giuliani. but what a stunning, stunning fall this is for him. >> i want to bring in karen freedman, our legal analyst. giuliani said he had no connection to the avalanche of threats that shaye moss and ruby freeman actually faced. let's remember some of the racist and hateful lies he told. >> how can he say there's no fraud. look at that woman. look at them scurrying around with the ballots. nobody in the room. hiding around. they look like they're passing out dope, not just ballots. it's clear they're stealing votes. >> given the volume of evidence against giuliani right now, how do you think he will attempt his appeal to go forward? he says he wants his lawyers to appeal this case. >> well, let's remember in order to appeal this case, because it's civil, he will have to put a substantial sum of money into a bond. and so which means he has to put that money in the bank and that will have to be held in order for him to even get to an appeal. and usually it's the amount of the verdict, sometimes

the giuliani of that '92 riot, that's rudy giuliani. - he blames it on me. he blames it on you. - the 1992 police protest was sort of the birth of rudy as fascist. - he did a dress rehearsal for january 6th at the police riot against dave dinkins. - this is all about a policy, which if i had them, the police department would be even angrier at me, even though i'm white. - can this former prosecutor be the one to come in and help bring new york into the right direction? - giuliani was blasted for being insensitive to minorities' concerns. - rudy giuliani is and was a thug. - i did not expect the shocking de-evolution of rudy giuliani. - the city is knocked to its knees. he was pitch-perfect. - yes, he stood up. yes, he did what a mayor should do, but that did not change who he was. - i saw god out on the block today ♪ ♪ he was darker than the preachers say ♪ ♪ with a teardrop tattooed on his face ♪ ♪ and dirt in his fingers ♪ i heard angels when he laughed the way ♪ ♪ that people do when they have known true pain ♪ ♪ for his sins i don't know who's to blame ♪

like rudy giuliani. but has everyone ever blown themselves up more for donald trump than giuliani has? >> no. i'm still amazed at how he has gone from america's mayor, you know this guy that probably in any other world where he hadn't gotten tangled up with donald trump after he passed, he would have an elementary school named after him in every town to have completely destroyed his life for what? for temporary fame? he was already famous. for proximity to power? he could have met with any president he wanted to. before he became what he did. but there is just something extremely broken. and there is something broken with this idea that you pick two innocent people. rudy giuliani is a powerful man. donald trump obviously a powerful man. you find two innocent people, and you punch down. you destroy their lives. you break them. and then you dare to take the name of god and pretend like you are somehow some kind of a messenger from the lord? while you are destroying innocent people's lives? it makes me angr

rudy giuliani was not the only one who spread lies about us. and others must be held accountable too. money will never solve all of my problems. i can never move back into the house that i called home. i will always have to be careful about where i go. >> the flame that giuliani lit with those lies and passed to so many others to keep that flame blazing changed every aspect of our lives. we hope no one ever has to fight so hard just to get your name back. >> i'm joined tonight by an attorney for the two women you see there, shaye moss and ruby freeman. thank you for being here. you and your attorneys urged the jury to send a message. what message do you think they sent with this $148 million verdict? >> i think the jury spoke here. they spoke on behalf of the voiceless people like ruby freeman and shaye moss. the message that has been sent is that powerful folks like rudy giuliani cannot lie like he did in this case. the message the jury sent today is that lies have a price tag. >> he -- you know, that moment when you saw the two of them speaki

giuliani, for mr. murdoch at dews four, and we will see if there are other vertex to come, one can only presume. kaitlyn, what is astounding beyond the abject cruelty and audacity of rudy giuliani, is the fact that he is still sticking by these guys for which there is absolutely no evidence, claiming there will be evidence and it is three years later, there is none. that is the reason we have not seen any. it was looked at by republican officials in georgia. it was looked at by his own department of justice officials. during that period, there is no evidence that either of these women did anything at all, and yet this lie about the 2020 election is the animating force of donald trump's reelection campaign. >> and rudy giuliani undermining his own defense as they were talking about these women and what they did in trying to minimize what the damages were going to be. giuliana would go outside of court and stand by what he said about those two women that you just mentioned. i am just struck and by what w

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for my book, i interviewed giuliani's ex-wife, judith giuliani, he told me that the secret, the key to rudy giuliani was a need for relevance, and then what happened after the 2008 race was that as 9/11 halo it was gone. he was no longer the most beloved person. he was kind of a loser, and he started taking on sketchy clients around the country, started making inflammatory provocative comments on television. there was a desperation to the quality of what he was doing, trying to kind of regain what he had, and also the financial benefits he had after 9/11, and then came at donald trump. trump needed giuliani in thousand 16. he had no political kind of infrastructure, and giuliani needed trump, because he needed to get back to relevance. >> tell me about, what is the same about giuliani from all those years that you covered him as you see now? the sort of bullying tactics, the meaner side of things. >> sure, i covered giuliani back at city hall, and so i watched giuliani as mayor, and i thought he was enormously effective, anonymously effective. but part and parcel of his success was an

the giuliani of that '92 riot-- that's rudy giuliani.front steps. it's the front porch. [crowd chanting] [crowd chanting] [overlapping shouting] [dramatic musical sting] - if you wanted to see an early version of january 6, 2021, go look at the footage of the police riot of 1992 city hall in new york city. [cheers and applause] - thousands of off-duty cops who normally patrol the streets now taking them over outside city hall. - i'm just tired of watching crime run rampant, and we're not doing anything about it because our hands are tied. every time we do something, it seems like we're getting indicted. - they had come for a big demonstration around city hall. you know they came prepared for the battle. you could see the anger in their faces, and you know that they meant business. [crowd chanting] - it was a show of force on the steps of new york city hall. 10,000 off-duty cops banded together in protest, fed up and angry with the city they claim doesn't back them up. the mayor's plan for an all-civilian board to review police misconduct

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i don't know that rudy giuliani has $1 million. i have no idea what he has. he has money to pay his legal bills. he has three ex-wives. i am sure he will plead poverty in addition to appealing this case. do you expect to see any money? >> we are not concerned about an appeal. we feel comfortable with our verdict. as far as money, we will enforce this judgment. we will follow it and i think i said it the last time i came on here, to the end of the earth. honestly, the message that this sense, $70 million punitive damage verdict, the message it sends. >> $35 million. >> the message it sends to other powerful people out there who have huge audiences and are willing to trample people, civil service trying to do their job, whether they are election workers were people work at the post office, the message this sense is you will not get a way with it. there are people out there who will represent those people, who will take you to court and prevail because juries see through these lies and in court you can't hide behind these lies. you have to answer and stand up an

and rudy giuliani in this case. i have to say, there are a lot of people eager to hear rudy giuliani on the stand today because she such an interesting character. donald trump was supposed to testify on monday in his case but he decided not to. rudy giuliani was was to decide in his case, he decided not to neither of these guys lawyers can seem to control them anyway, but what do you make of it. i think this is one way where the lawyers have been able to control. they've been able to keep these clients who hurt themselves every time they open their mouths off of the witness stand. in julien's case, whether he continues to try to say he's not responsible for what happened and that he was telling the truth because he really believes that or because, frankly, he has some difficulty holding on to the truth, he is taking the witness stand would have only harmed himself, only have made it worth, worse and so the lawyers do the best thing they could do here by keeping him off. >> tim, let's talk about rudy giuliani and the

ladies and gentlemen, rudy giuliani. - the misperception that somehow donald trump changed rudy giuliani inherently racist. - people need to go through his record. - this police department has done more than any police department in the united states to train its police officers to be respectful. - rudy giuliani always, without any tutoring from donald trump-- and i'm the last person to defend donald trump, but without any tutoring from donald trump, used demagoguery, half-truths, and provocation all of his career. even at his strongest moment, it showed me how limited he was. and 9/11 gave him the opportunity. all of us have made mistakes in public life growing up, but if you get an opportunity, you grow, and you show your growth. he couldn't do it. it just was not him. - we begin this hour with breaking news. - in new york, there are civil and criminal investigations into the former president's business dealings. and in georgia, a special grand jury is looking into efforts to overturn the 2020 election. tomorrow in atlanta, rudy giuliani is expected to testify. - we will not talk about

-- rudy giuliani.generally we have seen a real _ this? -- rudy giuliani. generally we have seen a real uptick— this? -- rudy giuliani. generally we have seen a real uptick in _ have seen a real uptick in defamation cases. i don't know what these statistics are, but they certainly, they have garnered a lot of attention in the press and from across the spectrum, people understanding their rights to bring these sorts of cases and are doing so and when appropriate. so we may see more in the future. in this particular case, giuliani and the statements by his co—conspirators including the former president regarding freeman and moss were part of this case and part of the story told in this programme last week. thank you for all of your insights there. formerfederal prosecutor there. the affects of air pollution on hearts and lungs are well documented, but there's now growing evidence that different pollutants also affect our brains. fossil fuels, cigarette smoke, and wildfire smoke are the primary contributor

yet, giuliani says, the fix was in. if you are looking for a sign, any sign of contrition, giuliani, instead, confessed that he still believes all of it. >> do you still believe these claims? >> i have no doubt that my comments were made, and we're support-able, and our support-able, today. >> joining me now, cnn political commentator ashley allison, and alice stewart. marcus childress this year, a former investigative counsel for the january 6th select committee. media commentator, brian stelter, also with us as well. marcus, 100 $48 million. the jury, no doubt, knows that giuliani is scraping for cash. they wanted to send this message anyway. >> this is about accountability. accountability for democracy, for the big lie that mr. giuliani was so central to spreading. but, like miss ruby, moss, and freeman said, this does not make them whole. in fact, it is still sad to hear what they have to go through when they testified to her committee. they talked about how they received threats such as, you are lucky it is 2020 in

giuliani and his friends. now what this week has been about and hopefully what the future is about, is hearing the truth, hearing the truth spoken to power. ms. freeman and ms. moss are so appreciative of the jury doing their civil duty and listening to what they have been through, which was very difficult for us all to hear. you know, not to even mention of course how difficult it was for them to experience it. so, they're very appreciative. they feel that this is an important step in the path forward justice, but money doesn't make you whole when your life is turned upside down. but we do believe that it is a powerful message to those sorts of people who would seek to target civil servants in the future. >> annie, really quick is he the last of litigants you think to be held to account? >> as mr. giuliani has said all week but didn't deliver on, stay tuned, and we will deliver. >> we'll see what that delivery will bring. annie larson thank you so much. >> thank you so much laura. >> all this is about what ha

giuliani so embroiled in his legal problems. this, i think, just reflects that there are individuals and too often the elected individuals who are anti-democratic at the core. they are not interested in trying to ensure their democratic system really reflects the will of the american people. i think that what they're trying to do is to exploit any tactic they can nrd to change the outcome of a legitimate election. and this is what i think our government needs to be very concerned about, this is what the american people need to be concerned about, and that's why i think the decision coming down from the court today as well as other efforts to try to hold people to account, including, in particular, and most importantly mr. trump, sends a signal that our electoral system, our elections are sacrosanct, and you try to mess with them at your own peril, hoping there will be continued outcomes, such as today, that clearly does send a clear signal to these individuals that this is totally unacceptable, and it's going to be dealt with ve

rudolph giuliani burst onto the scene in the 1980s. >> giuliani cultivated an image as a mafia fighter what was a relatively new racketeering statute to prosecute members of organized crime. he successfully rode that image into city hall in new york. >> throughout our history, the principle that no person is above or beyond the law has been etched into the foundation of the american legal system. >> reporter: in 1993, giuliani beat indumb bent david dinkins in a race for mayor of new york city. >> there was a feeling new york city was ungovernable. giuliani took the reins of the city, and it was clear who was boss from day one there. and he did a magnificent job, in many ways. >> reporter: andrewky kirkman s covered giuliani for three decades. >> if you're new york mayor, you're a national celebrity. his appearances on "saturday night live." he was at yankee stadium weekly. he loved the limelight. >> reporter: he even paraded in drag in 1997. >> you like this? nice, right? you like it, huh? >> reporter: but then unimaginable tragedy struck new york city. >> we just got a report in that

giuliani. yesterday a jury ordered the disgraced former mayor to pay $148 million to two georgia election workers he defamed in the wake of the 2020 election. >> earlier in the day, ruby freeman and shae freeman moss and one other gentlemen quite obviously, surreptitiously passing around usb ports as if they're vials of heroin or cocaine. i mean, it's obvious to anyone who is a criminal investigator or prosecutor, they're engaged surreptitious illegal activity, again that day. >> as we have noted many times on this program, none of those statements are true. but some americans took giuliani at his word, unleashing a torrent of attacks against the election workers. >> [bleep] [bleep] [bleep] >> we're going to burn your straw down. >> have a nice life. >> you are all going to [bleep] jail, you pace of [bleep]. >> and provision to nearly $150 million he owes ruby freeman and shae moss, giuliani also the mounting legal phase, even unpaid phone bills. cnn's brian todd has a look at giuliani's financ

punitive damages with respect to rudy giuliani. but, the message is not just to rudy giuliani. it is a little bit like a dominion case which is that the message is to enablers of donald trump that if you engage in this conduct, this is what can happen. it is, that does not involve jail time. it is a question of there being some legal accountability and deterrence for engaging in this kind of activity. in terms of the criminal case, if i were jack smith or on his team, i would be looking to see how the ruby freeman and shaye moss do on the stand? you have some sense of that from their congressional testimony which you played. they, by all accounts, were victimized. that is something that i think, like any juror, like we are reacting to it saying that this is just completely senseless and it is like what mr. sperling said in the georgia case which is that this is the violence that is going to happen if donald trump and his enablers continue engaging in this kind of conduct. >> the jury that is going to be deciding on all of this is basically the washington, d. c.. there is a lot

so rudy giuliani claims he is real broke. and this defamation suit could cost him tens of millions more unless he is hiding a few more luxury new york city apartments he can sell, this is all likely to hurt him financially a lot. and despite these financial straights giuliani continues to open himself up to more potential defamation suits like the one on monday. giuliani is making the decision to gravely antagonize two women who could potentially be witnesses in jack smith's federal criminal election interference case against donald trump in which rudy giuliani is unindicted coconspiratorter number one. he is a lawyer, yes, but maybe not so much a legal scholar. joining me now is andrew wiseman, a senior member of special counsel robert mueller's investigative team and now co-host of indispensable podcast, prosecuting donald trump. that's how firmly i believe in the essentialness of your podcast. andrew, number one, in terms of rudy giuliani here, is it -- i mean how likely is it that ruby freeman and shaye moss are called as

giuliani refused to produce, it was any documents. he produced a sliver of documents in his possession, and most of those were unintelligible and irrelevant. and the judge found that he failed to preserve evidence, and this is a man who has been a lawyer for decades. he knows what the rules require, and he madea conscious, willful decision not to preserve those materials. there are consequences in the courts, when you fail to comply with the rules. so, the court provided him with opportunity after opportunity to produce the records. she gave him warning shots, set, if you don't produce, i am going to consider serious sanctions. he refused to comply. so, she issued a 58-page opinion, finding that his failure to preserve warrants, default judgment on liability, and then, even then, she said, you had an opportunity to produce your financial records, to avoid a mandatory instruction to the jury relating to the financial numbers, and he still would not produce them. so, he had years of opportunities, so when you hear him out there, talking

their lawyers pointed to these comments from giuliani outside court this week to prove that giuliani still is not remorseful. >> of course i don't regret it. i told the truth. they were engaged in changing votes. >> hello, everyone. >> reporter: giuliani first made false statements about freeman and moss after the 2020 election, including to a georgi investigating alleged but unfounded voter fraud. >> it's a tape earlier in the day of ruby freeman and shaye freeman moss and one other gentleman. i mean, it's obvious to anyone who's a criminal investigator or prosecutor they are engaged in surreptitious illegal activity, again, that day. >> reporter: the mother and daughter detailed in hours of emotional testimony on the stand how these false allegations upended their lives. they received death threats. they've been forced into hiding. and they've been turned down for jobs. they also recounted the agony for the january 6th committee. >> i've lost my name and i've lost my reputation. i've lost my sense of security. >> this affected my life in a major way. in every way. all because of li

giuliani caused these two amazing, brave heroes. but we will do absolutely everything we can to give them -- to track the money down and try to enforce this judgment as best we can. >> do you know at this stage, i mean, how much money rudy giuliani actually has? i know he's being sued for more than $1 million in unpaid bills by his previous legal team. he owed $60,000 in -- apartment is for sale, sitting on the market for a while now. i know before today's judgment, he owed your clients $200,000 in court ordered sanctions related to legal fees. how do you try to collect $148 million from someone like that? >> it's interesting something you said in the lead-in. mr. giuliani had the opportunity to present the evidence and he never did. it's the same story with regard to his financials. out of court, he has repeatedly claimed he is unable to pay. and every time throughout this entire litigation, the court has held him to produce records, to show that, to substantiate that, he hasn't done it. so, i am quite skeptical of what he says pub

how does this play into your new lawsuit against giuliani? what do you actually want to get out of that? >> well, as you just heard, the big difference between the new lawsuit and the lawsuit that just resulted in the verdict on friday is that the new law seeks injunctive relief. in this law lawsuit we're looking for an injunction that would stop him from making these specific kinds of claims about ruby freeman and shaye moss. we know mr. giuliani doesn't seem to care about court orders. the utility is significant. so among other things, an injunction can stop anyone who is in active concert with mr. giuliani or any of his agents from violating a court injunction. in addition, an injunction is something that other people cannot assist mr. giuliani in violating. there's real teeth to an injunction. and we think it's going to be a powerful remedy and we're very serious about making sure that mr. giuliani finally stops spreading his lies about ms. freeman and ms. moss. >> thank you. i appreciate your time. >>> next, the software engineer who was

giuliani. he would have to file an peal bond, that comes a a great cost when you have verdict that is this large and is based on the amount of the verdict. whether he has the resources and the wherewithal to put together that bond would remain to be seen. >> let's talk about that, the resources, becausee know giuliani does not actually have this kind of money. how much he has, we don't necessarily know. if he cannot pay whatever this ends up landing off of, if the judge decides to reduce it or not, what happens then? >> well, it looks like giuliani does not have a good financial option. you would expect someone behaving rationally in this situation might try to file for bankruptcy. but because this verdict against giuliani is based on intentional willful conduct, this sort of -- is not dischargeable. ruby freeman and shaye moss would get in line with other creditors to see what could be done with his remaining assets, his real estate, that could be foreclosed upon and sold. they wouldn't get th

rudy giuliani is a good man. i know some of you may not think that. asking you to be reasonable. and then he also asked jurors to remember giuliani's reputation from years gone by, mayor of new york city after 9/11, as a prosecutor who took down the mob. saying rudy giuliani shouldn't be defined by what's happened in recent times. this is a man who did great things. when it comes to the jury deciding the damages, does this have impact? should it have impact? >> no, kate. it's irrelevant, first of all, at best. the jury is not there passing judgment on whether rudy giuliani is or was a good human being, they're passing judgment on how much were ms. moss and ms. freeman damaged and how much does rudy giuliani need to be punished. the other thing is i think that argument actually cuts against rudy giuliani because you're reminding the jury this is a very powerful man, this is a person who knows better. this is a person -- >> yeah, he should know better. >> he was a very high-ranking prosecutor, he was the mayor and then he goes and does this. he is not a

rudy giuliani. there's going to be a couple things that happen still in court. so there's something still on the table where their teams had gone to the judge and wanted a court order to order rudy giuliani to take down anything on his social media accounts, on websites he controlled that would repeat these sorts of false statements. we're going to wait and see if they're going to continue asking for that. the judge might have some sort of order like that. essentially barring giuliani from continuing to propagate these lies and then the other thing that's going to happen is they're very likely going to be coming to court, they already indicated that they're going to come to court to try and get to those payments as quickly as possible. that they're going to want to try and get rudy giuliani to put liens on things that he has and they're going to want to do that before he has the chance to get bond or an appeal. so all of that is going to be playing out in the coming days in the court. but rudy giuli

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> tonight on 360 a jury puts a price on rudyi giuliani's live?reeman ever see a dime of the $1 tray million he has been ordered to pay. >>> we now know what killed actor matthew perry, who drown after taking a large amount of ketamine. dr. sanjay gupta joins us. >>> man whose fall from grace rivals, any in history. earlier this was rudy giuliani, america's mayor some called him. former crime busting u.s. attorney. looking on the photo for all the world like a man on top of this. for years working for and lying for a man, in his prior life, he may pay for a fraction of those lice. two 2020 georgia election workers whom he defamed again and begin including outside his civil trial earlier this week and again today, after the jury awarded more than $148 million in damages. that includes more than $16 million each for deaf nation, $20 million each for the emotionally discretion he brought them for upending their lives and $75 million in punitive damages. >> the flame rudy jewell alien are lit to keep that flame blazing changed every sense of our lives

i've never believed he would, simply because he's rudy giuliani. but i don't see him, you know, maybe in a threat of jail, maybe in that last second, but he's not the kind of guy who's ever going to go in front of a camera or write one sentence saying i was wrong. >> rudy giuliani, this fantasy rudy giuliani's going to be a cooperating witness against donald trump will not happen. because of rudy will ever come clean. i don't know if any sign portrait will use rudy giuliani, put him on a stand and rely on him. >> he has been trying to get donald trump to pay his legal bills unsuccessfully. thank you both. and washington today, you can smell that jet fumes as house lawmakers were leaving town for the long holiday recess. not before authorizing and impeachment inquiry into president biden. we'll speak with a member of the house oversight committee right after this. also speaking of evidence, a follow-up to our monday interview with senator ron johnson. >>> these folks did nothing different than what many democrats have done -- i can't give you the ex

i've never believed he would just because he's rudy giuliani.ut i don't see him, you know, maybe in the threat of jail, maybe in the last second. but he's not the kind of guy who's ever going to go in front of a camera or write one sentence saying, i was wrong. >> rudy giuliani is -- this fantasy that rudy giuliani is going to be a cooperating witness against donald trump will not happen. i don't know that rudy will ever come clean. no sane prosecutor would use rudy giuliani as a witness, put him on a stand, and rely on him. >> andrew kirtzman, elie honig, thank you both. >>> in washington today, you could smell the jet fumes as house lawmaker wrs leaving town before the long holiday recess. not before introducing an impeachment inquiry into president biden. >>> and a follow-up to our interview monday night with senator ron johnson. >> these folks did nothing different than what many democrats have done in many states. i'm not prepared to give you exact states, but it's happened repeatedly. just go check the books. >> which books? >>> this week

and rudy giuliani is still talking. he is refusing frankly to back down even tonight. >> i have no doubt that my comments were made, and they were supportable and are supportable today. >> no doubt? hmm. let's not forget what ruby freeman and shaye moss have gone through. and by the way, are still going through. there were those voicemails played in court, voicemails full of obscene and racist threats. and i warn you what you're about to hear is disturbing. >> you're going to jail, ruby. you're gonna get locked up, ruby. that's election fraud, ruby. what was on the usb drive, ruby? you're all going to [ bleep ] jail, you piece of [ bleep ]. >> hey, i hope you like jail because that's where you're going on your way to hell. >> now, these are the most tame of the ones that were actually played in the courtroom. and, again, they didn't do anything wrong. they did exactly what we ask people to do when we have a democracy. they have to work to make our elections free and fair by actually working the elections. and for that,

look, giuliani is in a world of hurt. he has to decide what he can pay attention to and how much he cares about each thing that's facing him. he's indicted in georgia. there are other investigations going on. he's been sued by other people, including his former lawyer. i mean, giuliani has a lot of problems. i think he probably figured that this one probably didn't register as the most important problem or maybe even in the top three most important problems that he's facing. >> how do you think freeman and moss are going to receive any monies? is it going to be liquidating assets? he does have real estate. then again, like you mentioned, there are attorneys who want to get paid as well. or would it be, you know, the court decision in which he would have to pay up first before paying up any outstanding legal bills? >> yeah. the way it's likely to work now is his lawyer is going to do two things. one is, they're going to ask the court to order giuliani to disclose assets. they will probably be successful in that, but they'v

yet, giuliani says the fix was in. if you were looking for a sign, any sign here, he confessed he still believes all of it. >> do you still believe those claims? >> i have no doubt my comments were made and supportable and are supportable today. >> joining me now cnn political commentators. and a former investigator for the january 6th select committee and media commentator is with us as well. marcus, $148 million. the jury, no doubt knows, that giuliani is scraping for cash. they wanted to send a message anyway? >> yes. all about accountability. accountability for democracy and the big lie that he was so central to spreading. but, like mrs. ruby said it is not making them whole. it is super sad hearing what they had to go through. they talked about receiving threats such as you are lucky it is 2020 and not 1820. those are racist. he was central at amplifying and so, while i am happy here with the verdict today, it does not make them whole and the work as they said in their statements is just beginning for holding indi

giuliani tonight calling the $148 million sum absurd and vowing to appeal. ken dilanian has late details. >> reporter: tonight, a jury in washington, d.c. imposing a massive penalty for election lies, ordering rudy giuliani to pay more than $148 million in damages to two former georgia election workers he falsely accused of election fraud. >> today's a good day. a jury stood witness to what rudy giuliani did to me and my daughter and held him accountable, and for that i'm thankful. >> reporter: the judge had already found giuliani liable. tonight, the jury awarding more than $33 million to shaye moss and ruby freeman for defamation, $40 million for emotional distress and ordering giuliani to pay $75 million in punitive damages. >> the absurdity of the number merely underscores the absurdity of the entire proceeding. >> reporter: giuliani had pointed to this video of the two poll workers as evidence of criminal activity. >> quite obviously surreptitiously passing around usb ports as if they're vials of heroin or cocaine. >> what was your mom actually handing

rudy giuliani. so i would say that we have a very talented team of colleagues at the law firm wilkie and fire and gonna work diligently to track down every asset that he has and work to ensure that what he has rightly goes to ruby and shaye for what he owes them. >> do you think mr. giuliani's going to have to post a sizeable bond to stay the execution of thi agreement? >> that's a great question. the answer is, normally that is exactly what has to happen. we will see whether that is something that he intends to do. we intend to move as expeditiously as possible, including to get the court to weigh the automatic stay of execution so that we can start enforcement proceedings immediately. >> and finally, do you see any chance of rudy giuliani on giuliani saying this is gonna be turned over an appeal? is there any validity to that? >> no. is the short answer. throughout this case he have offered the defense that this was his opinion. well, it's not an opinion when you offer facts. it's also, even 80s a

giuliani of doing? guest: there were two people during elections that were counting votes on election night of 2020 in state farm arena. mrs. freeman is the mother. shaye moss is her daughter. among the things that giuliani said about them in meetings with georgia lawmakers as he tried to pursue them -- persuade them to basically ignore or overturn the results that showed that biden had won the election. he said they did things like count and exit 12,000 votes which would have been more than the margin that trump needed to overturn the election. he said they were passing around usb sticks as if they were vials of heroin or cocaine. they testified in congress and in this trial to say among the things that were passing run ginger mints.they did not stuff the ballots at state farm arena. there are acquisitions about suitcases full about being carried in. officials investigated all the allegations that were made. they said the alleged suitcases were actually storage boxes. that is the way they always store

sounds like rudy giuliani will testify.on't know what he's going to say. >> why would that be advantageous for him? >> i don't know is the short answer. his team could argue, well, the amount these people were damaged, the financial damages, were somehow limited but i don't know what rudy's testimony could add to that. maybe he will -- i mean, who knows. maybe he will apologize, express some remorse, maybe he will say he was misunderstood or he misspoke, something to try to mitigate damages because that's what we're talking about here is how much are the damages going to be. >> let's shift gears to his buddy, former president, who was to be in court today for his new york civil fraud case. he promised everybody, he touted he was going to be there and then he had second thoughts. i mean, why? >> it was the least bad option for him. i think he found the least bad option in declining to testify. there is no upside for him, it's all risk. he has already testified in this case, didn't go great. the judge has already ruled agains

some of giuliani's many expensive. himself has hosted a 100,000 dollar per person fund-raiser to help the former mayor pay his legal bills. it is, after, all the least the former president can do for someone who so fervently supported his big lie. it would be the parking lot of philadelphia's four seasons total landscaping two something of a national landmark. giuliani's latest round of troubles will likely have people asking once again, what happened to america's mayor? his competent leadership in the days and weeks immediately following 9/11, urging international praise and renown. time magazine honored him as 2001% of the year. queen elizabeth, even bestowed upon him and honorary knighthood for his actions. giuliani rode that wave of goodwill, as far as he could. his lawyer even alluded to it in court this week, pleading with the jury his client disco, a man who did great things. but the legend of rudy giuliani offer covers up the reality of the man and director of the new york civil liberties union once called quot

. >> and rudy giuliani declares bankruptcy rather than pay out millions in lawsuits. just who he owes money to when all in starts, right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. are very polarized country where it's hard to achieve consensus on just about anything, a strong majority of americans believe that donald trump is a crook. this comes from new polling by the new york times which found that 58% of registered voters need the ex president has committed serious federal crimes. just a third of voters, 33% said no he hasn't. that's a 25 point gap. again, in our very divided times, that counts as a very strong consensus. to be clear, this is not some abnormally anti trump survey. in the very same poll, 46% of registered voters said they would vote for donald trump if the election were held today compared to 44% for joe biden. as within the margin of error so 11 months out it appears to be a neck and neck race between the incumbent democratic president and the guy who is facing 91 felony counts across four separate states and federal cases. this is, of cours

the judge ruled giuliani defamed freeman and moss, now deciding how much giuliani will pay. started with the expectation he made himself that giuliani would testify on his own behalf. he vow yesterday to "give the whole story" in a bit of a dramatic press conference. once he conceded, the trial went to arguments. when that happened, the lawyer asked the jury to award them $24 million each. gottlieb said giuliani "has no right to offer civil servants up to a mob to win a general election." very true. emotional testimony by ruby freeman yesterday. over the course of 90 minutes freeman recounted how she was hounded by death threats, messages calling for her to be lynched. so bad the fbi told her she was not safe as home. she said yesterday, started by one post by giuliani on december 3, 2020 that claimed to show footage of ruby freeman and her daughter pulling suitcases stuffed with ballots. of course, it showed no such thing. in closing arguments giuliani's attorney acknowledged his client "committed wrongful conduct." explaining that he didn't take the stand, because "we feel

the eye-opening decision tonight involving rudy giuliani. the sad turn involving actor matthew perry pandemic how he died. >>> we begin with this major storm set to hit the entire east coast this weekend, millions bracing with heavy rain, snow, flooding and damaging winds, even possible tornados. florida is in the bullseye first. then sweeping up the east coast right into the northeast. florida already battered, conditions deteriorating tonight, several inches of rain on the way, a very real risk of flooding. in fort lauderdale, crews putting down barriers on the beaches against the coming storm surge. also, the potential for tornados, and this grows in strength as it moves up the coast. new york governor kathy hochul warning residents to be prepared. every major airport in the east is in the path of this season. senior meteorologist rob marciano. >> reporter: those two words, grows and strength, we're keying in on that. confirmation today that this thing is going to be really expansive. look at the numbers as far as how much rain up and dow

giuliani of doing? guest: there were two people during elections that were counting votes on election night of 2020 in state farm arena. mrs. freeman is the mother. shaye moss is her daughter. among the things that giuliani said about them in meetings with georgia lawmakers as he tried to pursue them -- persuade them to basically ignore or overturn the results that showed that biden had won the election. he said they did things like count and exit 12,000 votes which would have been more than the margin that trump needed to overturn the election. he said they were passing around usb sticks as if they were vials of heroin or cocaine. they testified in congress and in this trial to say among the things that were passing run ginger mints.they did not stuff the ballots at state farm arena. there are acquisitions about suitcases full about being carried in. officials investigated all the allegations that were made. they said the alleged suitcases were actually storage boxes. that is the way they always store

. >>> also, the staggering decision involving rudy giuliani. and the sad turn, we have learned matthew perry's cause of death. and strong rain, possible flooding from florida all the way up the east coast. several major cities, washington, philadelphia, new york city. possible tornados in florida and the major travel disruption now expected. >>> the bombshell decision from the story tonight against rudy giuliani, ordering him to pay $148 million to the two georgia elections workers, ruby freeman and shea moss, who he falsely accused of wrongdoing, telling the country they passed around usb ports as if they were vials of heroin or cocaine. >>> also, we have now learned matthew perry's cause of death, the coroner releasing the autopsy report tonight and what doctors are saying about what's in that report. >>> the horrific tragedy this evening, the israeli military admitting it accidentally killed three of the hostages during fierce fighting in northern gaza. how did this happen? >>> in new york tonight, the jij sentencing the mother of a 6-year-o

it is a move giuliani's lawyer says, should surprise no one. that settlement is not his only financial headache, after all. according to the bankruptcy filing, giuliani has nearly $1 million in unpaid taxes. he owes his lawyers and accountants hundreds of thousands of dollars, and still faces a number of upcoming defamation cases, ones that have not even yet gone to trial. let's get to caitlin poland. now that giuliani has filed for bankruptcy, will any of these people get paid? >> that is going to be remaining to be seen. in this sort of situation, he is filing for chapter 11. he will be able to restructure his debts and have his assets stalled out. there are liens on some of his properties already. the irs had filed for a lien previously. one of the things so important to look at when you are thinking about this, he is filing for bankruptcy, laying out all of these debts he has, almost $2 million for lawyers and consultants in the past, almost $1 million in taxes. that all pales in comparison to now what he owes ruby freeman and shay moss for