horam, gisela stuart and i went down to helmand we met an estonian officers -- the estonians are doing a fantastic job and helmand -- who had been there with the soviet forces all that time ago. that was an interesting link. john will remember meeting him. he was a remarkable man. on the contributions of other countries, they're have been criticisms by this and other committees of putting troops on the ground; it's making sure those troops actually contributed don't have caveat and restrictions. the expression was given to us by some senior people down there that there are "plant pot nation's." you just move them around, just a forces around because they don't actually do the job. if countries are going to contribute, if they are going to say that they will put troops on the ground, they have to actually be there available to do the role they are supposed to do. and the caveat that have existed by some nations have actually been the end pediment to activities by us and the americans and others and if we are going to have the troops there, they are going to be there and we'd be willing