as professor glaude alluded to, there could be without the intervention of ron desantis and the folksafrican american studies would be different than professor dyson, professor west's, professor gates and so on. there are all kinds of differences. we might emphasize intersectionality one way. somebody a different way. those are legitimate concerns. but when desantis politicizes the whole debate, by an extension of his stop woke act in florida, this is essentially george wallace june 11th, 1963, standing in the doorway to prevent the entree of vivian malone and james hood. without an ap course, they may not get those references. the point is it is not physically the same thing, but it is metaphorically the same thing. it is a governor attempting to -- we should have the freedom to challenge the presuppositions of american democracy in the context of american political life and american academic life. the whole point of black studies is a political movement that led to an academic reflection upon serious concerns of african american life. we can no more distinguish the politics then fro

i want to bring in nbc's, eddie glaude, msnbc contributor. and thank you all for being here. antonia, set the scene for us. >> well, chris, it's a heavy and somber morning, and where i am people are starting to fill in. the parking lot is almost full, and they expect that there's likely going to be overflow, some people who aren't going to be able to physically attend the funeral set to start in about an hour here. you mentioned this a bit. for anyone who hasn't been to a church like this one, a historic black church, you are going to hear a focus on tyre nichols' life, a celebration of who he was as a person, a son, a father, someone who loves skate boarding and photography, had friends all over this country, but you're also going to be given a message, a message that connects tyre to the history, the gravity of this city of memphis. i have had the chance to talk to the senior pastor turner here over the last several days, and i know that you're going to hear several people connect tyre's story to the assassination of dr. king, the activism, the organizing that has happened

>> that is my question for professor eddie glaude. is it good that these people keep coming back to the trough and trying to find some sort of infraction against them, some sort of election conspiracy and judges keep saying, no, no, no, or is it good because judges keep saying no? or is it bad they keep coming back? they keep coming back. kari lake, donald trump, when will they ever go away and realize they lost and probably broke the law? >> it's a good thing judges are saying no. it is a bad thing, though, that they keep coming back. it erodes the trust in the democratic process. part of what joe, and we've been talking about, is americans have been awash in lies. those lies have, in some ways, affected our ability to engage in reasoned deliberation, to do the work that madisonian democracy requires. with donald trump tweeting the special grand jury's report is a clear exoneration of him, that's just fat elvis running the bill barr move with regards to mueller, right? we know these people are trying to pursue power and protect thems