people asked to participate, like glen carl yes, he had a long career in the c.i.a. that did not include interrogation. he knew nothing about interrogation. even as he was sent obvious on the important high-profile mission to interrogate an jordan allen suspect. >> when he was -- integrate an al qaeda suspect. >> there was no instruction. >> the extent was be creative do what you can to get information. that can be interpreted in a million different ways. there wasn't a happened back day briefing or a course. when you go overseas there's extensive training for anything, trade craft. recruiting sources. there was no such thing. snow how does the c.i.a. identify those agents who would be likely to be helpful in these situations? >> that's a good question. the c.i.a. that i knew - i can't thing of a person who would have thought that torturing someone was a way to get knalty intelligence post inch the agency -- post 9/11 the agency went on a recruiting spree. it makes me wonder if the clandestine service can be made up of people who knew less about intelligence and that