ginsburg. >> right. under three, the votes of at least three commissioners are required to make a finding that they have created a willful violation or a non-willful violation. >> but i think that if you are going to talk about someone other than general manager ginsburg that is beyond the scope of what tonight is for. >> i have a question for mr. pilpal. >> and i agree with mr. white on that last point. >> you said that it was your view of the task force that there was a problem with naming mr. ginsbuger and could you elaborate on your rationale for that? >> first the initial underlying complaint was against miss gong and she is the person that appeared at the various hearings and after the order was made and came back to the full task force, and we heard it at one meeting and continued it, and i suggested in there was in order, in there seemed to be an interest in naming mr. ginsburg, since he was not the named respondent in the underlying complaint and it was continued in part to give him notice, via

ginsburg's part. and i spent a huge amount of time after, or between the hearings, preparing, findings and explanation of all of this that i think would have been helpful as part of the referral and the transmittal and the chair elected not to use that and so what you have before you is just the information that was before the task force, which does not really tell, the full story, and does not tell it well, and in fact, mr. maionchi came before the task force and explained the thing about the list and his belief and which factored heavily into the decision of the task force, i believe and we have procedural problems. >> i got it. >> thank you. >> any other questions? >> okay. >> sorry. i am sorry for all of these questions. for the staff, i mean, what other than this concern that if we find a willful violation and a serious finding and what is the due process if we find a non-willful violation? >> mr. ginsburg was and they requested that he and his ballard attend the meeting. but at no point were eit

ginsburg, are you? >> i don't, i mean, the... and as i understand it. >> the problem that you are having with their naming mr. ginsburg is that he was not initially named when this alleged violation arose. and that after, second hearing, they suddenly came out, and named him and so the whole question comes did mr. ginsburg get a proper notification, so that he could go to the task force and say, hey, you should not name me and here is why you should not name me? is that? >> no, i think that the question, and i mean, the staff raised the question before that it would be a violation of mr. ginsburg procedural. >> and i understand that, and i don't think that is right, and i think that tonight you can certainly, if you feel that mr. ginsburg non-willfully, and engaged in a non-willful violation of the sunshine ordinance, i don't think that you are precluded by the due process and if you think that mr. ginsburg did not violation the sunshine ordinance at all but that someone else in the rec department may have done so and i think tha

ginsburg. >> right. under three, the votes of at least three commissioners are required to make a finding that they have created a willful violation or a non-willful violation. >> but i think that if you ar

ginsburg and due process of mr. ginsburg, why would we bother to go there? >> i think that the... >> if we are not going to do anything to him and not having any finding of willfulness, why would we need to get into a big discussion about that? >> well, i mean, i think that the preliminary question before the commission is whether he personally engaged in a violation of the ordinance, willful or non-willful and so i think that that is something, that is a question that is squarely before the commission. >> do we have to answer that? i mean, that is not preliminarily to a conclusion as to whether or not the ordinance was violated? >> and anything about mr. ginsburg. >> and i think that, not not connected in that way. >> maybe another way of phrasing what you are asking me, is can you not address whether mr. ginsburg violated the sunshine ordinance but instead, come to some conclusion about whether miss gong. >> and i don't think that we need to person allies this and i think that it comes from a department, and that is if we make a decision that they failed t

ginsburg was not informed regarding this matter? do you believe that he did not purposefully avoid attending the hearing, as the sunshine task force and here? now, to say that he was unaware of this matter is something only a complete idiot would say. and again, we have a case where john st. croix will use a missing punctuation mark to thwart the will of san franciscans, i served in the military for 12 years and if you were the commanding officer of any command and someone in your command did something and the answer to the board of inquiry was that it was not my fault, you would be hung immediately. that would be the end of the story and probably dismiss and just go in and find why you were responsible. and the department heads are responsible for any action or failure to act of people under their control. mr. ginsburg knew these were things were going on, and it just, can any one of you actually look me in the eye and say that no one wants to mr. ginsburg and said that there is an sunshine hearing and an ethics hearing, he is on b

ginsburger this this park didn't work it works for me those are the people that are not complaining and can'ter here and don't bother to come but people find this park fine. what's amazing about the park that's small but it packs a huge amount of activity both the small place very, very effectively. if you turn another quarter of the park over to grass irving to have a huge area that's not usually when it's wet and a put the way it is now despite the areas of rec and park to keep the lawn in good shape it fails that's a dust bowl. i don't think there's a way to keep it properly taken place whereas it can be used by aclu the year. there's absolutely no reason to split the baby in half if you keep the hardtop as it is and fence off the proposed terrace and path area and leave a small area in the area for days ago everybody does not wins. there's no grass in the high school by 3 blocks south there's douglas park it's fenced with a playground flat and perfect for kids to run around and a to play much better than this area of the court. basically, i obvious to the park it's been turned over

[applause] chief justice ginsburg just today was quoted in "the wall street journal" talking about the windsor case. something she said the struck me. she said ms. windsor was such a "well-chosen plaintiff." tell me about this. did you choose her or did she choose you? >> the lucky thing is she chose me. i did not choose edie. edie windsor is now 84. she grew up in philadelphia during the depression. her father lost his family business and their home during the depression. during college -- she realized she was a lesbian. but because of the time then, as she put it, she could not imagine being queer. she married a guy by the name of saul windsor. that is how she gets the name. who was her brothers best friend. and fought with her brother in world war ii. he marriage, needless to say, did not last very long. after only a few months, edie said you deserve to be loved the way you deserve to be loved, and i need something else. she effectively came out to him then. she moved to new york like so many people, including myself, in order to be gay. i can go on and on about her life, and i'm su

the complainant is dominic maionchi and the respondent is phil ginsburg director of the recreation and park department. >> is there anyone here on behalf of the complainant? anybody here on behalf of the respondent? is there anything that you would like to say or present? >> good evening commissioners, mr. executive director sarah ballard for the recreation department and i have the detained presentation and given that he is not here and i can keep it brief and respond to questions if you have them, i did just want to say that our general manager, mr. ginsburg had hoped to be here and he is not able to be here due to a personal conflict with his daughter, but as you see from the executive director's report and the complaint he was personally named in i think the third or fourth hearing at the sunshine task force. excuse me. and just wanted to say that we agree with the executive directors and the staff's finding that he was not given the due process in that naming. and that hour overriding interest in redacting the names and the personal information of the birth holders in this case wa

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during the argument, might adversary -- my adversary, paul clement, ginsburg was interviewing him and said, doesn't it create a skim milk marriage? all the couples get benefits underlying gay couples to not get any benefits under the law. isn't that a skim-milk marriage? when she said it, she speaks softly and is short and it was hard to hear her. i turned to pam and said, what did she just say? pam told me and i literally had to hold my arm down. i felt like doing this -- it would really not be good for supreme court protocol. [laughter] it so captures-- the essence of what this is about. it is and was and in places like ohio where gays cannot marry, it is like a skim-milk marriage. nowow do you view the case that it is over and you are on to new things as sort of fitting into the broader movement for fighting for lgbt and civil rights in general? >> let me start with civil rights. civil rights in general, i do believe and i think attorney general holder and the president would agree with me, that this is a very important case in the path our country is taking, the goes throughory to

>> everyone always looks at ginsburg. want her to retire while obama is still in the white house. she reiterated that she has no intention of retiring. it's certainly worth watching but every signal is that we will not. >> she was in a session with my wife moderating and when she gets talking, she was very sharp. this did pretty good term for conservatives. it's been a pretty big victory, serious business. majority seeing the reasserting itself in this term. casecampaign-finance and now the prayer case all went in the direction of the conservatives. >> if they win on the affordable care act, that would make a grand sweep? >> i could have real important implications for the future. >> you see frustration from justice breyer, kagan, so the tomayor. >> we saw her deliver her dissent from the bench in a very impassioned language talking about how race still matters. you don't yet see the evident frustration that you would do from members of the court in recent terms especially with cases like the health care when it looked li

i want to bring in paul ginsburg who is a forensic audio expert who has worked with the fbi, the cia,think the letters is written is one of the reasons the zodiac killer still hasn't been identified after all of these years? >> well, that's a matter of speculation. the first one was, in fact, decoded by a husband-and-wife team. and it had details of some of the murders, and it was really what identified him and he called himself zodiac. a number of letters that he had sent in in plain text to the newspapers and law enforcement showed lots of misspellings, so we don't know whether he was very educated. but in the area of cyphers and texts, codes, that was his expertise. >> possibly the miss spellings were even part of the whole ruse. what do these cryptograms even look like? how do you go about solving them? >> well, there are a number of ways. first of all, each letter in the alphabet has a certain frequency within common text. the order of frequencies from the most common is etrionsh and so on. so we know what we're looking for. we know common one-letter, two-lett two-letter, three-l

not everybody in the community, the legal community, the advocacy community, agreed with justice ginsburg and yourself that this would be the right case. >> lawyers never agree on anything. [laughter] there is nothing new about that. [laughter] there is nothing new about that. i was not a party to these conversations, so i did not hear what they said to edie, but they said it was not the appropriate case to be brought. my sense of it is that they were two factors. one, people were concerned about an estate tax case. edie's bill was high. she had to pay another $275,000 to new york. the there was a fear she would be perceived as too rich. i represent companies like citigroup so that did not sound so rich. number two, most of the bill was due to the fact that they had two apartments in new york city in the 1970's and they appreciated hugely over the years. that was the real reason for the big estate tax bill. another problem was that people were concerned about the tax elements. my sense is that every american knows in their got what it means to have to pay a tax bill, especially one that i

parks so it's great in promoting this so welcome phil ginsburg. >> he's mr. brooks and i'm mr. parks. what is joy to be here you guys are ready to go inside this is such such joyous days it's a story with a couple of different themes one it's a story about a buff partnership and that's the partnership that the 70 rec and park department has with our public libraries it's actually revitalizing community spaces this is how cities are supposed to be libraries and parks and public plazas and places for people to get together and challenge and build community learn and play and hang out. so it's a story about partnership i want to thank the library and lewis in particular for you leadership in trying to improve the quality of life in san francisco. it's the story of leadership and our elected officials from mayor 9 and supervisor wiener and senator leno's they get it they want to make life easier and pick the tough fights to visit in san francisco but your leadership and community leadership that is really made this happen this has been a long battle anytime you want to create posit

ginsburg, did he get sufficient notice, whatever happens to be, and yet, i don't see you having any problem at all, if the city shows up, and the complainant does not show up, and having a hearing, in their absence. you did it tonight, and you did it to me, last week. and it was done intentionally. i let the sunshine ordinance know that i would be out of the state from the fifth to the 25th months ago. they reschedule a lot of my sunshine ordinance complaints because of that. and i will be honest with you i think that it is really bizarre that this was sent to me and to you on march the third, and i was not sent a copy of the referral and then on march the 5 thing, the evening of the day of the day that i left, you put in an announcement out saying that there is a hearing on the 24th which is the day before i returned. do you really think that any party, to a hearing is going to consider you to be a fair body, if you simply go and have a hearing in their absence? would you think that it was a fair hearing, if you had some sort of a hearing and they did it and you didn't know anything about

. >> so several answers to that, justice ginsburg. first is that you could probably say the same thing about almost everything that is seized under robinson and edwards. once it's in the police's hands, they could throw it in the back of the patrol car, in the trunk, it would be safe, and they could get a warrant. but the balance has always been struck at the moment of arisk to allow the officers -- arrest toe allow the officers to fulfill the compelling interest in the matters i've previously described. the second and i think very critical thing about cell phones is they do differ in the amount of information that a person can carry on them and the amount of revelation about a person's life. that is true. they also differ in that they greatly facilitate criminal activity, they contain a great deal of evidence, and most critically, they are subject to destruction in a way that ordinary physical items are not. even if an officer has a cell phone in his hand, he cannot guarantee unless it's disconnected from the network or somehow prote

[applause] chief justice ginsburg today was quoted in the wall street journal talking about the windsor case. something she said struck me. miss windsor was such a well-chosen plaintiff. can you tell us a little bit about that. >> the lucky thing is that she chose me. the brief version of the story now 84.windsor is she grew up in philadelphia during the depression. her father lost his family business. during college, she realized she was lesbian. couldn't, time, she as she put it, she couldn't queer. being a the marriage, needless to say, didn't mat -- last very long. flash forward many years and she met a woman and they were together for 44 years. they were married in canada. it's my fault. i lost the case and they had to go to canada. even though she realized she was going to have this problem, she had the pan enormous estate tax called of the statute the "so-called defense of their -- of marriage act." the marriages of straight people were. if you are a straight couple, you don't have to pay an estate tax. at if you are the member of gay couple you did because it wasn't a marriage.

the question is whether they can search it without a warrant. >> yes, justice ginsburg. i was responding in terms of just a general expectation that people are not going to if you because you're carrying a phone in public, it doesn't mean that you expect that people are going to walk up and remove it from your belt or remove it from your pocket and start searching its contents. >> well, you could say the same thing about a cigarette pack that that has cocaine in it. >> or a gun. >> or a gun. >> and the police may seize and examine those containers -- >> right. >> to see whether or not. >> and why not the phone. that's exactly the question. >> because -- >> do you have a reasonable -- our rule has been if you carry it on your person, you ought to know it is subject to seizure and examination, and that's been the rule. >> it's the scope of examination that we that is at issue with a cell phone. a cell phone is fundamentally different from a cigarette pack. you can open the cigarette pack, you see whether or not there is something that is subject to destruction. but whether

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[applause] chief justice ginsburg just today was quoted in "the wall street journal" talking about theindsor case. something she said the struck me. she said ms. windsor was such a "well-chosen plaintiff." tell me about this. did you choose her or did she choose you? >> the lucky thing is she chose me. i did not choose edie. edie windsor is now 84. she grew up in philadelphia during the depression. her father lost his family business and their home during the depression. during college -- she realized she was a lesbian. but because of the time then, as she put it, she could not imagine being queer. she married a guy by the name of saul windsor. that is how she gets the name. who was her brother's best friend. and fought with her brother in world war ii. the marriage, needless to say, did not last very long. after only a few months, edie said you deserve to be loved the way you deserve to be loved, and i need something else. she effectively came out to him then. she moved to new york like so many people, including myself, in order to be gay. i can go on and on about her life, and i'm su

ruth bader ginsburg, the famous liberal on the supreme court, has said often that even show they supportsbortion rights, th she thought the court went too far on roe versus wade. should have let the states go first, not rule all at once. i think what we've seen in public opinion polls, the dramatic change in support for same-sex marriage, especially among younger people, all these states voting in favor of it. so many judges ruling in favor of it. that the court will be less worried about a backlash if they rule in favor of same-sex marriage than the backlash they did suffer about abortion after roe v. wade. >> you look at the momentum going state side, you're right, probably less of a backlash -- >> i think what's so striking is you have not seen much of a big backlash. you've not seen a lot of anger at the courts. >> jeff toobin, thank you. >> good to see you both. >> coming u, it's all fun and games until someone loses part of his body. >> part of his body? >> a failed attempt to throw out a base runner ended in a fight and plastic surgery for one baseball player. captain: this is a ti

you know, the president's election commission actually, which was ben ginsburg, showed there was no fraud to go. we'll talk about this a lot, because i care about it. i think everybody should vote. thank you, dale ho, thank you judith brown hyannis. we'll be right back after this. stall them. [ imitates monkey ] stop stalling. cascade platinum fights cloudy residue 3x better than the competing gel and helps keep your dishwasher sparkling. cascade platinum. and helps keep your dishwasher sparkling. trwith secure wifie for your business. it also comes with public wifi for your customers. not so with internet from the phone company. i would email the phone company to inquire as to why they have shortchanged these customers. but that would require wifi. switch to comcast business internet and get two wifi networks included. comcast business built for business. >>> let me finish tonight with this. this banishment of donald sterling offers new solid proof there's no longer such a thing as a private conversation. for all practical purposes, we are talking, all of us in this country, in the same

i spoke with paul ginsburg who worked with the fbi and homeland security department and the cia aboutroversy. >> it ourturns out the malaysia government has a poor history. they changed what they reported as the aircraft's altitude direction, the transcript. they said that the last transmission was, all right, good night. where clearly it wasn't. the release of the transcripts was first withheld, then it was -- then they were released. then the actual communications were released. and, in fact, i looked at those transmissions, and what they released was edited. in fact, there's even a very low voice. neither pilot nor tower in that released audio that they gave us. as far as who has the permission or the authority to withhold or release the information, really, whoever -- i don't care who it comes from, we need the data. and as far as i'm concerned with respect to the malaysian government, i would not buy a used car from them. >> right now, officials are determining the next search phase based on inmarsat satellite data. >>> the incredible california chrome is two-thirds of the way to

the question is whether they can search it without a warrant. >> yes, justice ginsburg.was responding in terms of just a general expectation that people are not going to -- because you are carrying a phone in public, it doesn't mean that you expect that people are going to walk up and remove it from your belt or remove it from your pocket and start searching its contents stanky did say the same thing about a cigarette pack that has cocaine in it. >> or a gun. >> or a gun. >> and the police may seize and examine those containers -- >> write -- >> to see whether or not -- >> that's exactly the question. do you have a reasonable -- our goal has been if he carried it on your person, you ought to know it is subject to seizure and examination, and that's been the rule. >> it's the scope of examination that is at issue with a cell phone. a cell phone is fundamentally different from a cigarette pack. you can open a cigarette pack. you see whether or not there is something that is subject to destruction. but whether -- >> and you can open the cell phone and see whatever is in the

when i studied with allen ginsburg, he talked about the town cryers in europe as they rode from town to town, and hollered out the news in rhyme. so it was never this stayed thing where ice-bound intellectualism. >> sapphire, thank you so much for joining us. author of "push." we'll all continue to remember maya angelou throughout the day today. oh my god! look. you need to see this. show 'em the curve. ♪ do you know what this means? the greater the curvature, the bigger the difference. [sci-fi tractor beam sound] ...sucked me right in... it's beautiful. gotta admit one thing... ...can't beat the view. ♪ introducing the world's first curved ultra high definition television from samsung. [ girl ] my mom, she makes underwater fans that are powered by the moon. ♪ she can print amazing things, right from her computer. [ whirring ] [ train whistle blows ] she makes trains that are friends with trees. ♪ my mom works at ge. ♪ my mom works at ge. [is engineered for comfort.hing that goes into a lennox system like parts that create your perfect temperature and humidity or the parts that purif

>> indeed it was, justices ginsburg, briar and soto may overdissented and kagan said it tends to divide americans instead of uniting them all as americans. when you come to a government meeting, religion should have nothing to do with it. she understands the history of opening government meetings with a prayer but when you start to encourage this sort of sectarianism, it become s divisive. government prayer is so deeply established in our history that it's acceptable unless it crosses a line. >> pete williams, thank you so much. >>> a deadly wildfire continuing to rage in oklahoma engulfing homes and killing at least one person near guthrie, oklahoma. the fire started as a controlled burn on sunday afternoon and rapidly spread out of control fueled by temperatures nearing 100 degrees. strong winds and severe drought conditions as well contributing 1,000 people have been evacuated from their homes. authorities said the blaze is only 75% contained. >> with the wind conditions expected to pick up throughout the morning and afternoon, we still have some concern. we have quite a few hot spot

he didn't win a second term and justice ginsburg is quite old and frail and you just never know. what if mitt romney was selected president and what if he got to pick a new member of the supreme court in a place of liberals? been your chances became exponentially more difficult. that was an issue early on. i think in the end you know everybody was right anyway. clearly the atmosphere was the time that elapsed was a good thing to the extent that it created a more hospitable political climate. at the same time paul clement who argued that some -- doma case both used that political progress. it's hard for listeners who aren't in the weeds like we are but they use that as an argument that the courts don't need to decide this. look at the progress that has been made. >> host: we are going to take a brief rate and then we will think about which case ultimately had the impact because you referred to the other piece the winter case which turned out to be a big victory so we will take a quick break and come right back. >> guest: all right. >> host: we will pick up where we left off which

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paul ginsburg is president of professional audio laboratories. welcome to all of you.n this one. if not the flight 370 pings, what were they? >> well, it's hard to tell because what we get is sort of filtered information. we get -- we get information that changes, whether it's the altitude, the heading, the transcri transcript, the composite recordings that they finally gave us and now whether or not we have pings. >> were they man-made hthen? >> we want to be on the ship and observing them and make that decision. it's hard to tell from what we're hearing. it just changes every day. >> it certainly does. david, you say there is certainly much debate about the nature of the pings. why is that? >> in the beginning there was because we didn't have enough evidence and no one on the outside had the actual data to look at. all reading between the lines on what has been released. so i think that is very normal that there would be some debate about what those pings were in the beginning. >> so i guess, jeff, what does this mean in terms of the crazy conspiracy theories that ar

>> we give an example of a warrant in the footnote in our reply brief, footnote 3, justice ginsburg, and many more available on the web from states that require warrants. what they do is say they -- the police officer testifies, perhaps somewhat like he testified here at the suppression hearing issue suspected this fellow was in a gang and i believed gang members keep certain kinds of things on their phone. this is the kind of crime we're investigating and, therefore, these particular files within the find are likely to obtain evidence and then what happens is the warrants say with particularity here's what you can look at and what you can't-mow importantly justice. >> that's hard to figure out. what you can and what you can't. it's easy for a magistrate? but impossible for a -- for an arresting officer. >> much easier for a magistrate at some removed and an officer under the stresses in the field. i agree it's not going to be perfect and let's look at what happens -- >> i'm just saying on the same lines, the point you make in the your argument the smartphone has everything, the pers

a pleasure to talk to a person who is writing tv shows, who is writing delmar schwartz and alan ginsburg into his tv shows. i am just watching matt with a little rhapsody. you think of do matthew's answer about why we are at this point? differente bit of a one. probably just a different perspective i come from. -- i think we actually -- i actually do believe that when you write us -- and matt redeemed when you write something because you are interested in it and you do not write it for the market, you probably write differently. and you write something that is different. and it is not from the intention of, i am going to bring it to market. in the business environment, that sounds like a bad thing, but it is a good thing. and it is unique and has not been done much on television. it sounds trite to call it a singular vision. there is resonance in that. there is a lot of stuff behind that, to get very pragmatic, including, i think, technology has something to do with the uplift. meaning it is a show you have to pay more attention to. if you cannot ever watch on a of on-demandtter and it i

justice ginsburg in her opinion for the court wrote this case is scarcely one in which the agents lacked a valid security reason for their actions. the oral argument from march is about an hour. >> case 13115, wood vs. moss. >> mr. chief justice, may it please the court. the nipet circuit held that individual secret service agents to be kelled -- could be held personally liable for their on the-spot decision -- n the--spot decision to move demonstrators near president bush. >> let me ask a question. so were the pro-bush demonstrators. the pro-bush demonstrators were across the street pretty much at a diagonal to the president. and they were permitted to remain there the entire time. they had a throwing distance of a bomb or a shooting distance as well. >> your honor, the pro-bush demonstrators were differently situated from the anti-bush demonstraters in several fundamental respects. with respect to the weapons range, there was a two-story building between the pro-bush protesters and the -- where the president was dining. it's in stark contrast to the open alley that led down precisely t