so what i would like for you to speak to, however, glen martin, is this? what do you do about the handful of people who were not just bent on raising their voices, demanding their anger and objection to the system, but taking it on themselves to destroy property. what is that a manifestation of. what does it accomplish. anger, yes. frustration, yes. determination to do something to change things. yes. >> burning a building? >> i think it's a valid question and police officers have to do the jobs that police officers have to do. people break the law. however, again, we need to pull the lense back and realise if we were as passionate about a young black man on his back with the police officers, as we are about a police car on its back, i think that we would see the change that we see in america, the same passion that we see now, around the fact that there's no indictment. i would like to see it more sustainable the the people engaged in violence are diminishing the chances of this being a meaningful discussion. that's where we need to end up as a country. >>