so in this particular photograph, this is again at glen canyon park. where you can see it's a set of stairs, with a handrail. leading up into this wooden play structure. but off to the right-hand side is the actually transfer tier, where a child can transfer out of chair, onto a raised deck, and there are hand grips. so that there are things to hang on to while you are doing that functional transfer. however, you are trained or however you learned to do the transfer. and then the steps are a certain height or within a range. so that you can kind of butt-bump into the play structure to play with your siblings. i call it the butt-bump. [laughter ] . >> it works. >> again this particular structure is out at st. mary's, i believe. when there is over 20 play elements, then of the elevated ones that are up inside the play structure, 25% of those can be reached by transfer tier, but then 25% must be reached by ramp, for a total of 50% or more play elements must be in that kind of accessible reach-range. but one of the things that i think, as adults, we are re