glen corp never -- i requested interviews with glen corp, and they were very busy. so it wasn't quite as extreme as in your case, about it did seem like for a very, very long time no one was available. no matter where i was going to be or was willing to go. >> host: well, i think we are out of time. but thank you for spending an hour talking to me, and thanks to the viewers for spending an hourliesenning. >> guest: thank you.