rudy giuliani was brought down by rudy giuliani.uld name high schools after him. they would rename laguardia airport after him. he would go down as a complex, weird, funny, strange, highly accomplished guy, who at two key inflection points in history, stood up and offered powerful leadership. that man's gone, unfortunately. it's tragic. [rousing musical sting] - we are at a historic conundrum the likes of which i never thought i would see... [crowd shouting] in my lifetime. - we still do not know the outcome of yesterday's vote. - sometimes it seems we share a continent

rudy giuliani was brought down by rudy giuliani.♪ - if rudy had left public life either after 9/11 or after 2008, when he dies in a few years, they would name high schools after him. they would rename laguardia airport after him. he would go down as a complex, weird, funny, strange, highly accomplished guy, who at two key inflection points in history, stood up and offered powerful leadership. that man's gone, unfortunately. it's tragic.

he needed giuliani and giuliani needed trump, because nobody was calling giuliani for his endorsementump. >> do you think that's why giuliani was so willing to do what trump -- i mean, he went to ukraine and looked into all that. trump was telling people in ukraine -- ukrainian officials -- talk to rudy giuliani, instead of the attorney general. like, you work with the justice department. trump put him put him in charge of going in pushing's election lies. rudy giuliani did all of that and then some. >> giuliani, after all of trump's election lawyers, campaign lawyers, united states attorney general had told trump that he had lost the election, there was only one man telling him he had one, and that was rudy giuliani. and that, of course, predictably, he put rudy giuliani in charge of the election situation with when trying to turn around the race. giuliani was there with trump when they turned off the lights at the white house. the last man standing telling standing telling him that he had still won. the trump the fact that trump is not telling paying his legal bills -- it's remarkab

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what does he do here, rudy giuliani? >> if he was being super careful, he would cut ties with anyone who is a witness or a potential victim in this case. i do think that as long as they're not discussing the case, i don't know that that would violate any of the conditions. how does that get policeded? it is probably a natural question. the answer is it is an imperfect process. judges and police are the only ones who can police it. so i think rudy giuliani will have to walk a pretty narrow tight rope as will donald trump as well. if people are wondering about these numbers, $200,000 for trump, $150,000 for rudy. they don't have to post all of that in cash. typically you have to post 10%. there are ways in georgia you can find a surety without posting any of it. if you're wondering how they arrive at these numbers, it is based on the numbers but it is negotiated between the prosecutor and the defense attorney. you come to a number that will be reasonable to ensure that the person comes back. that's how they came at this $1

he needed giuliani. and giuliani needed trump.was calling giuliani for his endorsement except for trump. >> do you think that's why giuliani was so willing to do what trump, i mean, he went to ukraine and looked into all that. trump was telling people in ukraine, ukraine officials, talk to rudy giuliani. like he worked at the justice department. trump put him in charge of that you aring all his election lies. rudy did all that and some. >> after all of trump's election lawyers, campaign lawyers, the united states attorney general had told trump that he had lost the election. there was only one man telling him he had won and that was rudy giuliani. and of course, predictably, he put giuliani in charge of the election situation when trying to turn around the race. i mean, giuliani was there with trump when they turned off the lights at the white house. the last man standing, telling him he had still won. the fact that trump was not paying his legal bills. it's remarkable. it's remarkable. >> it's not really surprising. that is trump

here's rudy giuliani. let's take a listen. news here's rudy giuliani let's take a listen. >> the american people. >> not getting a mic into that. vaughn hillyard is there. can we hear anything? vaughn, can you hear me? >> reporter: and the reality is -- >> can we get a statement. >> if they can do this to me, they can do this to you. remember, three years ago, the fbi raided my apartment. and they investigated me for two and a half years. 20 years of my life they investigated and wrote a letter to the grand jury, they couldn't find a single crime. so that should have pretty much cleared me, don't you think, except for this ridiculous case in which i'm being prosecuted for defending an american citizen. who i do as a lawyer, and five other lawyers are indicted. that should tell you right away that this is an assault on our constitution. fani willis, will go down in american history as having conducted one of the worst attacks on the american constitution ever when this case is dismissed. she has violated people's first amendmen

. >> the first time he was mayor rudy, now he's king giuliani. >> giuliani was just starting to wear on the public of new york. >> giuliani want to take everything and there is no peace, you know? >> the city was ready to move on, was ready to turn the page from the giuliani years. ♪ >> manhattan is like no place else in the world. in new york what you see is, first of all, you see a natural wonder of buildings. you know? it's like the pyramids. the buildings dwarf you. the buildings remind you of how unimportant you are because you're so tiny. >> in this big, incredible city, when you see it, it makes you want to come and see it. it makes you curious about it. it makes it something bigger than life. >> i have strong feelings about new york, everything that makes up new york. we're the crossroads of the world. this is the center of the universe. i mean, there's no place that gets more people from more different places. you sort of get like a view of the whole world by just standing there and walking around. it's really my deep passion, the love for the people of this city and the lov

and as giuliani came onto the scene and then became mayor, he said very aptly that giuliani was a belovedtch. lots of people who couldn't stand him came around to a real sense of endearment with him because he got some things done that were important and that substantially changed the city for the better. - he's an extraordinarily complex individual, smart, smart, smart, hard-, hard-, hardworking. - he had a little bit of-- not a little bit. he had a lot of kind of a superman complex, that, you know, he could do anything. - my real ambition was someday to be united states attorney in the southern district of new york, which i finally attained. - the u.s. attorney's office of the southern district is the most prestigious in the country. and rudy giuliani made a major mark in new york city shortly after he arrived in the role. - i was very fortunate to find something that i can do that i have some natural talent for and that engages my interests and that i enjoy. i enjoy working as a lawyer. - there's probably nothing more challenging to a up-and-coming litigator than trying cases. you are

trump needed giuliani because he didn't have any political friends, and giuliani needed trump because no one was knocking at giuliani's door anymore to endorse them. they each had a lot of reason to bond together. they like each other. they like each other a lot. they respect each other. >> enough to go to jail? >> well, it goes back to what i said about giuliani and morality. everything in giuliani's mind is about right and wrong. and that's one of the fascinating things about giuliani to me is that he preaches right and wrong, even when what he does is deeply immoral. and so i think that, you know, that's what drives him. >> jay thom, i think if you asked anyone in the '80s and now, they would tell you, that rudy giuliani is expert on rico cases, and yet, he talked about the rico statute and fani willis's decision to use it, i think this is yesterday or the day before, take a listen. >> this is a ridiculous application of the racketeering statute. there's probably no one that knows it better than i do. probably some that know it as well. i was the first one to use it in white collar

look at rudy giuliani. he's responsible for two impeachments and now a major rico indictment, not to mention the other i also -- >> a major rico indictment. the booking we show second down brand new. wanted to begin with you on the law. nick akerman, thank you so much. >> appreciate it. >>> let me tell viewers what's coming up. james carville standing by. mug shot we just showed. in the courthouse today. nine rico codefendants have turned themselves in. you can see who's been booked. we have tried to update standard photos with new booking photos. you can see that with photos and shots of who's booked. here's rico defendant john eastman. now one of the indicted defendants that lined up at the fulton county jail to be booked. here's the mug shot for kenneth cheseboro. he wanted to overthrow president-elect biden's win in december. he showed up at the capitol on january 6th. now booked on $100,000 bond. lawyer sidney powell also surrendered today. this is her new mug shot. indicted for schemes to breach votin

we are talking about rudy giuliani.rico very well and if anyone should know to stop talking it should be rudy giuliani, and yet here we are. >> he's not the only attorney talking and there are a heck of a lot of attorneys who are charged in this case, and no shade to attorney, but i hear that they could be the worst kind of defendants. i want to ask you about john eastman. you know better than i do, but that's what i hear. >> doctors are horrible patients, right? it's not just that. doctors are horrible patients, so there you go. >> to be fair, but john eastman has also said -- come out and spoken -- actually, i'm going to hold on one second because we have a little bit of news for you. giuliani's plane, the plane that we believe giuliani is in as he has flown from new york into atlanta, landed there, going along the strip there. he will have to, of course, do the whole thing and get off the plane and get in the car and go down to the jail, but that is believed to be giuliani landing there in atlanta as he prepares to n

giuliani is coming to atlanta in part to talk with the d.a.'s office to possibly enter into a consent order for bandond. we could see what amounts maybe assigned to the various charges that he has been named in. that could range anywhere from $10,000 to as much as $80,000, that we saw for the former president for the rico charge. i don't know if would be that high, but again, those would be discussions that the d.a. and the defense lawyers would have amongst themselves and present some sort of agreement or or recommendations to the judge. >> elliot, what are you looking for? >> i'm looking for how quickly they can come to some sort of agreement as to the terms here. i know the reporting before had said that rudy giuliani intended to wrap this all up in a day, but frankly, court proceedings take a long time. negotiations take a long time. what are the terms that they are going to be able to get rudy giuliani's to agree to. starting with the dollar amount, number two, the terms of his release, but also restrictions on speech or comments or other

but trump today reacting to giuliani's surrender on social media basically saying that giuliani was the greatest mayor in new york history. it's a sad day for the country. what you would expect from trump. how do you feel? >> i do know the former head of the republican party david schaefer beat him to become the nominee for lieutenant governor a few years ago. in a matter of a few days we are seeing the seriousness of this case. you have so many folks that are indicted. you have coconspiracies unnamed. you have got 48 people fighting for freedom. nobody has allegiance to donald trump. watching this fundraising apparatus that donald trump is trying to wrap around some individuals is an attempt to try to keep them on his team. look, this is -- i think there is also an interesting strategy. everybody has their own lanes, own defense mechanisms. but nobody is doubling down on this is 100% true. here is the folder of facts. i have a box of -- >> the only person doing that is trump. >> well, absolutely. the other folks are fighting for their freedom. they are not running for president. >> you

what more do we know about giuliani?t we didn't even think he had a lawyer in georgia. >> reporter: yeah, it looks like he will have someone to help him through the steps of the process today coming into the fulton county courthouse to negotiate with the district attorney to make sure he has some sort of bond agreement and can be processed at the jail, arrested, potentially have his mugshot taken, likely fingerprinted, all of those things so it goes smoothly. he would be one of the additional people we are waiting on to have his bond agreement reached and be arrested. but he clearly one of the most famous people aside from donald trump himself to be a defendant in this case, a highly recognize figure. what rudy giuliani wants to do, victor and poppy, that we have heard through our reporting from our colleagues paula reid and zach cohen is that he wants to get all of his business done in one day here in fulton county. so he wants to come in to the courthouse complex to negotiate his agreement for bond for release so he do

prosecutors charging giuliani using a very similar statute giuliani once used to go after mob bosses in new york. well, here are the mug shots tonight. from left to right, lawyer jenna ellis, then giuliani, of course, and then lawyer sidney powell, who authorities say pushed the conspiracy theory that voting machines were controlled by venezuela on election night, by leader hugo chavez who, by the way, was dead. all of them booked and charged today in fulton county. tomorrow, donald trump will turn himself in, after asking the secretary of state in georgia to find the 11,780 votes for him. here's our senior investigative correspondent aaron katersky in atlanta tonight. >> reporter: tonight, the man once known as america's mayor swarmed by reporters as he left the fulton county jail after he had his mug shot taken like a common criminal. >> this indictment is a travesty. >> reporter: today, many asking what happened to rudy giuliani. >> people like to say i'm different. i'm the same rudy giuliani that took down the mafia. >> reporter: but giuliani is now charged with the same crime he

giuliani for your work?n't want to get into any attorney-client privilege or discussions about things that my client and i have discussed. >> the reason i ask is because our reporting here and his own other attorney in a different case new york, adam catz, acknowledged in court he has financial difficulties. >> right. well, i have gotten this question 100 times today as we walked to the court, the jail, everywhere else. my answer is the same. i am not going to disclose that. i don't discuss my clients' finances or arrangements in any of my cases and this is no different. >> i guess part of this was -- i mean, we heard from his attorney talking about how he couldn't afford certain legal fees that he has. i mean, how is he able to post the bond today? >> you would have to talk to his people about the finances. i know that they used a surety bond, second chance bond, and he posted it. usually you post a fraction of the percentage and the bonding company posts the rest of that. so you use a bonding company, you

the case made giuliani famous. now a version of that same law, georgia's rico statute, a version of that law could be rudy giuliani's downfall. of all the indictments former president trump faces one of the things that makes yesterday's unique is how many other defendants there are. because it was a rico case trump was indicted along with 18 other codefendants. 19 people, 19 all charged with being part of a criminal enterprise just like how giuliani charged the commission in the 1980s. and last night fulton county d.a. fani willis made clear she intends to try this whole criminal enterprise together. >> do i intend to try the 19 defendants in this indictment together? yes. >> now, we have seen plenty of high profile cases against individual defendants play out in trial over the last few years. the trial against trump's campaign manager paul manafort, for example. we know how those trials work. but what about a case against 19 people? what about a rico case? how will this all work? and now that 19 of these individua

rudy giuliani is now out of jail on $150,000 bond. after his formal arrest in the georgia election subversion case. that included posing for a mugshot. the former trump lawyer turning himself in a day before his exboss will do so. kaitlyn, what can you tell us about giuliani's surrender? >> reporter: giuliani surrendered today just after his bond was negotiated, putting this proceeding as him being a criminal defendant in this case against donald trump and 18 others on essentially hyper speed in one day, doing both of these things in a way that other defendants had not. he also spoke outside the courthouse, i'm sorry, outside the jail as he was leaving, saying that if they can do this to me, they can do this to you, about the criminal justice system and that is, of course, true. the criminal justice system does arrest people when they are accused of crimes. so now, because rudy giuliani, the former prosecutor, is accused of racketeering charge as well as several other crimes, trying to coax public officials of lying, violating their o

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when giuliani was the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york in the 1980s, he re-popularized the concept of the perp walk. giuliani did not invent the practice of allowing the press to photograph interest, but, as a criminal law professor from loyola marymount university put it, mr. giuliani took that practice and made an art form out of it. and giuliani did not always make sure he had his facts right before doing so. >> wall street isn't used to the site of its best and brightest in handcuffs, being arrested or charged with insider trading. people like robert freeman, a partner at goldman sachs, timothy tabor a former vice president at kidder peabody, richard freeman, wigton, also of kidder peabody -- >> that last guy, richard wigton -- reportedly crying because of how shaken he was by the arrest. mr. giuliani thought the humiliation of being perp walked would make these guys just come clean. the problem is that just a few months after arresting just two of the people he perp walked, mr. giuliani

today a federal judge in washington ruling giuliani, trump lawyer giuliani defamed two georgia election workers with lies with legally false claims. that's a legal determination. he did that on his way to trying to get the election to be stolen. those workers, ruby freeman and her sure shane moss have come up before. if you follow this show or the jan 6th committee hearings you recognize the name. while different people in public life and most poll workers don't enter public life, have to deal with some public scrutiny, what they went through legally, i can tell you today, was way over the line. it was defamation, lies, threats and intimidation. i mentioned the hearings. they spoke memorably to the committee about how it all affected them. >> i've lost my name and i've lost my reputation. i've lost my sense of security, all because a group of people starting with number 45 and his ally, rudy giuliani, decided to scapegoat me. >> it's affected by life in a major way. in every way. all because of lies. >> now, how does justice work? well, we've told you before in the dominion case about d

>> reporter: rudy giuliani, at the 2016 republican national convention. giuliani had earned a reputation for being tough on a crime as a young assistant u.s. attorney. at 39 he was appointed u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, zeroing in on organized crime and white collar criminals. >> i am giuliani. >> reporter: after becoming mayor of new york city in 1993 giuliani took credit for making manhattan safe. then came 9/11. giuliani was the picture of strength, with some calling him america's mayor. >> the city's going to survive, we're going to get through it. >> reporter: and "time" magazine named him person of the year. giuliani failed in his own 2008 presidential bid. >> today i'm officially anouning my withdrawal as a candidate for president of the united states. >> reporter: wu in 2016 he was back on the campaign trail as a surrogate for donald trump. >> he will be the leader of the change we need. >> reporter: soon, giuliani became a regular on cable news. >> shut up, moron, shut up, shut up, you don't know what you're talking about.

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what did giuliani tell you? >> reporter: yeah, giuliani seemed to be speaking to us directly here at cnn. he was playing the victim, saying he had been charged for essentially doing his job to help the former president as an attorney. he said that he was being unjustly charged and challenged anybody to find a prosecutor with his record in the last 100 years. we asked several questions, the first being who paid for his private jet down here because we were told he had been trying to get people to help him pay for his elderly legal -- his legal bills. listen to what he said after been arrested and surrendering. >> she has violated people's first amendment right to advocate the government to petition the government for grievance as like an election they believe was poorly or falsely conducted. people have a right to believe that in america. >> reporter: we asked him also why people should believe him now since in a civil suit he all but admitted making false comments against election workers in georgia. he pushed b

giuliani talked up law and order.the skills, the prestige, the reputation he may have gathered for however long in the opposite direction. now, we may not know exactly why he got there that way, what motivated him. the legal point tonight is it doesn't matter. it doesn't matter how hypocritical he's been, doesn't matter whether this is about legally him versus them, right versus left, white versus black, although all those issues may ultimately prove relevant. the bar to convict him is much lower. and that is maybe what scarce him, because he has tried rico cases before. now, again, legally presumed innocent, but the bar is pretty straightforward. did he knowingly and corruptly take these actions? that is to say, was he deliberately trying to defraud the government, deliberately trying to have state officials violate their oath? did he know what he was doing? and boy, is there a lot of record that he knew exactly what he was doing. that's our special report. we have a white house insider on this big story next. [city

in multiple cases -- not giuliani. has four, five depending on which ones we're counting. but when you say one thing in one case, it could end up affecting your other cases. and so these defendants who are involved in multiple cases have to be very careful about what they say, how they defend themselves, the evidence they produce because, as we're seeing, it could come back to affect them down the line in, you know, unrelated cases that are only, you know, conceptionally related. >> which is part of the reason meadows taking the stand was so interesting the other day. >> the attacks on miss moss and miss freeman are part of the fulton county d.a.'s case also. >> several other people are indicted for targeting them as well. >> yeah. >> so i want to move on to senate minority leader mitch mcconnell, what we saw yesterday, which is really, really disturbing. there is of course a political component. ther i want you to see what the lexington herald leader put in its editorial. very blunt. one of the most important politici

giuliani was on newsmax to say this is a ridiculous use of it.think it's appropriate here? >> well, it's appropriate because they basically committed a whole series of crimes, which is the indictment shows comes down to seven different criminal schemes, with 18 individuals. it's a good way to put them all together in one count in an indictment and point out the jury how all of these schemes related to each other, how all these different defendants, some of whom may have never even met each other, we're all working towards the same goal of trying to keep donald trump in office and basically steal the election from joe biden. >> nick ackerman and adam serwer, great to have you both gentlemen, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> coming up, the special counsel slips into donald trump's dms as a federal judge asks if elon much is trying to cozy up to the former president. but first, with the law closing in, the trump gang scrambles to get out of georgia, next. get out of georgia, next we moved out of the city so our little sophie could appreciate natu

rudy giuliani just caught her rico charge. the week rudy giuliani of the u.s. attorney of the southern district of new york, rudy giuliani the guy who put away mobsters, rudy giuliani who was america's mayor in the tough on crime air. rudy giuliani's got to get a lawyer so he can show up in court in fulton county to face a rico charge. >> rico laws to prosecute. the irony is just unbelievably thick. >> rudy giuliani is 79 years old. if he is found guilty in this case, he will be at least 80 years old. if he perceives an appeal that is unsuccessful, he will be headed off to prison around age 82. rudy giuliani is facing tonight the possibility of spending the rest of his life in prison and dying in a georgia prison. rudy giuliani is i think a very strong candidate to drop out of the contest with this jury and end up in the cooperating side. >> and chris mentioned the question how is it affected with people. we will be watching, i think if you are in a disadvantaged state as lawrence says, or also smaller fish, you have all the reason in the world to sit down and

that's giuliani in a hotel room outfitted with hidden cameras.he defended himself calling the hidden camera video a complete fabrication. after trump lost the 2020 election giuliani claimed trump won and pushed false claims about voter fraud. it all reached a bizarre crescendo at this now infamous november 2020 press conference. flanked by trump's legal team and held in the parking lot of four seasons total landscaping outside philadelphia, giuliani didn't offer any proof the election had been stolen as he promised. >> there are dead people voting, no question about it. >> reporter: in a later news conference sweating and with hair dye running down his face, giuliani still offered no evidence of voter fraud and instead made a random reference to a popular movie. >> did you all watch my cousin vinny? it's one of my favorite law movies. >> reporter: and just as giuliani railed against a nonexistent election fraud he learned the race had been officially called for joe biden. >> oh, my goodness, all the networks! wow! all the networks. we have to for

rudy giuliani, 150,000.ly put the emphasis on how the people at the top of the pyramid around trump were quite significant here. we're seeing them all be arrested. trump is now set to be coming in tomorrow to do his part of this process to respond to the indictment by being arrested as well, and released from jail after he goes through that process. but there's still some tension here, not all of the counsel for the defendants have come in, including two people that were top officials in the trump administration. one, his chief of staff mark meadows, and the other jeffrey clark, a top administrator at the justice department, whom donald trump wanted to install as attorney general. those who men were trying to hold off being arrested. but after a fight with the prosecutor's office that spilled into open court, a judge in the federal court system has said, no, we're not going to put the state proceedings on hold, these two men do need to show up and turn themselves into the jail by noon on friday, or else be a

. >>> tonight, also news on rudy giuliani. a judge this evening finding giuliani liable for defamation in a lawsuit brought by two georgia elections workers. what he claimed about them on national television. and could this now affect other cases involving donald trump's friend and former attorney? >>> the war in ukraine, and tonight, the kremlin seeing the biggest drone attack inside russia yet. four russian military planes destroyed. russia retaliating. britt clennett in ukraine for us. >>> back here in the u.s. tonight, hall of famer david ortiz claiming he's being extorted by hackers who broke into a cell phone. what he says they're threatening to do. >>> several recalls for you tonight. tens of thousands of popular newer ford pickup trucks. we'll have the models and why. >>> and the fda warning, the eye drops recall now expanding because of potentially dangerous bacteria and concerns over your eyesight. >>> also, trader joe's recalling its sixth product in five weeks. >>> and something millions of americans will be able t

and the case may giuliani famous.e used that fame to ultimately run for mayor of new york and, well, you know the rest of the story. but now a version of the same law -- georgia's rico statute -- a version of that law could be rudy giuliani's downfall. of all the indictments former president trump faces, one of the things that makes yesterday yesterday's unique is how many other defendants they are our. because it is a rico case, trump was indicted along with 18 other codefendants. 19 people -- 19 -- all charged with being part of a criminal enterprise. just like how giuliani charge charged the commission in the 1980s. and last night, fulton county d. a. fani willis made it clear that she intends to try this whole criminal enterprise together. >> do i intend to try the 19 defendants in this indictment together? yes. >> now, we have seen plenty of high-profile cases against individual defendants play out in court over the past few years. the trial against trump's former campaign manager paul manafort, for example. we k

>> rudy giuliani needs money.ight, donald trump said he was going to have a fund-raiser for him. but why did donald trump do that? keep your friends close, keep your codefendants even closer. donald trump has to be concerned that someone is going to flip, and rudy was right at the center of this. >> yeah. so far he hasn't flipped. >> right, right. >> thank you very, very much. >>> coming up, we're going to continue to follow all the breaking news. the wagner founder, yevgeny prigozhin, is apparently dead after a plane crash outside of moscow earlier today. we'll hear from a former u.s. national security official. stay with us. you're in "the situation room." mom, c'mon! mia! [ engine revevving ] ♪ ♪ my favorite color is... because, it's like a family thing! [ engine revving ] ♪ ♪ made it! mom! leave running behind, behind. the new turbocharged volkswagen atlas. does life beautifully. you're watching football wrong! what do you call a guy in face paint that can't get the game? ...a clown! sorry, what app was it aga

and rudy giuliani. giuliani says that he is wrongly accused in this defamation lawsuit. and i want to share what he said last week to our colleague, vaughn hillyard. >> mister mayor, do you acknowledge that you made false statements? -- >> >> that is a total lie. why don't you go put yourself away. >> you know, why do you not for that in the court? >> that was a simulation, it's an every lawsuit. not for the purposes of truth. >> you did not pass, it yielded her nietzsche fight that. >> wrong! >> i did not because i had to move on to legal issues. now, let me take another question. >> okay, i'm clearly confused because last month giuliani conceded that he did in fact make false statements and so what happened with today's ruling, joyce? >> right, so what you heard from giuliani in that clip was a month of mumbo jumbo that didn't mean anything. and one earlier this, right judge how rule and the district of columbia confirmed that today. what she said was, rudy giuliani failed to comply with his discovery obligations. turn over information. the miss freeman and to her daug

and some of the biggest names we saw, giuliani, eastman, the former president, meadows, there is alsoe lesser known figures. i think that caught some folks off guard, they're not household names, there are some operatives that even veteran republican politicians are calling me saying have you heard of this person? they're not necessarily well known to those in georgia. >> one of the things that people keep saying after they read the indictment, a lot of lawyers on this network and elsewhere, say you can tell from this indictment she means business. but you also know her. you know the way she strategizes. we all know that she has prosecuted lots of rico cases before. does she mean business? >> i would say she means business and she telegraphed from the start she would be using -- investigating rico charges. she's a rico expert herself. she hired a rico expert to join her staff. and as a consultant on these cases, and, you know, even as donald trump and other republican allies of the former president have chastised her and criticized her, she said, look, i can walk and chew gum at the s

rudolph giuliani surrenders. 4:38 p.m. jenna ellis surrenders. 5:00 p.m., judge jones denies jeffrey d clarks' emergency motion. 5:40 p.m. judge jones denies mark meadows' emergency motion. 7:15 p.m. district attorney willis files a brief in response to mark meadows' request to remove his case to federal court. in district attorney willis' 20-page brief opposing moving the case against mark meadows to federal court she raises an issueis that i for one am embarrassed to say i had not thought of, the hatch act. the hatch act sitting right there. didn't think of ha it. district attorney willis quotes mark meadows in an interview while he was white house chief of staff saying, quote, nobody outside the beltway really cares about trump administration officials violating the hatch act, which they did more than any other white house indi history. district attorney willis then points out, quote, the defendant unreservedly declares that all of thely alleged conduct as to . meadows relates to protected political activity that lies i

giuliani. a federal judge ruling yesterday that giuliani defamed two election workers in georgia following the 2020 election. the ruling means he is liable for damages which will be determined at a civil trial. ruby freeman and shay moss sued giuliani over his claims that they committed election fraud. they testified to the january 6th committee, saying their lives were turned upside down by the false allegations. >> now, i won't even introduce myself by my name anymore. i get nervous when i bump into someone i know in the grocery store who says my name. i'm worried about who is listening. i get nervous when i have to give my name for food orders. i'm always concerned of who is around me. i've lost my name, and i've lost my reputation. i've lost my sense of security. >> a lot of threats, wishing death upon me. telling me that, you know, i'll be in jail with my mother, saying things like, "be glad it's 2020 and not 1920." >> were a lot of these threats and vile comments racist in nature? >> a lo

and it's the same with rudy giuliani.nd again, people seem to think that donald trump will be loyal to them after they have shown loyalty to him. and that's simply never been the case. that wasn't the case when he was a real estate mogul, that wasn't the case when he was a celebrity. the guy just isn't loyal. and it's no surprise to me that giuliani now that he's on the downslope, finds himself bereft of any help from the guy who he really went to bat for. >> the thing is people will remember they did that skit where they both dressed in drag and did sort of a mocking thing of that, like, they have had a relationship for a really long time, have been friends. but to your point, donald trump doesn't care about that. he doesn't care about his kids. i'm not sure he would help them. he's definitely not going to help rudy. jamelle bouie, thank you very much. >>> up next, tennessee lawmakers begin to special session that was supposed to address gun violence but the republican speaker had something else in mind. we'll bring you

when rudy giuliani was out there working for trump. terms now where trump is willing to cut the checks for the entirety of his legal bills as he faces lawsuits, responds to criminal investigations and there's a question will rudy giuliani cooperate in criminal investigations against trump. what will he do there but there's also the situation he has so many legal bills related to lawsuits that he's going to have to figure out something. selling his co-op in manhattan potentially but that's only a couple million dollars it costs extraordinary amounts of money to face one massive lawsuit let alone several. >> you bring up a good point there. may not be a good time for trump if rudy giuliani is sideways with him, given he may have a reason to cooperate. kate? >> i hadn't thought about that. i get stuck on $57,000 in phone bills. when was the last time you incurred $57,000 in phone bills? >> it's a flat fee. unlimited calling and texts. >> that's what the ads tell me. >> just saying. >> maybe rudy giuliani should switch to t mobile. just sa