. >> what it did in girtin's an initial thoughts. >> i know immediately my grandmother was deeply concerned in some of her concerns had to do with the family and family unity so gordon describes his brother -- mother begged him and wept you don't know what is going to have been. if we will be separated. maybe will be found guilty maybe we will never see you again and she pleaded with him not to do this. and somewhere gordon remember that this was more difficult than his. >> good direct effect of this case? >> no. the guys anyway, . gordon came back to the university of washington after the war and got his m.b.a. degree which was pretty late with the circumstances of the war but that was followed pretty quickly by pedigree and a master's to spend time subsequently in the middle east probably had as a middle east as a quaker was involved with peace activities even in those days. i think but he remained there as a sociologists. but it is a rejection of the united states for an expression. although gordon did believe he would be fully vindicated by the supreme court that was interesting. win he