, all of which giuliani denies. her lawsuit, this former employee alleges that giuliani drank all day and night during the post election period. and she specifically sites two moments in particular, giuliani's press conference at four seasons total landscaping, the one where he falsely claimed that dead people had voted in pennsylvania, and the press conference when giuliani's hairspray appeared to melt down the side of his face as he falsely claimed that venezuela was tampering with our voting machines. this former employee says it was her job to keep giuliani from looking foolish while he was drunk, and that she was not there on those days. again, giuliani denies all of those allegations. and he denied the allegations in the new york times today as well. >> huge story in the new york times about you having a possible problem with alcohol. >> [laughter] i think i should sue them for that. >> -- >> i should comment that, if i have an alcohol problem, i should be in the guinness book of world records. 79 years old, a

, all of which giuliani denies. but in her lawsuit this former employee alleges giuliani drank all day and night during the post election period, and she specifically cites two moments in particular -- giuliani's press conference at four seasons total landscaping, the one where he falsely claimed dead people voted in pennsylvania, and the press conference where giuliani's hair spray appeared to melt down the side of his face as he falsely claimed that venezuela was tampering with our voting machines. the former employee said it was her job to keepgiuliani from looking foolish while he was drunk. he denies all those allegations and denied the allegations in "the new york times" today as well. >> there's a story in "the new york times" that you have a possible alcohol problem. >> i will sue them for that. i will comment if i have an alcohol problem i should be in the guinness book of world records. 79 years old and i'm an alcoholic. you know how much i've accomplished? it's a typical "the new york times" malicious lie

ken, you hear from giuliani there. you see his defense against this article as he is filing that lawsuit what do you make of the position that he finds himself in? >> i can tell you in the time that i worked for him in the early '90s, i never saw him drink. i only saw him drink diet coke. that's my frame of reference in terms of his alcohol consumption. i've seen him at the cigar bar on occasion that closed in 2020. i saw him have a drink. a casual drink with other people. so i wasn't in the room when he allegedly told trump, just say you won, you know, drunkenly. so it was very good reporting, i must say. a lot of sources, most of them anonymous. it was well researched and reported. >> they kind of look into this window. they note that. and they look into the window where it was amplified. some of them are not anonymous that are not on the record, talking about this. they do believe it is part of what we're seeing today. the grand scheming. >> can you imagine trump saying that under the advice of drunken counsel, i wo

on that, joining me former giuliani insider who is a spokesperson for giuliani's 1993 mayoral campaigno the consulting producer for the cnn original series rudy giuliani will have no izmir which is fantastic. elie honig, also back here with us. can, you hear from giuliani, there you see his defense against this article as he is filing that lawsuit, what do you make of the position he finds himself in? >> i can tell you that in the time that i work for, him in the early 90s, i never saw him during. i only saw him during that coke. so that is my frame of reference in terms of his alcohol consumption. i have seen him at the cigar bar on occasion, a closed in 2020, i saw him have a casual drink with other people. so i don't -- i was not in the room when he allegedly told trump to say you won. drunkenly. so, it was very good reporting, i must say, very in-depth. a lot of sources. most of them anonymous. but it was well researched and reported. >> but they're kind of look into this window, they know, that then you look into this window where that was amplified and they have all these people

you tell rudy giuliani to meet you at the best western. would think that is the best western. [ laughter and applause also that piece of paper that says "where is rudy?" looks like something a limo driver would hold up at the airport [ laughter ] rudy is of course a figure in all of trump's various schemes and spent a lot of money helping him. he flew around the country on his own dime and bought hair dye by the barrel just to try to sway state lawmakers to overturn the election results for trump and now, not only has he been indicted for that, he's also out of cash. things are reportedly so bad, rudy reportedly pleaded with trump to pay him, and you'll never guess how that turned out. >> some exclusive new reporting on the hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees that rudy giuliani is now staring down and the desperate attempts that he has made to get former president donald trump to cover them with his attorney in tow, i am told that rudy giuliani traveled to mar-a-lago in late april, on a mission to make a personal appeal to trump

we saw giuliani on the screen, with jenna ellis.gree with norm, i think he might be the next attorney to flip in this case. if you go back to our january 6th committee deposition, rudy giuliani described generalist as his number two, his co-counsel, and if you get an opinion from gel, it is basically an opinion for me, right? so, if i see jenna ellis as rudy giuliani now flipping and pleading guilty, i am starting to get nervous. as ambassador eisen just said, we are getting closer now to former president trump, and that is how you build a successful case. >> but the big question is, will he, if he ultimately does plead guilty, will he get a similar probationary sentence or request from the prosecution? the bigger the fish, the bigger the splash. that is an original analogy, you are welcome. noise -- norm eisen, marcus chill dress, thank you so much. there was a brazen raid, missed intelligence, a spiraling humanitarian crisis. we have colonel cedric leighton who has had decades of military intelligence experience. he will break dow

the bravado that giuliani still has. right, and he is insisting that he is innocent, and everyone else is corrupt. everyone but him. so, you know, i don't know. i don't trust a lot of these folk, because there was so much wil willingness on their part to defend donald trump and lie to the american people, and it is hard to imagine their sudden regret. >> adam kinzinger and s.e. cupp, thank you for helping us to understand it all. >> we also have new developments out of israel. much more after this quick break. to duckduckgo on all your devie duckduckgo comes with a built n engine like google, but it's pi and doesn't spy on your searchs and duckduckgo lets you browse like chrome, but it blocks cooi and creepy ads that follow youa from google and other companie. and there's no catch, it's fre. we make money from ads, but they don't follow you aroud join the millions of people taking back their privacy by downloading duckduckgo on all your devices today. >>> all right. happening now, we are just getting word that intense ta

is there, and i did false stuff, but how threatening is that to rudy giuliani? >> i think it is very effective and she relied on him, and saying that there were multiple lawyers who had greater expert experience and expertise on them, and she wished she hadn't, and so it is pointing finger squarely at giuliani and increases pressure on him, and not clear to any circumstances that giuliani would cooperate, and perhaps he would enter a guilty plea at some point, and this is increasing pressure on him to do so, and she could be an effective witness on the point that she was making that there had not been fraud of the voting in georgia and the things that she plead guilty to aiding and abetting falts statement faf the people she had reported on as fraud, and saying it is false, and acknowledging it is false, and the testimony even in a case against trump and others of how she has come to understand how that is false allegations can be powerful in the legal case against them in respect to knowingly engaging in conduct of overturning an election, and publicly acknowle

giuliani's testimony? >> i agree with you and would say, because rudy giuliani is a lawyer, he has to abide and comply with the rules of professional conduct and he is in trouble because he has not. >> we recognize the chairman of the house intelligence committee, mr. turner from ohio. >> thank you so much for the materials you provided, your legal analysis, mr. turley, is incredible and historic and the legal descriptions of the aspects of, how do you conduct an impeachment investigations, what are the standards for an impeachment investigation, and taking some of the public facts that you are aware of and comparing them to congressional authority and oversight responsibilities. it does help the overall discussion and gives validity to the need for this committee to move forward on the investigation as you look historically what has happened. you made some comments in your opening statement about your description that i think are important to focus on in trying to guide our investigation. you said it is n

sidney powell and ellis were putting heat on giuliani. a month ago they could have said, well, if nobody pleas maybe you roll the dice. >> well, certainly the pressure is on giuliani based on jenna ellis' statement. essentially what she said was i relied on more experienced lawyers, meaning rudy giuliani, to provide krufl and reliable information. essentially i was duped. i trusted them and i shouldn't have done it. they have more experience. so she's directly pointing the finger at rudy giuliani here. the larger question is whether that's all that credible. you know, i think her value as a cooperator i think to jack smith would be if she had said, oh, if i knew then what i know now, what did others know then? did you really think donald trump won in a landslide there was evidence to support that? she went on and on about the fact and evidence to claim she was relying on others i think she has a credibility problem. if she's going in to see jack smith she's going to press on these claims what she knew and what the conversations were with

including donald trump, and rudy giuliani.at front. peppered throughout the indictment are examples of chesebro skimming with the former new york city mayor. on december 12th of 2020, chesebro met with the chair of the republican party in wisconsin, a man named bryan shipping. in that meeting, they, quote, discussed the december 14th 2020 meeting of trump fake elector nominees in that state. rudy giuliani joined the meeting by telephone, and stated that the media should not be notified that the fake elector meeting was taking place. a day later, on december 13th, 2020, chesebro sent another email to giuliani. this one outlined multiple strategies for disrupting and delaying the joint session of congress on january 6th 2020. the day congress was to certify the election for joe biden. that same day, chesebro sent an email to a trump campaign officials saying of another fake elector meeting, giuliani wants to keep this quiet until after all the voting is done. and now, mr. chesebro will have to tell prosecutors what exactly happe

, or any member of the giuliani team. would he potentially be helpful in a case against sidney powell. i think he would. and i think that is kind of a wrinkle to this case that is difficult on a whole bunch of different levels. so i could see why they would want him to testify relevant to sidney powell. but, if you're not willing to give him the basic protections that any normal prosecutor in any other prosecuting office in the country would do, then you are just not going to be able to force him to testify. >> is sidney powell the only one that he might have evidence against or testimony against? are there other individuals that he might have witnessed something that is worth discussing? >> in this group, it is primarily sidney powell. because the testimony that he has is that rudy giuliani and his whole team, they were pursuing leads. they were hampered by lack of time. a lack of resources and so that prevented them from being able to chase everything down completely. it certainly did lead to certain inaccuracies. but w

giuliani, he, then he said something we can't understand -- like he does sometimes.s being used as a russian pawn. he's being fed information that is russian -- that is not true. i'm trying to give you the flavor of the -- you could go listen to it yourself. >> they would not answer exactly how giuliani is going to pay for this legal effort. he owes other lawyers millions of dollars and earlier today his georgia lawyer withdrew raising more questions about how he's going to pay to defendant himself in that case. >> i predict that that is going to go nowhere. >> this lawsuit? >> i think that is a reasonable prediction. this was a sparsely attended press conference and again it is a very high bar. it is unclear why he is doing this now. again, he owes so many lawyers including some of his closest fri friends millions of dollars. >> i think i know why. >>> the leader of the republican party faces a fraud charges and 91 charges and republicans do not have a leader. my next guest has a unique perspective. would he say that his party is in crisis? >>> we are back with more

we know that on election day, giuliani told trump just say you won.'s -- one of his defenses that he's floated as, well, i was just doing what my lawyers told me to do, the lawyers told me that the election was stolen. the lawyers said, everything that i was doing was legal. well, if one of the lawyers was drunk, that eviscerates that defense. >> wow. >> let me ask you between the whole plea deal thing. somebody pleads in fani willis's case. what does that do if they are also involved in jack smith's case. >> it gives them exposure. which is why people like donald trump and john eastman and rudy giuliani are unlikely too plead guilty even if willis offers them the best deal because jack smith could still indictment them, he has indicted trump and could use that as evidence against trump. and other people he hasn't indicted like giuliani and eastman, we could be sure that at some point based on the allegations in the trump indictment that jack smith is coming for them. >> real quick. michael cohen has a civil suit that he's involved in with donald trum

now, rudy giuliani is getting more pressure. and that in turn is going to lead to more pressure on rudy giuliani to flip against donald trump. now, we're working our way up the food chain and listen, we jumped a couple of rungs in that ladder in terms of important co-defendants. this is significant because i have just been speaking to joyce vance and msnbc legal analyst about who was going to flip and she and i were saying, there are a lot of people left, 16, but jenna ellis is the one that has been complaining the loudest and most publicly about how the fact she felt she was left in the cold because her attorney fees weren't being paid and you were seeing a future trial that has yet to be set for any of the remaining 15 co-defendants and a very long slog for somebody like jenna ellis. she decided i'm going to cut my losses now. i just want to note for you, inside the courtroom, jenna ellis was crying and we have video of that and also hugging her defense attorneys and also shaking hands with the prosecutors and so, look, she ha

like giuliani, his lawyers are dropping him, saying he owes millions.g lie, now are getting raged over the coals. >> this is not a singular voter fraud in one state, this pattern repeats itself in a number of states. >> over 54 countries have now been taken by the machines. >> this election was stolen by mail-in ballots. those are the ballots that were stuck in the machine eight times, nine times, ten times. >> i have the evidence. i dare people to put it on. i dare dominion to sue me. then it would be put on faster. >> you don't have to be a genius to figure out those votes are not legitimate votes. >> this is the price of loyalty to trump. losing. just ask kevin mccarthy, whose catering to maga cost him his job. he gravelled at mar-a-lago after january 6th. trump still wouldn't lift a finger to save him. the story of the modern gop. fealty to trump costs elections and power, and those closest to trump like rudy giuliani and the mypillow guy feel it the worst. kurt riddle, democratic strategist. in the immortal word of that great pop group that produce

she was there when rudy giuliani -- she was there with rudy giuliani at that infamous press conferenceollowing the 2020 election where hair dye was dripping down his face faster than they could spout out their wild fact-free claims about widespread voter fraud. she traveled with giuliani to contested states to urge lawmakers to reject their own state's votes. she also took it upon herself to write multiple mes claiming that mike pence had every right to refuse to count the electoral votes from certain states and she was a regular on cable news, pushing the big lie and other conspiracy theories surrounding the election, none of which were true, and she knew it. she admitted that earlier this year when she was censured by the colorado state bar. she admitted again today and tried to claim it was she who had been duped. >> i relied on others including lawyers with many more years of experience than i to provide me with true and reliable information. what i did not do but should have done, your honor, was make sure the facts the other lawyers alleged to be true were in fact true. if i knew

and if your donald trump or rudy giuliani or any of these people, i think you are shivering. this is very scary stuff. >> neal katyal, barbara mcquade, amy lee copeland, pink you very much for coming to the last word. and coming, up donald trump dot to sit the new york courtroom today and listen to his former lawyer and fixer michael cohen accused him of lying about his wealth. and one thing we know for sure tonight, donald trump was mad. that's next. 's next. remember the things you loved... ...before asthma got in the way? fasenra is an add-on treatment for asthma driven by eosinophils. it's designed to target and remove them and helps prevent asthma attacks. fasenra is not for sudden breathing problems or other eosinophilic conditions. allergic reactions may occur. don't stop your asthma treatments without talking with your doctor. tell your doctor if your asthma worsens. headache and sore throat may occur. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. get back to better breathing. ask your doctor about fasenra. can we get real clear about life with psoriasis? yeah,

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. >>> and asking about rudy giuliani's drinking habits. how it plays into the legal matter and how rudy giuliani is responding. >> when the hell was i drinking? i was working 24 hours a day. it's a big damn lie. >>> any of the candidates stood up today trying to defend mccarthy in truth is open for primary returns. you got to make decisions here. >> that is steve bannon, former advisor to president trump, who now streams live. missed the word "war" behind him. that s said war room, from his basement every weekday. he helped lead to demise of kevin mccarthy as house speaker. >> for weeks mr. bannon strategizing with congressman matt gaetz on a bid to take town mr. mccarthy offering himself up as a sounding board. kaboom texts minutes after mr. goetz filed his long dangled motion to oust the speaker. i want to bring our panel back, and the john, start with you. i was grinning start of this, because this is the most bannon thing in the history of bannon things, and there was almost no chance he wasn't somewhere in this process. >> uh-huh. >>

she was close to people like rudy giuliani. she worked with sidney powell, who entered a guilty plea of her own last week. she also was responsible for organizing the legislative hearings in georgia. basically, baseless claims about election results being tainted there. they were presented to friendly republican lawmakers. she wrote legal memos arguing that mike pence did have the ability to overturn the election results on january 6th, 2021. so, another high-profile lawyer here. co-defendant of donald trump, pleading guilty and taking a deal with the prosecutors of georgia. >> if this case has gone to trial, the state would show the following. on december 3rd, 2020, the defendant did appear before a subcommittee in fulton county, georgia, with co-defendants and other individuals associated with donald j. trump for president incorporated, also nope as the trump campaign. giuliani and smith, acting as attorneys for the trump campaign, made the following false statements. one, that at least 96,600 known ballots were counted in th

i imagine that is at least part of the problem that rudy giuliani has.rom grace for someone who's the former u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, my old office, who has connections to other lawyers, who was a decorated lawyer at one time himself. to not be able to find counsel, it's really just -- it shows just what a -- what a fall from grace and what a just difficult position he finds himself in and you know, some of the reporting today about the special counsel investigating and asking questions about his being impaired, you know, and drinking alcohol on election night and other nights, i mean, this is somebody who is certainly not an ideal client, and so i think it's going to be difficult for him to find counsel, certainly counsel that's not already conflicted and on the case, but also counsel that wants to deal with rudy giuliani. >> fall from grace, difficult client, seems to be a very popular phrase that we hear a lot these days when it comes to these cases. glenn kirschner, kristy greenberg, always great to see you both. glenn, we

eastman -- giuliani is harder to pin down. >> really? is he, you say? interesting how you mentioned that. he's harder to pin down. >> you know, america's mayor. he's changed a lot over the years. and he's gone down a road that's challenging. tos it's going to be hard to see him plea. this is classic rico move. you start working down the lower level folks, give them plea deals. it gets harder and harder as you go along. you want to get to the big fish, donald trump, they're working their way up and doing it. >> what struck me is that chesebro has testified in other cases. also talking about potentially jack smith's case, because i think he was the coconspirator number five, unnamed, of course, so that could actually be a deal or interesting for that case, right? >> as is paul, within of those other coconspirators. these very same people coming up in the georgia case will make an appearance in the federal case if they've made these plea deals, they're going to start trying to talk to jack smith's team saying, let's figure this out, we'll cooperate. what c

because, you see, when nutballs like rudy giuliani or mike lindell get in trouble, it just feels like of the plan it's been factored in. but when an anonymous, white collar, harvard guy goes down, and says he'll cooperate with prosecutors, that's got to be when trump is thinking to himself, "oh, no." because if mike lindell or rudy giuliani ever flipped on trump and told the jury trump was guilty, trump would be found innocent by the first lunch break because they're [ bleep ] nuts [ laughter ] i kind of think that was the whole game plan. let those two hair dye addicted clowns scream and cry on tv while the quiet, buttoned up, harvard guy does all the real criming for you. but these buttoned-up quiet type, the chesebros, if you will, are the ones who actually understand what went down. he's a harvard educated lawyer with a long history in washington politics who might actually be able to explain to a jury where the bodies are buried as opposed to rudy, who looks like a guy who knows the best places to dig one up [ laughter ] "i look for tombstones with fancy names. they're most likel

obviously, this comes as giuliani -- there's been a lot of questions about how giuliani is going to payor his legal representation in the georgia case. he also faces scrutiny in a variety of civil matters, too, so rudy giuliani facing more questions as he loses another lawyer in the georgia case where, as you mentioned, prosecutors have floated the idea of plea deals to multiple defendants, telling me and our colleague sara murray, that this includes multiple defendants that, in addition scott paul, the bail bondsman, who's already accepted a plea deal in exchange for cooperation in this case. again, this is all happening in the lead-up to the start of a trial date here, scheduled to start the end of the month. so, prosecutors are trying to reduce the size and number of defendants in this case. there's 19 of them. and they want to secure cooperation from them if they're willing to accept lesser charges to basically flip on their fellow co-defendants. we're looking ahead to the trial, but prosecutors very busy, trying to see if they can reduce the number of defendants and get some cooper

absolutely giuliani. just a foot soldier, put forth as a leader, she goes repeatedly on television to spout these claims that were false and authors this one-page memo about the vice president's authority. hasn't gotten as much attention because of eastman's because of the heft she brings in terms of his reputation, but she is not just following directions. she is there shoulder to shoulder with rudy giuliani charting strategy. look, she may have been and likely was in direct communication with the client. the client being president trump. so, she's potentially very significant. if she had direct conversations with president trump, she makes it very difficult for him to rely on this potential defense that he simply relying on advice of counsel. if the counsel is baseless as ellis is admitting and powell also admitted, then it undercuts a very significant potential defense for the former president. >> jenna ellis not just part of the team. she was part of an elite strike force team, chuck rosenberg. let's

know giuliani was drunk, and who threw up all over mike pence's dockers? laughter ] there was a big story today in the "new york times" about giuliani's drinking. he strongly denies being an alcoholic, even though you can clearly see there's an espresso martini leaking out of his head. [ laughter ] [ applause ] i have to say, though, i was thinking about giuliani, and the saddest thing about it is if they weren't on opposite sides of the fence, rudy and hunter biden would probably have a really good time together. [ laughter ] as you know, the writers' strike is over. but not only are members of the actors' unions still out on the picket line, today, more than 75,000 employees of kaiser permanente walked off the job as well. it's the largest healthcare strike in american history. which is bad news for anybody they left in the mri machine. [ laughter ] kaiser employees are fighting for better pay, which they deserve, better benefits. they're looking for -- they want hospital gowns that actually cover their patients' hideous butts. [ laughter ] striking empl

she today there with giuliani. she made all these claims. she tried to steal your vote and according to who? today i can tell you, according to her. she admits that under oath. she says she'll truthfully testify against trump. now we'll show you what it looks like and sounds like. powell who spent her years as an attorney in courtrooms left one today as a convict. she struck a plea deal. said under oath she will temperature, quote, against all defendants, which includes the most infamous defendant donald trump. we're going to show you now so you can see for yourself that moment as it occurred in the courtroom. the georgia courtroom provides one sort of the broad, wide-view shot, so we have highlighted the exact table position where you can see powell, and you will see and hear her providing her plea and discussing testimony. >> you understand the state is asking that truthfully testify at all hearings and proceedings and trials involving the codefendants in this manner and that you have no communication with codefendants or media, witnesses

you might rooej rudy giuliani, i was too incapacitated. didn't understand what was happening when i interacted with these people. that's one issue if there's a possibility of that being a defense, prosecutors are going to want to look into it themselves to counter that narrative. >> is there also the issue of donald trump, if he knew that he was inebriated he knew one of his members of his counsel was inebriated, that could play a role here. >> anytime you have that issue, an issue of whether someone's doing something with their full faculties, you'll want to explore all of the options, i think the prosecutor's position is that he shouldn't have been relied on refugee rudy giuliani no matter what state he was in. but sure, they'll want to play out everywhere that takes them if they decide that someone actually truly was incapacitated and wasn't able to act. >> every possible scenario they're trying to look at. thank you so much, jennifer rogers, appreciate your analysis. coming up for us, what happens now in the house of representatives. r

how worried should giuliani be and trump? >> so i think that giuliani should be worried.t she said in court that she's flipped on giuliani. i think trump actually has less reason to be concerned, and the reason i say that is because of what her statement said. she -- it's important to note she did not admit that she knew at the time that she was making these voter fraud claims, she did not admit that she knew they were false. she said if i knew now -- you know, if i knew then what i know now, i wouldn't have done it. but she basically claims she was duped. she said that she was relying on more experienced lawyers like rudy to give her truthful and reliable information and really, she's just guilty of not fact checking them. and of course, that's preposterous. this is a woman who was not a junior lawyer. she's an experienced lawyer. she's 38 years old to just say, well, i relied on somebody else for the evidence when all she was saying the entire time was that you needed the facts. you needed the evidence, and that that was the core of their claims. it's just really prepos

i suppose rudy giuliani is up there on the weak witness category as well, but sidney powell has toldmany untruths that i think it's hard to take her seriously. kenneth chesbro is a more serious person, although he has some problems himself, after all, you know, he was the one in emails talking about this as a fake electors scheme. and, look, anybody who is a convicted felon, anyone who has cut a deal with the government is subject to criticism, but now the da has two witnesses and one advantage of i would say a shotgun approach where you're charging a lot of different people with a lot of different crimes. when you fire a shotgun into a crowd you're going to hit somebody. she's bagged a couple targets and more potentially. >> and notably powell and chesbro in their agreements, they have also agreed to testify in future trials including jack smith's federal election subversion case. if you are part of donald trump's defense team none of this is good. >> absolutely not. absolutely not. i mean, there's certainly a wall that is breaking down for donald trump here and, you know, part of t

us is that go all the way to impacting rudy giuliani.bly has many more conversations with donald trump. i think what really matters from these gillotti plays are the dominoes that are yet to fall they are really the first domino in the series. >> tara what do you make of this what do you think trump's thinking as he sees's die hard allies turn on him. we know how important loyalty is to this man. these are two people sydney powell, at one point was supposed to be a strong trump loyalist. >> sydney powell, who? she was never his lawyer. he's giving her the coffee boy treatment here and it's funny to me because counselor kraken after they found out and now she is turning states evidence. donald trump is not happy about this. we know. he's been unhappy about the fact that there is a r.i.c.o. charge. you have all these people who are more incentivized to flipping become states evidence than to go down with donald trump he demands loyalty to everybody else but he's not loyal to anyone. so, i interviewed michael cohen once and i asked him whic

giuliani's spokesperson has called this a disgusting ally against mayor giuliani. by the fact that he was not the only one. page 52 of the book, you say that john boehner of all people looked down at my cranberry vodka and whispered dart liquor or red wine from now on, then he tugged on the ends of my hair, saying and lose the ponytail. you describe one man who worked in the white house, mike mckenna, as having a tendency to publicly single out women with crude and demeaning comments. you described the president, and this is not groping, this is not physical, but you described him as telling you to add blonde highlights to your hair, which you then went home and did and came back to the white house the next day. that doesn't happen in normal workplaces, i'm just telling you now. sorry. >> i learn a lot on the outside. >> yes. there's a whole world out there, when guys get fired for doing stuff like that. >> it's unbelievable. it shouldn't be unbelievable. >> shouldn't be unbelievable, but there's also a couple of instances involving congressman matt gaetz. i will a

you can see her there seated to giuliani's left. what you see on your screen in total is now her confessed crime. if anyone says it didn't really happen or how did it go down, or i don't believe the media -- you don't have to believe the media. on this one, you can just believe jenna ellis under oath. she confessed. she is remorseful. she said, if she knew she wouldn't have done it. multiple claims about election fraud that were false, some of them obviously so. like a completely made up claim that 60,000 people under anyone, minors, somehow registered to vote and not a few dead people voting roll mistakes might have counted. no, 10,000 people rose from the dead and voted. d.a. willis implicated at least six plots. ellis' guilty plea goes to lying, ander underlying indictment goes to georgia overturning votes in that meeting that you saw. that's indicted. others yet may face that consequence. chesoro and pow's pleas went here, the fake electors plot be the voting data each. those are now convicted. these claimsere are based only on

rudy giuliani and donald trump.y in court, ellis specifically stated in papers she aided and abetted giuliani in making false statements to the georgia senate. last week, ken chesebro and his guilty plea implicated giuliani in the fake electors scheme. so, a guilty plea from rudy giuliani is clearly on fani willis' wish list, and that's going to be -- would be a really interesting lead negotiation. >> so much intrigue to come. and the obviously the consequences very significant. paul butler, blayne alexander, thank you, both, so much. >>> with the fate of more than 200 hostages hanging in the balance, the secretary of state makes a major diplomatic push with israeli attacks on gaza intensifying. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. nsifying you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc a cowboy or a gangster. and a gangster's outta style. i got back to my roots... we come from a long line of cowboys. my grandfather, my great-grandfather, my aunt even rode horses. when i see all of us out he

so we could see her take the stand in a hearing down the line featuring donald trump or rudy giuliani, where she has first hand knowledge. >> thank you for that reporting. here to expand on that and understand what it means for donald trump and her place in his orbit is mag give habmaggie haberman. when are you hearing from inside trump world about this deal and what are thee reverberations? >> this caught trump world by surprise. this was one of the best-kept secrets out of that d.a.'s office. they are trying to figure out what it means. there are some people tell pg me they don't think this is that big of deal for him. they think her ability to actually really testify is marginal. they are this shows that the da overcharged in this case. the flip side is the argument that she intentionally charged this way so she could get guilty pleas. there's nobody who is happy about it. there's concern about the degree to which powell could offer information, not just about former president trump, but about rudy giuliani, as noted before. now the former president is still most concerned right no

the people at play in this conspiracy are trump and eastman and giuliani. so maybe he's technically pleading to one count of filing false statements, but the implication of this is that he was working in a concerted way with others and that if he it was to what they did, that should be versed to those others. >> your plea deal would not be accepted if not for the fact that if you were called to testify or your admission will help lead to information about your coconspirators, there would be no real plea deal if not for those things, right? >> exactly. what he has to admit is guilty. his lawyer seems to be saying, well, he's not really admitting to guilt so much as he's taking the lesser of evill s presentedo him. so he's admitting guilt to one count when he was charged with seven unless they believe he has valuable noinformation to provi them in the pursuit of other convictions. i think he took a plea deal knowing that he violated the law. >> chesebro admitted the purpose of the fake electors was to disrupt and delay the joint session of congress on january

is going to be guide, and the narrator, and say s i was in this room with donald trump, with rudy giuliani, and this is what we discussed and here is who said what and what we knew. and in order to take this deal and plea, sidney powell is going to have to acknowledge it was illegal and a crime, and that going to lend a lot of credibility to prosecutor's assertions that what donald trump did was knowingly a crime, and potentially a crime, and now they have ultimate insider and someone who is steadfastly loyal to donald trump to the narrative and now she has flipped an come clean and now she is a prosecution witness. >> she was on election night at the white house watching the returns come in, and this is according to some of the testimony to house investigators though she declined to speak about a lot of stuff, and that is what you are getting at, and she can speak to basically everything in terms of donald trump's involvement. but is there any limit, elie, to what in terms of the plea deal, and i don't even know if the details need to come further out, but is there a limit to how the pros

i think we can speculate who she is referring to is rudy giuliani.eat position to provide the prosecution with more information about giuliani's own role in all of this, and how that relates to donald trump. she is the lady of the hour, i think her deal is perhaps the most significant here, she has a lot of tentacles both in the fake electors scheme, also in the georgia voting machine scheme. so she is a lot of information that she can provide here. >> real quick, have you ever in your entire life heard of 01 mob boss testifying against another mob boss in court? >> so, again, i don't have a lot of experience with mob trials outside of the sopranos, but if we were going to have such a scenario, not just with my bosses but with individuals involved in two distinct conspiracies, this might be the place that happens. >> i'm just asking, because donald trump, sorry, rudy giuliani taking the stand, i might have to show up in court. >> explosive. >> melissa murray, thank you so much for coming back to the sunday show. >> thanks for having me. >> and up nex

the tax debt is coming as giuliani faces mounting legal woes and fees as well.pokesperson for giuliani saying he has a formal agreement with the irs to pay off the liability. >>> coming up next, this month's new jobs report blowing everyone's predictions out of the water, what the nation's explosive job growth might mean for lingering inflation. >>> plus, florida governor ron desantis testing a new strategy to revive his struggling presidential campaign. will it backfire with the maga base he needs the most? you're watching msnbc g msnb evolution means choosing the right medicare plan for you. humana can help. with original medicare you're covered for hospital stays and doctor office visits, but you'll have to pay a deductible for each. a medicare supplement plan pays for some or all of your original medicare deductibles, but they may have higher monthly premiums and no prescription drug coverage. humana medicare advantage prescription drug plans include medical coverage, plus prescription drug coverage. and coverage for dental, vision, and hearing, all wrapped

adviser to giuliani responded to nbc news yesterday with a statement, writing in part, giuliani throughgreement with the irs to pay off the liability. remember, he's been calling and calling and trying to get donald trump to help him with the legal bills. finally, donald trump held the fundraiser for rudy at mar-a-lago, to raise money for his legal defense fund. unclear where the money went or if it is helping rudy with his problems. >> if he actually got it. >> yeah. probably the sons kept 75% of it, like they always did with those stories we heard about the -- when they were fundraising. no, sam stein, it's not going well for him. he says that he is striking a deal with the irs, but i'm not so sure the irs is going to forgive all that for a couple cases of chateau guam. he doesn't have the money to pay this off. i don't know how he gets out of this without going bankrupt. >> it's so funny you said that. you took my joke. i was going to suggest that lindell pays lawyers off with pillows, but your version of this was much better than mine. >> well, thank you, sam. that's why i have a fi

robert costello, who was giuliani's attorney, alleged hacking. the irs, allegedly illegal releasing tax information. >> because his attorney is not joe biden's campaign manager. he's hunter biden's lawyer. he's going to say and do whatever he thinks would put his client in the best posture to be free or to be limited in terms of legally. there's an irony to all of this. if these are successful arguments, it will feed the argument that joe biden controls the justice depasystem. the reality is that the fact that hunter biden is facing prosecution, totally on bliteras the argument that joe biden controls the deep state. >> you're so logical. >> would donald trump allow one of his children to be prosecuted by the justice department if they had violated a law or charged? this is joe biden saying, let the justice system take its course. that's why his son is in this position, because he has not sought to control the process. >> at the same time, if this was happening to donald trump and his children, trump would not be as silent. we're going to set thi

also pay attention to john eastman and rudy giuliani. these are both individuals that ken chesebro could provide tail light about with raespect to th crafting of the fake electors scheme. all of them played some role therein, and chesebro could provide a tremendous amount of valuable testimony. and frankly, i would think that's far more what prosecutors are interested in than testimony that chesebro could provide about donald trump. the other thing i would note is it's a felony, and paula mentioned this a moment ago as well, sidney powell pled guilty to a number of misdemeanors. pleading guilty carrying a number of restrictions on somebody's rights. it could affect his right to vote, his right to own a firearm until restored by the governor of the state. this is quite significant for him and all the other defendant. >> elliot, thank you so much. appreciate it. and as we digest that, we remember that i'm here on capitol hill because we still don't have a speaker of the house. part of the reason for that is because a man who donald trump s

i think ellis can certainly speak to the rudy giuliani aspect of this.r, for people at home, she was the one going state to state with giuliani trying to get state electors to go for trump and to flip, and she was also standing up before people in the georgia state senate making a host of wild, baseless claims about dead voters in georgia, none of which was true and she all, but admitted today in court and that's a problem for giuliani. a query about how much of a problem it is for trump, powell and chesebro all people in the legal circle, but they all have different stories to tell and it's just a question of which one has the one that's most problematic. >> other than the three lawyer, another person, another co-conspirator has also flipped. that brings the number of defendants down to 15. could we be seeing more flip in the coming days and weeks? and could that potentially speed up a trial date? >> perhaps, but i think the issue is that chesebro and powell sort of had -- >> a speedy trial thing already. >> to start on monday. >> they had a timing issu

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she was at press conferences with rudy giuliani in georgia.ite house in december of 2020 discussing seizing voting machines, so she is someone who is very, very important for the prosecution as a prosecution witness, and she's deadly to the higher level defendants because she was there. she was the one who entered into that forensic data contract. she is not certainly going to say i did this all on my own. if she was going to say that, she would not be pleading guilty. this is very important to have someone that high up in the ladder of this rico conspiracy be pleading guilty. >> obviously she's a lawyer herself, so she didn't believe that she could defend herself or have her lawyers, her representatives defend her effectively not to get a guilty plea at trial. why do you think she chose to go this route? >> because this is happening all over the country in courthouses, defendants who are guilty suddenly see oh, my goodness, this is real. and ms. powell certainly did not want to serve time in a georgia state prison. she was offered misdemeanor