but what we're not getting and what glen greenwald's point was and i think really the point of the occupationd the reason why the richest country in the world is in the streets is because the very principles of fairness that this country was founded on are being so explicitly breached. i don't think people really comprehend how powerful the dynamics of behavioral economics are, where it doesn't matter how wealthy or poor you are. if you are getting screwed by the guy sitting next to you, there's a natural human response to that. >> and it certainly doesn't feel like we're number one right now, when you have 14 million people unemployed. you have the top 1% controlling the income. and you're seeing a political class in washington that's fixate on all these other problems. they're talking about the debt, the deficit, talking about cutting social security, talking about cutting medicare, talking about cutting taxes and the wealthy. and they're not talking about -- >> or explosive growth. there's no talk of explosive growth. >> i have an almost philosophical approach to this pip spent the night d

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. >> greg, kudos for having glen greenwald on the show and pretending it is somebody from national review. somebody at home will get that. kevin, i share your -- some of your reservations about targeting a u.s. citizen for assassination. the last time i check the fifth amendment says no person should be de -- deprived of life, liberty and due process of law. >> then i must bow wrong. >> couldn't he have been charged with treason? >> he could be. and there is a process of convicting people of that. you can hang him for that. i wouldn't weep if they did that. i might go and make popcorn. >> i point being, why didn't they do that? strip him of his citizenship. >> the fact that they are trying to set a precedent. they can do this when ever they want to. >> didn't he renounce his citizenship? >> no. >> okay. >> have i have done that for another five minutes. greg, i don't think -- are you back with us, greg 1234*. >> yes, i am here. >> i don't think your police killing an armed robber analogy works. >> i disagree with you. when you are a terrorist, every act is an act of combat. the battlefiel

glen greenwald, who should folks know?and their ability to resist it. i was supposed to speak at occupy boston yesterday, but it was canceled due to the storm. now the question is can they endure this winter. and interestingly, unions are very experienced in sustaining themselves without protests and are working with these protesters to teach them how. the other aspect is the police response and what seems like a fairly coordinated effort to signal that the kind of unrest that you indicated earlier was expected and didn't really happen, won't be tolerated, and it seems like the more aggressive the police reaction is the stronger the movement becomes. and this quandary is very difficult for them to navigate. >> it's funny, also, because those two things go together in my mind. it seems to me, if michael bloomberg felt like paying me a consulting contract for occupy wall street, why have these big police actions when the weather is beginning to end up being essentially your friend. if you want them to go away, why precipitat

i will say there are glen greenwald, for example, we did a big piece on the drone killings and the illegalityification for what they're doing they would be absolutely skewered. this is one of the underwritten stories that the obama foreign policy for all the continuation of bush and some very key aspects. >> i think, actually, an acceleration of bush and cheney. when you look at the drone attacks into more countries where we haven't declared war. jeffrey sachs, seriously, i want us to think about the legality. first of all, just dropping drones into whatever country you want to drop them into and vaporizing two americans sitting in a car with a drone, again, two very bad americans, mind you, but you cant have it both ways. you can't run as a cruseder against bush/cheney's war on terror and then amp it up the way they have. >> this is foreign policy by the pentagon and it is a continuation of the bush administration. and it is an expansion and it's not leading to any results. that's the real point. we just -- >> we keep getting deeper and deeper into a mess and we're wasting a phenomenal amoun