are some interesting facts ab

paul ginsberg is a forensic audio expert.rently than most of us do. we want to talk about the pings. >> okay. >> the pings. we are still in ping land right now with it. >> exactly. >> all right. so some of the things we know. ping, the four ping signals detected, the first two were the longest. let me draw in here. this one here, two hours 20 minutes. this one here, ping number two was 13 minutes. the strongest, what does that indicate to you? >> well, that it's consistent signal which gives us some confidence in the fact that we're close. and the amplitude was varying a little bit during this 2 hours and 20 minutes but i don't think they lost signal. it was a continuous reception, which really tells us that this is an area that we should be searching and, in fact, this is the area that we are searching. >> right. what would you attribute the variance in the amplitude to? >> flow of water, other obstructions, any number of undersea currents, and so on. >> you're confident that these pings are from the black box. tell me why.

justice roberts, kennedy breyer, scalia, ginsberg and kagan, so a majority again, asking these kind ofions. kagan, for example, hey, looking at menu on aereo and the controls, quote, it is exactly the same thing as watching cable. chief justice roberts saying that there is no reason for you to have thousands of small antennas, which is how this operate, rather than having one big antenna, there is no reason for aereo to have 10,000 antennas other than to get around the copyright laws. but the attorney for aereo, david fredericks said, listen if an individual can put a antenna on their home, digital antenna and run the line down to their tv and record shows, and not pay any kind of license fee to anybody, because it is an individual broadcast, why should aereo customers have to pay? so the justices now having to wrestle with this difficult question of, what, comes under copyright law, and, the impact that a decision could have on future technologies like aereo for television viewers. the court expected to rule on this case by this summer. jenna, back to you. jenna: at home, doesn't it,

. >> supreme court justice ruth pater ginsberg took part in a conversation with other female supreme court justices from canada and israel. they share personal stories about what it takes to rise to the top of their field. here is a look. >> judges don't make agendas. we are receiving. we don't make the controversies that come before us. but we do our best when there are on our plate to decide them. the political biases that to have an agenda. attributed to us. when we make -- remember the 80's and 90's. the discourse was a stir in the critical. it was critical because they said they had an agenda which is the worst thing you can say about a judge. what it suggests is that the decision maker has an intellectual basket that will accept the evidence of information and keep the shape of the basket. judges are supposed to listen. so when someone says you have an agenda it is a way of dismissing the result and saying, well, what do you expect. it is absolutely a contradiction to what judges really do which is to actually -- we listen based on who we are, no question, but that's not -- tha

satellite corp. 2014] >> in a few moments, the cal report posts supreme court justices scalia and ginsberg. then the bipartisan center for forum. the brookings institution tomorrow morning looking at how russia's annexation of crimea is affect u.s. foreign policy and how it might be a factor in president obama's trip next week to japan, malaysia and the philippines. that discussion is live here on species -- on c-span at 10:00 a.m. eastern. ancient arty is an that goes back to the very beginnings of human history. we do have some interesting artifacts that help people understand just how long people have been making and breaking codes and have had a need for cryptology. when we talk about the united to noteit is important that the making and breaking of codes has been a part of america even before we gained our independence. one of our most precious artifacts is referred to as the jefferson cipher device. truth in advertising, it is very important to note that we don't have any definitive conclusive evidence that this particular device belonged to thomas jefferson. but there are some inter

justice sotomayor joined by justice ginsberg but steven briar actually agreed with the result.complicated case. actually it's quite personal for me. i was born in ann arbor but there's some old cases that could be read broadly to support justice sotomayor's position but you could also read them more narrowly and that's what the majority showed to do. justice briar argued in his opinion partly out of respect for the democratic process. affirmative action is permissible, but it's not required. and so the people of the states get to decide just how much affirmative action they want to do. that was basically briar's argument and it's a version of justice kennedy's argument for the plurality. >> speaking of justice kennedy, here's what he said the decision is not about. he wrote before the court addresses the question presented, it is important to note what this case is not about. it is not about the constitutionality or the merits of race conscious admissions policies in higher education. >> right. and there were two other justices, you know, there are a lot of moving parts to this