new jersey lieutenant governor kim giordano denied the allegations. >> mayor zimmer's version of our conversation in may of 2013 is not only false, but is illogical and does not withstand scrutiny when all of the facts are examined. i am very surprised by the mayor's allegations and i deny whole heartedly those allegations. >> joining me now, hunter walker, national affairs reporter for talks points memo and nick acachella, editor and publisher of politifacts, new jersey. >> we're going to start to get leaks about what's happening in the investigation. and so now one ott big questions that has been out there, what kind of possible corroboration is there for this conversation that only two people participated in. and now we're hearing that the fbi is hearing from people who say a that the mayor back at that time told them about it. that's just the first of what i'm assuming will be many leaks about this. >> absolutely. so far, the cooperation srrobor provided leaves quite a bit to be desired. we're talking about second hand conversations. journal entries. there's no carbon dating for