giuliani's talking about somebody unarmed. and giuliani defended them.lice plaza including the former mayor dave dinkins and all of us were arrested on a daily basis. he refused to even meet with the black officials to discuss the case, including the sitting state controller at the time, h. carl mccall. so all of a sudden he discovers law enforcement shooting unarmed police? it is clearly for him to try and in some way get around this insurrection, get around this attempted coup d'etat, and to misuse the death of this woman to try and in some way castigate those officers and not deal with the fact that they in fact were dealing with an insurrection to stop the legitimate certification of the vote of the american people. and it's certainly something that is totally contrary to his record as the mayor of new york and the rest of his life. he always said don't question police, even when they kill unarmed people. >> i mean, michael daly, you've covered rudy giuliani. it was so bad that there were people who felt that he was so much more in favor of police th

and mentions a private two-hour meeting with giuliani and the trump-legal team. in november, fann writes she asked the trump-legal team to, please, file a lawsuit to halt vote certification in the state. she tells another voter, last december, about a personal call from president trump thanking us for pushing to prove any fraud. but fann wasn't the only elected official who received calls from the trump orbit. maricopa county board supervisor, bill gates, got a voice mail on christmas day, 2020, from then-trump lawyer rudy giuliani. >> maybe, we can get this thing fixed up.

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and i think the rudy giuliani story strikes me the most, that here's giuliani telling the president,o on the airwaves and just say you won shows me that giuliani, who has been disbarred from new york, should be disbarred from being considered a good american citizen because that kind of behavior by giuliani is just beyond the pale. but also, don, one other thing. the foreign policy aspect of this, the pompeo story, the thought that trump may have -- and many people in the pentagon were worried he might do a wag the dog type of thing, strike at iran or some country and then pull back and say, i can't leave. we're in the middle of this. so it's frightening literature, at times funny. but the three books together are the opening salvos of what i would call big lie studies. there's more to come. this was a moment when our democracy was in deep peril and was worse than even we thought, and that was pretty bad. >> charlie, let me just read to you what doug just mentioned. it's from the leonnig and the rucker book about the birth of the big lie on election night. then i'll get your response

let's transition to giuliani here. this is serious stuff that you write about and you're alleging here. you write of rudy giuliani that he was a pariah in some ways within trump world. staffers believed giuliani was buzzed, nearly all of the time, that he had significant memory problems and lived in a vast world of data and technology disorganization, and indeed that he was one of the root causes of the trump administration's failures. >> many more than one person very close to the president would say to me that this -- that it's on rudy, the failures of this administration, the absurdities of this administration, rudy was the toxic center. i mean, i think it was rudy plus the president. but yes, it's these two men, both of them in their own way having departed reality, who are at the center of -- who have been at the center of this country for the last four years. >> you write of giuliani, you mention of giuliani in other places, what do you think it is that drives him, i have heard you say it's desperation. >> i thin

just say we won, giuliani told them. same thing in pennsylvania, just say we won pennsylvania, giuliani said. his grand plan was to just say trump won state after state, based on nothing. stepien, miller and meadows thought his argument was both incoherent and irresponsible. we can't do that, meadows said, raising his voice. we can't. the book then details how trump ordered his advisers to call top executives and hosts at fox news to push back at its projection that joe biden had won the state of arizona. trump was livid. the book claims. adding quote he could not fathom that the conservative news network he had long considered an extension of his campaign was the first news organization to call arizona for biden. then giuliani reenters the scene, he pushed the president to forget about arizona, to forget about the arizona call and just say he won. to step into the east room and deliver a victory speech. never mind that meadows had earlier snapped at giuliani and said the president couldn't just declare himself the winne

new tonight rudy giuliani law license is suspended in washington d.c. after the president former personal lawyer saw his license suspended in new york. for pushing the big lie of election fraud. >> the only submitted 8,021 ballots from dead people. mail in ballots for dead people. easier for dead people to submit mail in ballots than vote in person. we cannot allow crooks to steal an election from the american people. >> let's have trial by combat. >> the appeals court saying the man once known as america's mayor would be suspended from working as an attorney in the city. pending the out come of the situation in new york. we have much more on that. and it comes as on capitol hill, kevin mccarthy doing everything is deciding to put republicans on the committee. almost certainly to include some trump allies. meanwhile a new book quotes the then president of the united states praising hitler. while on a trip to paris to commemorate the end of world war i. the inside story of how trump lost by the "wall street journal." trump reportedly told then white hous

oh right, rudy giuliani. [ laughter ] so who knows maybe cohen's wrong and rudy will end up fine likeut i just can't imagine the feds raiding rudy giuliani's home and office and finding nothing incriminating. i mean, forget ukraine and quid pro quos, he's probably got a fridge full of white fish he stole from zabar's or a sink full of unpaid parking tickets he tried to stuff into the garbage disposal, only to remember he doesn't have one he's probably breaking all kinds of co-op board rules, too, especially with that welcome mat. and you know he probably has neighbors that are happy to rat on him, maybe a guy who, and i'm just spitballing here, is in a bath robe and a yankee's hat, he's eating a bagel. "hey, you guys looking at rudy's apartment? [ laughter ] yeah okay, because last week, you know, he woke me up at 3:00 a.m. yeah, he asked me to hold his bitcoin for him in case the cops came it was just a duffel bag of old subway tokens. i'll show you. did you know he married his cousin?" [ laughter ] one sign that the investigation is serious is that federal agents seized his electron

>> there's a difference between trump world and giuliani and trump and giuliani.who are very, very tired of giuliani and tired of his antics. blame him for both impeachments, not just one. the former president has his own sort of, you know, historic relationship with giuliani that i think factors into his thinking. the former president actually got very angry at how and -- according to a number of people, at how giuliani's son, andrew, running for governor in new york, was sort of suggesting to people, to reporters, to others that he has had a productive meeting with the former president and implying that an endorsement could be in the offing. i noticed he cleaned that up lately. that has not helped the relationship. it's certainly not what it was. it's not nothing. it probably never will be nothing because donald trump very rarely closes the door on anyone entirely, but it's strained. >> maggie haberman, great to see you. >>> two weeks before the olympics, a state of morning has been declared in tokyo due to coronavirus. that happened moments ago. what this means

after a while rudy giuliani started to cause a commotion. and was trying to get into the president's private quarters to tell him about it. some people thought giuliani may have been drinking too much and suggested to bill that he go to talk to the former new york mayor. they took rudy giuliani down to a room off the map room to hear him out. what is happening in michigan, he asked. they said it was too early to tell, votes were still being counted. giuliani told them, just say we won, same thing in pennsylvania. so the big lie we thought was coming from the president, but maybe a boozie giuliani started it on election night? >> yes, and by telling donald trump things that he is inclined to hear, but it is directly related to what we talked about in the first subject, which is if you are just going to say "we won," it doesn't matter what the reason is or what the justification is, you are starting from the conclusion and you are going to make up stuff afterwards. so they -- you know, there had been speculation before the election that trump

one of those was obviously rudy giuliani, longtime associate of the president, how did rudy giulianib postelection in the white house? >> i think a lot of the people around the president, for one thing, they were always trying to get him out so that was one of the priorities the terms white house or the people who flip the president was to keep him out. they didn't trust him because, for a full array of regions was among them. his incredible disorganization, the fact that he would say almost anything the president wanted to hear. essentially is desperation to do anything to be back in the spotlight and many people blamed rudy giuliani for most of the terrible things including the first impeachment of the president that happened in the trump administration so there was a real card, card posted to keep rudy out but a combination of factors mostly having to do with the fact that the president is always looking for someone to say what he wants to hear and at the end of the day after it had become clear to everyone around the president that he's lost the election, this was clear by the el

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host: what is the relationship between rudy giuliani and donald trump today? guest: they don't speak. rudy is not even allowed to call the president. this has happened multiple times over the last four years. rudy is allowed in, makes a mess, and then it is pushed back out. also, rudy wants money from the president. so no matter who you are, how loyal you have been, how much -- the president might be -- once you start saying that he pay you, then his mood changes. host: let's go to jim, mulberry tennessee, independent line. jim in tennessee, go ahead. caller: yes, i would like to say that i agree with mr. wolff, and i have a comment. i would like to say that donald trump started out his presidency saying that mexico would pay for the wall, and he was wrong about that. so then he said he was going to just tax mexican products, and he was wrong about that. so he switched to health care and said he would repeal and replace obamacare. and he was wrong, and wrong about that. then he said he would found -- that he would possibly pay it off -- seriously wrong again.

nonetheless, trump went on to do apparently what giuliani suggested.result in trump staying in the white house, but it did result in the big lie. it resulted in the dozens of new state election laws we're seeing. it resulted in the insurrection. who should be ultimately held accountable here? >> that's what the court proceedings find out. but certainly donald trump is the one who has been talking about it the most. and there is a barrage of information from three books that have come out about the last days of the trump administration including one where the republican national committee's chief lawyer is saying that the suits they were filing was a joke. but the chickens are coming home to roost. look at the audit in arizona which appears to be severely off track, and that's going to provide both a forum for trump to prove his charges, but also then for people to delve into the accuracy of it. in michigan where this court case was held yesterday, a republican senate committee did an exhaustive investigation of the trump allocations, allegations and fo

we've reached out to rudy giuliani for comment and are still waiting. we just heard from former president trump's team, quote, it's no surprise that maricopa county election officials had no desire to look into significant irregularities during the election. they've refused to be open and honest about the presidential election, stonewalling a forensic audit for months, hiding voting equipment from voters to this day. what do they have to hide? reaction to this, democrat katie hobbs, who is running for governor. welcome to "prime time." does any of this surprise you? >> no, it's not surprising. it's just -- it's so maddening. we knew this was happening in georgia. we suspected there were some attempts to undermine the election here, and now we have it clearly in tapes. and, you know, arizona law makes it clear that interfering in election is against the law, and that is exactly what this appears to be. >> do you hear interference in those giuliani voice mail messages? is there anything proper about doing that if he's representing the president and feels

just say we won pennsylvania, giuliani said.ing. meadows thought his argument was both incoherent and irresponsible. shocking, but not surprising. and now very consequential, given the insurrection. >> yeah, poppy. when lying is normalized, sadly it started at the top with president trump, i mean, these kinds of things are going to occur. and the consequence, of course, is that now our fellow citizens can't agree on facts, and the casualty is the truth. but when leaders lie or enable lying, this is the kind of thing that happens. and it's truly tragic that we are having these conversations, that our country is so divided. our democratic process is being undermined. the election by many of our citizens is considered to be illegitimate. it was not. it's because leaders are lying about it. and here is just more proof of that based on that transcript from the book. >> there is another story in here about trump's own campaign manager trying to explain to him that, yes, early in-person voting counts will likely favor him, but that mai

michael wolff was really giuliani. a longtime associate of the president. -- for one thing, they were always trying to keep him out, so that was one of the priorities of the trump white house, or the people who worked for the president, was to keep rudy out. they didn't trust him for a full array of reasons, among them his drinking, his incredible disorganization. the fact that he would say almost anything that the president wanted to hear. essentially his desperation to do anything to be back in the spotlight. many people blame rudy giuliani for most of the terrible things, including the impeachment of the president, that happened in the trump administration. so there was a real -- you know, a real guard against -- posted to keep rudy out. but a combination of factors, mostly having to do with the fact that the president is always looking for someone to say what he wants to hear, and at the end of the day, after it had become clear to everyone around the president that he had lost the election, and this was clear -- t

have a great evening. >> rudy giuliani reached tout multiple election supervisors. >> rudy giuliani,esolve this that comes out well for everybody. we all have the same goal. let's see if we can get it done outside of the court. >> we are all republicans, let's see if we can get it done. that's not how democracy is supposed to work. >> joining me now is the official calling for the new investigation, katie hobbs, arizona's secretary of state and candidate for governor. thank you so much secretary hobbs, what inspired you to call for this investigation? it would have to be taken care of by the state's general, what person is a republican, correct? >> yes, he's a republican that took the same oath i did in the state of arizona. what we have seen here appears to be clear leviulating laws and clearly calling for interference into the election and warrants furtherinvestigation. regardless of anyone's party that's involved in this. >> i want to play you some sound that we have of the arizona republican party chair also talking about what's going on here in the state and get your thoughts on

rudy giuliani never would allege in federal court widespread voter fraud. all these judges -- trump appointed judges laughed these people out of court in a minute. and still that conspiracy theory still holds. here's another example, is it not, of all the institutions that may have buckled under donald trump, our federal court system remains strong. >> yeah. you know, thank heavens for the federal court system because it did remain strong throughout this entire disgraceful process. like you, i'm surprised that this hearing didn't happen in march or april as opposed to in july. but it's really important. it's important because federal courts are not -- are not to be trifled with with just out and out lies. with rumor and comment section nonsense. the way that rudy giuliani and lynn wood and sidney powell did, and they are officers of the court. they are -- they have a responsibility and a duty not to do what they did. and i just hope that they face the most severe punishment possible, because it's -- it's just important for the nation to see this. to underst

giuliani did not respond to cnn about the book.portrays a president isolated after the election. quote, by the friday after election day, there was not a single trump aide or white house official or pollster who believed that the election could be effectively challenged. >> he is a man alone. his lawyers are saying, we're not going to do this. we're not going to fight these cases. >> reporter: and wolfe writes that as the attack on the capitol raged january 6, the president seemed not to be grasping the facts as they were coming through. these people were protesting the election, he was still repeating at 2:30. the president wanted them to do the right thing. these were protesters, his protesters. >> well, the president has responded generally to all three books releasing a statement of the authors saying, they write whatever they want to write, anyway, without sores, fact checking or skw whether or not an event is true or false. frankly, so many stories are made up or pure fiction. >>> now, i want to bring you in with dennis brink

he knows giuliani is drunk. he knows giuliani -- >> because the president doesn't like drinking. >> all kind of sort of focus problems. he knows he's a mess, but that doesn't make any difference because the key thing is -- is who will say what the president wants to hear. he's always shopping for that. and at the end of the day in this situation when no one would say what the president wanted to hear except rudy. >> are you surprised that the former president spoke to you? i mean, he obviously -- didn't he threaten to see you after your first book. your first book had incredible details in it. they denied -- >> he tried to stop the publication of my book. the only time in the history of the republic that a president of the united states has tried to stop a book from being published. >> were you surprised he agreed to speak, or was it in character he wants to try to control the narrative? >> i'll tell you this. so i had been speaking to people around the president, and one of them reported to him that i was doing

cole did most of the talking for the lawyers and like rudy giuliani before him, he lied. >> this suitut freedom of speech. we're going to prove that they are government actors. therefore, the first amendment does apply. >> everything you just heard him say is a lie. social media companies are not government actors. this is not about freedom of speech. it is not about the first amendment. the question for attorney john coale is how much more lying is he willing to do for donald trump? the same officials who took away rudy giuliani's license to practice law in washington today have authority over john p. coale's license to practice law, and they have learned to watch trump lawyers very closely. minutes after that press conference, donald trump immediately sent out a plea to his followers to send him money to help pay his new lawyers. joining us now, tim o'brien for bloomberg opinion, the author of the book trump nation. and you were sued by donald trump back when you were a "new york times" reporter. and to put it, the quick end of the story is you won that lawsuit. it was a huge mistak

some people thought giuliani may have been drinking too much. steppian, meadows and miller, jason miller, took giuliani down to a room just off the map room in the white house to hear him out. giuliani went state dib i state. what's happening in michigan, he asked? they said it was too early to tell. votes were still being counted. just say we won, giuliani told them. same thing in pennsylvania. just say we won pennsylvania. so, look, we know trump and co.were all in on the lie from jump. here's what we don't know. here's what the current president just made the bar -- can biden pass what he calls the test of our time? can he stop the wave of restrictive laws? the gop has already enacted 28 new laws in 17 states. they remove, reduce, and restrict what was allowed in this past election. why? why else but to suppress the amount of turnout that we just had in this election, particularly the black vote. there are also restrictive bills waiting for action in 48 states. look, we know there is no proof of fraud. you saw the cpac guy here imagining ther

in the city he was mayor of, rudy giuliani can no longer practice law.nd if last year has proven anything, it's that when it comes to law, rudy needs a lot of practice. ( laughter) giuliani was america's mayor. before that, he was the crusading federal prosecutor who busted up la cosa nostra. now, he's lost his career. how's he gonna eat? and more likely, drink? ( laughter) if he needs cash, he could always sell the fracking rights to his skull. ( laughter) ♪ upfrom the ground came a bubbling crudeer)ed his defense of his father. >> i am infuriated by all of this, and any american that believes in an independent justice system, this is going after one of president trump's closest allies. >> stephen: and furthermore-- ( cheers and applause) furthermore, the justice system framed this camera angle to make me look like an angry leprechaun-- now give me back me lucky charms! sorry, rudy-tooty, you were saying? >> i stand by my father. he did everything ultimately by the book. >> stephen: it's nice that he stands by his father. but next time, he might want st

. >> rudy giuliani also left a voicemail for hickman. then on the night of january 3rd, the day trump's call with georgia's secretary of state was published, the man in charge of the maricopa county election got this voice mail. >> hello, sir. this is the white house operator. i was calling to let you know that the president's available to take your call if you're free. if you could please give us a call back, sir, that would be great. you have a good evening. >> trump has never stopped that pressure campaign. it was a multi-pronged effort that included pressuring elected officials, storming the capitol, and now passing restrictive

this is rudy giuliani essentially saying the exact same thing in arizona.ells me, victor, is this was part of a coordinated effort by donald trump and rudy giuliani to interfere with and overturn the election results in those two states and potentially elsewhere. these are crimes. let's be clear. it's a federal crime. it's a georgia crime, an arizona crime to try to convince an official to count votes that were not actually cast or not to count votes that were actually cast. this is serious stuff. we know the d.a. in georgia is investigating, and now we have to see whether the authorities, the prosecutors in arizona do the same thing. i think they ought to. >> the more we -- the more evidence that comes out and the more we hear about this pressure campaign to overturn donald trump's election loss, you realize the intestinal fortitude and steel spine it took for these local election officials to not return the call of the president of the united states or his attorney. and by the way, now, as we know, there are all of these laws in all of these various state

disturbances under rudy giuliani because he was policy.uy who throws a rock, he goes to jail. that's what happened. second guy who throws a bottle, he goes to jail, too. what you think happens to the third guy? the answer is that think because there isn't a third guy and there's no riots because the first two are in jail. these are real people, real lives living in these cities descending. we randomly pulled an article by the name of crystal, gunned down by her boyfriend three months after giving birth. is anyone even asking? folks, every single life out there matters. this isn't a matter of partisan politics, this is a matter of real people with real lives being gunned down, mugged, burglarized in their own city in live time. people with family, this is not a statistic. what about the crime that gets police officers? 150 officers shot 28 officers killed by gunfire, 51 shot ambushed. i did an appearance once and i said to ainsley when she asked me about what was like to be a police officer and i said you know, one of the worst parts is you

one of those michael wolf was rudy giuliani longtime associate of the president. highly coming to postelection. in the white house? >> i think that bewildered a lot of people around the president. for one thing they were always trying to keep them out. that was one of the priorities of the trump white house the people who worked for the president. they did not trust him for a full array of reasons. not among them is drinking incredible disorganization. the fact he would say anything he wanted to hear the desperation to do anything to be back in the spotlight. many people blamed rudy giuliani for most of the terrible things including the impeachment of the president. so there was a real guard against guard posted to keep rudy out. after that had become clear to everyone around the president election was on tuesday, but friday it was clear to everyone. by the end of the day it was only rudy he was willing to say no mr. president you actually won the election. and they have just stolen it from you. that is how rudy largely ate drunken rudy came back into the white ho

just say we won, giuliani told them. same thing in pennsylvania. just say we won pennsylvania.od, rudy must have been an annoying kid. you're playing tag and you get him on the shoulder, but instead of admitting it, he says nuh uh, at a press conference next to a dildo store. ( laughter ) ( applause ) next to. not in front of next to. campaign officials shot the idea down, but after fox news called arizona for biden, giuliani advised the former president just go declare victory right now. you've got to go declare victory now. it's an age old strategy. after a devastating loss, just say you won. reminds of this climactic scene. ♪ >> i'm the winner! ( cheers and applause ) >> stephen: sure. redemption for vader. of course, the big election lie led directly to the january 6th capitol riot. the fbi continues to bring those folks to justice. i'll give you the latest in tonight's seditionist round-up roundup. roundup. >> you're udder arrest! laugh >> stephen: first up, pennsylvania native and guy who can't understand how the rival paintball team spotted his head in the bushes, robert

it was the source of the giuliani break up on the fact that didn't want to corp. clinical purposes share the credit with all the people at the nypd who were developing what he was grading -- getting so much credit for but all those books that help the umbrella were developed within the nypd but for political purposes to be elected for a second term he felt they think unjustifiably affect credit was shared and would not help him in his re-election and i think it would have helped him in his re-election and it caused us to start butting heads and once again i got bounced out of a job. >> host: i think one of your strong suits in its come through not just from this conversation but conversations we have had is that you'd do build strong teams and you recognize talent and you put that talent where he can do the most good and gives people a chance to show what they can do. again airily experiences with -- and that an it's funny we look back on a career of those things at the time you appreciate that you don't fully understand the significance of it until later on and y

one would have to ask whether barrack or giuliani or others in the situation ever bothered to consult with lawyers as to whether they might be in jeopardy doesn't appear they did. >> which is pretty shocking because these are sophisticated players. these are people who they deal with international people and governments and businesses and one would think they would have lawyers but let me ask you, ambassador, we don't know what trump knew. do you think that trump was aware of barrack's alleged activities because obviously, if you look at the president's actions, right, he was very clearly took a side in the whole spat between qatar and the uae and took that early trip to saudi arabia. you know, his actions were very clearly on one side of a regional spat. it was the side. do you think the president knew what barrack was doing? >> i think that's a question we can't tell from the indictment but it's important because it goes to the question who was using who here? whether trump was using barrack than he was lobbying for actual clients. look, this dispute between the members of the gulf

just go declare victory right now, giuliani told trump, you've got to go declare victory now.cans will run on trump's big lie in the 2022 midterms. "washington post" opinion columnist greg sargent writes, quote, telling the gop base an absurd, lurid, emotionally charged fiction is central to gop midterm homes. the trump era represented an idyllic age. victimization will move republicans to storm out to avenge it all. joining us now, michelle goldberg, megan malloy. megan, hayes brown writes for msnbc daily. he wrote, time and again the political creatures in trump's orbit kept silent until it was too late to do anything. i'm still fuming over former national security adviser john bolton's decision not to testify in trump's first impeachment trial only to confirm that all the charges against trump were true in his tell-all book which was released over a year later. similarly, it seems like maybe, just maybe, a lot of the information provided off the record in these books might have been useful for senators in the second impeachment trial. on the flip side, we're seeing gop lawm

one of those michael wolf was rudy giuliani longtime associate of the president.coming to postelection. in the white house? >> i think that bewildered a lot of people around the president. for one thing they were always trying to keep them out. that was one of the priorities of the trump white house the people who worked for the president. they did not trust him for a full array of reasons. not among them is drinking incredible disorganization. the fact he would say anything he wanted to hear the desperation to do anything to be back in the spotlight. many people blamed rudy giuliani for most of the terrible things including the impeachment of the president. so there was a real guard against guard posted to keep rudy out. after that had become clear to everyone around the president election was on tuesday, but friday it was clear to everyone. by the end of the day it was only rudy he was willing to say no mr. president you actually won the election. and they have just stolen it from you. that is how rudy largely ate drunken rudy came back into the white house for

just go declare victory right now, giuliani told trump. you've got to go declare victory now. you can bet republicans will run on trump's big lie in the 2022 midterms. telling the gop base an absurd, lured, emotionally charged fiction is central to gop midterm hopes. the trump era represented an idyllic age that has been torn asunder from republican voters who in their fury, depravation, should storm out to avenge it all. how dangerous is donald trump's republican party despite losing fair and square? joining us now though discuss, msnbc contributor and "new york times" columnist michelle goldberg and megyn malloy, director of republican women for progress. megan, haze brown writes about those close to trump speaking out now to journalists instead of voicing concerns publicly. brown writes, quote, time and again the political creatures in trump's orbit kept silent until it was too late to do anything. i'm still fuming over former national security adviser button bolton not testifying, only to confirm it was all true in his tell-all book released a year later. similarly, it see

just go declare victory right now, giuliani told trump, you have to declare victory now. of his just say you won strategy infuriated trump campaign advisers. >> these two old guys pressed together trying to determine what is really going on in the world, and they don't get it. they don't get what is unfolding around them. >> reporter: rudy giuliani did not respond to cnn's request for comments. another book by michael wolf portrays a president isolated right after the election. quote, by the friday after election day, there was not a single white house aide or trump campaign official or trump polster who believed that the vote count could be reasonably or effectively challenged. >> he is a man alone, his lawyers are saying we're not going to do this, we're not going to fight these cases. >> reporter: and wolf writes that as the attack on the capitol raged onnen d january president seemed to not be grasping the facts as they were coming through. these people were protesting the election he was still repeating as late as 2:30, protestors wanted pence to do the right thing,

quote, just go declare victory right now giuliani told trump.now. giuliani's interjection of his just say you won strategy infuriated trump's campaign advisers. >> these two old guys trying to determine what's really going on in the world, and they don't get it. >> rudy giuliani did not respond to cnn's request for comment. another book by michael wolf portrays a president isolated right after the election. quote, by the friday after election day, there was not a single white house aid or trump campaign official or trump pollster who believed that the vote count could be reasonably or effectively challenged. >> he is a man alone. his lawyers are saying we're not going to -- we're not going to do this. we're not going to fight these cases. >> and wolf rights that as the attack on the capital raged on january 6th, quote, the president seemed to not be grasping the facts as they were coming through. these people were protesting the election he was still repeating as late as 2:30. the protesters wanted pence to do the right thing. these were good pr

this is a phone call from trump's attorney rudy giuliani to an election supervisor in maricopa countyto play that for you and get your sense legally what this shows. >> you're with rudy giuliani, mr. trump's lawyer. if you get a chance, i would like to get you called. maybe we could get this thing fixed up. it is a shame that republicans sort of are involved in this kind of situation and i think that there may be a nice way to resolve this for everybody. >> situation being trump losing that state. based on the account and since audited account and that kind of thing. legally, i mean one are there any circumstance where's the personal lawyer of a candidate in election be calling a election official in the midst to say he has a solution. >> i think the key quote from rudy giuliani there is when he said let's see if there is a way we could get this thing fixed up. this is outrageous stuff, jim, and it is important that we keep focus on this because all of the focus has been on the indictment of trump organization. that is important. but that doesn't have anything to do with the political

just say we won pennsylvania, giuliani said.is grand plan was to just say trump won state after state based on nothing. so, there were advisers who were apparently saying facts, truth, at least to each other, i don't know about to the president. and then you had rudy with this crazy plan. >> well, just say things also seems to have been giuliani's legal strategy in the post-election litigation. [ laughter ] so that's a very plausible account. you think of this, or at least i do, in terms of the former president's repeated inclination to just sort of try out lies and see how they go over. and you can sort of see him saying they're stealing the election from me, i won it in a landslide, just to see how it would go over in the room and then try it again on the post-campaign stump. and i think that's exactly what he did. >> i want to talk about president biden's big speech today because he pretty forcefully went after the big lie, the lie that we're just talking about here. but he's also trying to, i mean, and critics would say conf