she's been on stage with glen moore, the only african-american congressman, held events in milwaukee, is still trailing sanders. what do you think she's doing wrong? >> well, i think that the newer generation, the young folks of all colors and even african-american, they don't have the same ties to the old ways. they don't want to hear the sound bites. they want more meat on the bones. and i think they're more excited about someone who touches a cord that they can respond to. for instance, this whole idea of the economy and the wealth generation and the corporate greed, i mean, that's something that really resonates with african-american young people. and also, when bernie sanders talks about black lives matters, a lot of young folks feel like he's serious and means it. it doesn't sound like a sound bite. on the other hand, i think if you look at what clinton is trying to do in terms of reaching out to that demographic, people don't feel like that it's genuine, and there's some mistrust there. i do think, though, that that 30 to 40-something age group -- think about it, alex, a lot of