that the troks were actually even in existence until i came to san francisco, and my late friend glen clekner introduced me. i was so enthralled with the male/female aspect of the company, that i was immediately drawn to it, for sure. best of both worlds. >> in your performances, there are times when it's easy to forget you're not typical female performers, the male/female thing you were just talking about. the tutus, the makeup and beautiful dancing. then you remind us that this is not regular ballet. let's just take a quick look at what you do. ♪ >> do you think about the stereotypes, getting back to the gender roles? and do you focus on that, or mostly on the dancing? >> we have a really balanced show. so we definitely want to give audiences moments of the heroine, and the prince, and, you know, the villain. but i think as the show progresses, we focus more on our technique and our performance. and the audience themselves, they forget that we're men. and they just see our dancing. i think that's a nice point to prove to people. >> and you're serious dancers. but kind of also mocking the, y