the figure ien likened giustra to is ron buerkle. the thing giustra liked most about clinton was just being in his orbit, in the proximity. he was on his jet 26 times. >> how many dinners did he have with the president of kazakhstan and other countries who had massive uranium deposits in their country before he met bill clinton? >> i don't know, joe. >> i don't either. but i would bet that the answer to that is zero. and i remember reading about this deal back when it happened. looking at going, wow. >> josh, goodsdid the foundation pick up any part of the 25 reported jet trips? >> i don't know because they had not been forthcoming with nearly as much information as they ought to. they haven't even released the name of over 1,000 donors i think now. even after having agreed to do so. so we really don't know what is going on. and it's frustrating i should point out, not just to journalists, but yesterday in africa, at a clinton foundation event, one of the big donors up on stage with bill clinton actually kind of lambasted him and sai