we want to bring in glen martin, he's the founder of just leadership u.s.a a criminal advocacy group. glen thanks for being with us. what is your reaction to what you've been hearing and what you've been seeing? >> you know obviously no one wants to see police officers hurt no one wants to see the citizens of baltimore hurt. at the same time, to be quite honest, this is what democracy looks like. and the people in east communities have finally had an opportunity to let america hear exactly what they've been hearing from law enforcement for decades. >> to say that's democracy is that really fair? does democracy involve burning people's stores and ending their livelihoods? >> that is a very small group of people in what's a peaceful process. if everyone was burning stores the entire city of baltimore would be burned down. but the treus is truth is, black and brown americans we are so quick to deploy law enforcement resources when these people have been begging for all sorts of resources for many years. jobs employment, education health care and have the governor step up and use racial l

glen martin founder of just leadership usa. rich tafel, founder of republicans law. t than what i was expecting to happen here because part of what i have been outraged about is there was a structure that encouraged bad behavior. now i'm hearing the attorneys say this is about individuals who may have made bad choices, even if my client isn't the person who did it. >> what stands out for me is the severe punishment these folks are facing in the situation. . if we were as addicted to education as we are to punishment, we'd be so much better off. years ago we decided to move our education dollars into the criminal justice system. now our response to a situation like this is harsh punishment. >> it feels like a part of a big story we have told about the criminalization of -- we have talked about it as a school to prison pipeline. we have talked about the criminalization of bad acts of kids, so you have kindergartners getting arrested for things that are just school violations. while i don't think this is a good set of behaviors for educators, watching them be taken away

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. >> glen martin is the founder of just leadership usa a criminal justice advocacy group and he's back in our studio. welcome. >> glad to be back. >> you see this case as a case about race? >> i see this case as a case about a system that is systemically racist. i don't know if these officers are racist. i don't know these officers, this investigation needs to play out, but we have an entire system of policing that does not value the lives of young men of color. >> you're not suggesting that all police officers are racists. >> i'm not suggesting that all police officers are racists but i'm suggesting that simms change people before people change systems. and this system has devalued the lives of men. >> how did the system fail this young man. >> the question was why was he even pulled into the system in the first place. that has not been answered yet. secondly he asked for help prior to being put in the van. why weren't the police officers responsive to that? what is it about people in poor communities, people of color suggest that they shouldn't have responded quickly seeing this pers

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