that's really what glen simpson was doing. he was farming this fake dossier out to as many press agents as he could and then recycling it back to the justice department people and running tight the fbi to give it added weight and credibility. the whole idea is the more people you got talking about a document that is not true, the more people are going to belief an untrue document. that's and happened and the fbi used it to launch the investigation into the trump campaign. and you're exactly right. comey fired, deputy director mccabe fierdz, chief counsel baker demoted and left, lisa page demoted and left and peter strzok, launched and ran the russia information, deputy head of counter intelligence, first demoted and then fired. that has never happened at another federal agency. and now we have glen simpson taking the fifth and the guy in charge of it all, rod rosenstein was a no-show last week when we asked him to come in and give us some answers as well. lou: under subpoena. what are we going see congress do about rod rosenst

dagen: if glen simpson lied, then where are the charges?, it wasn't public, this is not televised, he told congress i told the fbi that christopher steele wanted to take down donald trump. i told them that my wife worked for fusion gps. it was working on putting the dossier together before they ever got the first -- maria: nobody told the fisa court. congressman john ratcliffe told me there's no danger in the president fully declassifying all the pertinent documents in all of this. watch. >> >> all of the documents that chairman nunes and others are seeking to declassify, to have the president declassify, i have seen them. i can tell you as a former federal prosecutor, my opinion is that declassifying them would not expose any national security information, would not expose any sources and methods, it would expose certain folks at the obama justice department and fbi and their actions and their actions taken to conceal material facts from the foreign intelligence surveillance court. maria: there you go. no one told the fisa court. >> very c

this is about the fact that glen simpson could be in trouble.her: he did not tell committees that he met nelly ohr, bruce ohr's wife who is apparently going to testify next week possibly. >> right. there's a reason for this, you don't take the fifth, you've got problems. attorney is giving advise for good reason. heather: should he be subpoenaed? >> he should be subpoenaed, should be brought before the committee and he could then take the fifth publicly. in that event, the congress can get immunity if they wanting to down that route or try to hold him in contempt if they do not believe he's appropriately invoking the fifth amendment. heather: give him immunity -- >> that's not what they are going to do. if you get immunity, you can't plea the fifth, you lost potential for criminal liability and you can be compelled. i don't see them doing that. i think they'll dispute the fifth and say you're not taking the fifth for legal reasons, could take that to district court and challenge him by holding him in contempt. heather: let's talk about the other

lou: good evening, everybody our top stories, glen simpson needs the fifth on capitol hill. n gps, the smear merchant firm behind the fraudulent anti-trump dossier. the fbi and the department of justice used to spy on the trump campaign and to ultimately create the russia witch hunt. simpson today refusing to answer questions from congress. his decision angered house republicans. >> i'm not surprised that glen simpson is taking the fifth. he probably should. he's in real legal jeopardy. very clearly someone is not

>> as i think has been widely reported, glen simpson did appear yesterday pursuant to the subpoena.ered two or three questions and then invoked his fifth amendment rights. but i will say, we already have sworn testimony from glen simpson and it directly conflicts with sworn testimony of bruce ohr at the department of justice about their interactions with one another with christopher steele and about the steele dossier that was at the center of this investigation. so sometimes silence speaks volumes and there's certainly enough here for u.s. attorney john huber who has been detailed to investigate fisa abuse to look further at this matter. nellie ohr, the wife of bruce ohr, will be testifying on friday. i plan to question her, obviously, about her involvement and operational role along with her husband, the fact that they were paid by fusion gps and benefited from the creation of the steele dossier as the central piece of evidence before the foreign intelligence surveillance court, a fact that was never disclosed to the judges at the court. we want to ask her about that. tomorrow, fb

fusion gps co-founder glen simpson planning to plead the fifth to avoid speaking in front of congresslen simpson had previously testified under oath to the house intelligence committee that he never met with bruce ohr or discussed with bruce ohr the steele dossier prior to the october fisa application in 2016 or the 2016 presidential election. that is in direct contradiction to what bruce ohr told me under oath last month. he's in real legal jeopardy, very clearly someone is not telling the truth. carley: simpson's firm was behind the controversial anti-trump dossier. president trump answering questions as to whether james mattis could be the next to leave the administration. >> i don't know. he hasn't told me that. >> do you want him to leave? >> i have a good relationship with him. i think he's sort of a democrat, if you want to know the truth. but general mattis is a good guy. we get along very well. he may leave. i mean, at some point everybody leaves, everybody, people leave. that's washington. carley: sort of a democrat. mattis has openly disagreed with president trump on severa

i was thinking because of the work of congressman meadow, congressman jordan, digging, glen simpson andtopher steele were out peddling their story to the media trying to get it out before the election two years ago. showing political covers. two years later, glen sim sonl can't come and testify to congress because he has to invoke hills right against self inincrimination. how far has this investigation turned. collusion a russia, to collusion with the democratic party and the fbi. it's because of people like congressman meadows and congressman jordan. >> and you and sarah and greg and others deserve credit. i call it the year of the boomerang. will we get the declassified unredacted materials? >> yeah, i think we will get them. hopefully. >> sean: before the election. >> before the election. hopefully small group of them before the election. and we need to have them. >> sean: sr. ra? >> absolutely, we need the dossier, the gang of eight packet that will disclose the exculpatory evidence, and the 302s. >> sean: john? >> no doubt. >> sean: before the election? >> some of it, a lot of it w

glen simpson, fusion gps, refused to come before congress, i talked to chairman gowdy this evening, the we have now is to hold him in contempt of congress. >> sean: why isn't that happening? where are the 302s that the president was going to release? where are the fisa warrants he was going to release? >> we have got to get those out. transparency is good. as you know, i've been advocating for that,ve the president is advocating. but he wants to be cautious. i applaud that. he's getting accused left and c right of interfering in this investigation. >> sean: interfering? they're obstructing a congressional investigation, that's your constitutional role to your credit you're doing. sara carter? >> oh, i couldn't agree more with you, sean, on this. look, we have rod rosenstein, obviously a lot of information has come out in the last few weeks.ma we know that james baker, the former general counsel of the fbi, came forward and said, we took seriously what he said. he wanted to invoke the 25th. we now know -- >> sean: wear a wire. >> that's right. secretly record the president of the united

lou: good evening, everybody our top stories, glen simpson needs the fifth on capitol hill.son the towner of fusion gps, the smear merchant firm behind the fraudulent anti-trump dossier. the fbi and the department of justice used to spy on the trump campaign and to ultimately create the russia witch hunt. simpson today refusing to answer questions from congress. his decision angered house republicans. >> i'm not surprised that glen simpson is taking the fifth. he probay s

we were trying to get to the connection between fusion gps and glen simpson.nd ultimately the go-between, which was in our opinion at times nellie ohr to bruce ohr at doj and then to the fbi. and so a lot of the communication, he was actually a cooperative witness, but when it got down to the real details, she either didn't recall or they invoked a privilege that would say that the intimate conversations between a husband and wife could not be divulged and certainly claimed that privilege. so i don't know that we've learned a whole lot. >> sean: the dossier she worked only that clinton paid for that was use to, well, propagandize the american people with lies before the election and used later as a weapon to try to bring the president down. that was part of the media leak strategy, the insurance policy to get the special counsel appointed. they are being uncooperative, not allowing people like our friend mark meadows here to do his job, which is oversight. they keep refusing to turn over documents. they lie in the name of national security and they've been pro

and then glen simpson. wanted to find out whose idea was it to create this back channel. was it the ohrs or simpson? the ohrs remain a central focus in the investigation. >> >> shannon: you mentioned glen. that's where this all linked back to. he was on the hill this week too, but didn't get anything from him. >> he's the cofounder of fusion gps. and he takes the fifth. his lawyers say he's been on the hill multiple times before, which is accurate, but those committees didn't have the full picture about this back channel with the dossier with the fbi. so he takes the fifth. they argued we need to see the big picture. they flagged russian interference first. and you should not look so much at the dossier. but you know the dossier needed to be verified and it was not verified to get that surveillance warrant. >> shannon: that's right. another key witness on the hill -- it's been a very busy week for you. another key witness there is not reportedly backing away from these claims, when rod rosenstein is quoted

we were trying to get to the connection between fusion gps and glen simpson.imately the go-between, which was in our opinion at times nellie ohr to bruce ohr at doj and then to the fbi. and so a lot of the communication, he was actually a cooperative witness, but when it got down to the real details, she either didn't recall or they invoked a privilege that would say that the intimate conversations between a husband and wife could not be divulged and certainly claimed that privilege. so i don't know that we've learned a whole lot. >> sean: the dossier she worked only that clinton paid for that was use to, well, propagandize the american people with lies before the election and used later as a weapon to try to bring the president down. that was part of the media leak strategy, the insurance policy to get the special counsel appointed. they are being uncooperative, not allowing people like our friend mark meadows here to do his job, which is oversight. they keep refusing to turn over documents. they lie in the name of national security and they've been proven to

the co-founder of fusion gps will plead the fifth today on capitol hill glen simpson will appear beforekers under subpoena but not answer questions. this as carter page, the former trump campaign aide, sues the dnc for defamation. >> it goes beyond damages and financial aspects, you look at the damage to our democratic systems and institutions of government back in 2016, and i'm just trying to get some justice in terms of getting some disclosure. heather: the dnc paid for the research in the dossier which claims page helped russia meddle in the 2016 election. >>> also on capitol hill, a former senate intelligence committee aide pleads guilty to lying about media leaks. james wolf admitting to lying to the fbi about feeding information to reporters including one for the new york times who he was dating. wolf served at the panel's security director for 29 years, maintaining all classified information from the executive branch. he will be sentenced in december. >>> a federal judge throws out a lawsuit filed by stormy daniels against president trump and orders her to pay his legal fees. the

. >> reporter: glen simpson will plead the fifth rather than testify to congress.paid by the dnc and clinton cam bain for the work on the trump dossier. he questioned the motives, saying the goal of the committee is to discredible and damage witnesses. he told another house panel he first met with bruce ohr after the 2016 he'll ex. 2016 election. that contradicts e-mails that shows meeting earlier. at least five sources brought the dossier to the fbi's attention before and after election day. former fbi director james comey seemed vague about the dossier and what he knew of its political origins. >> who told you about them? >> i don't remember. someone on the senior staff. i remember they briefed me about it, explained they came from a reliable source. >> reporter: other information about russian hacking was provided to the fbi by a lawyer whose firm commissioned the trump dossier. that revelation was confirmed by the fbi's former general counsel, james baker. a yo spokesman denied any connection to the dnc and clinton campaign work. ron johnson sent a letter to di

firm behind antitrump dossier is said to plea the fifth, house judiciary committee subpoenaed glen simpsontorney says he won't testify, testify claiming that the investigation isn't, quote, designed to discover the truth. dnc and hillary clinton's campaign hired fusion gps in 2016 to investigate then candidate donald trump's possible links to russia. president trump heading to ohio for third make america rally this week, so busy, to stomp for republican congressman renaci facing brown in a tight senate race. president will hold another rally tomorrow in kentucky. jillian: battle for baseball national league's crown starts tonight. milwaukee brewers in their first nlcs since 2011 and dodgers hope to win second straight after beating the atlanta braves, first 8:09 on fox sports one. defending super bowl champs back to 500 record, helping the philadelphia eagles soar to 34 to 13 victory. struggling new york giants. fourth straight time the eagles have beaten giants, division rival. rob: giants, you're happy. did you know she's from philadelphia. [laughter] jillian: every time he says this. ro

glen simpson will appear before lawmakers under subpoena but not answer questions. carter page, the former trump campaign aide, who was spied on as a result of the dossier, sued the dnc for defamation. >> it goes beyond any damages or financial aspects. you look at the damage it did to our democratic systems and our institutions of government back in 2016 and i'm just trying to get some justice in terms of getting some disclosure. rob: all right. taking a look now at live pictures from riad, saw give sa. mike pompeo sent there by the president to get answers about missing columnist jamal cay cay khashoggi. the saudis may admit that he was accidentally killed during a botched interrogation at the saudi consolate in istanbul, turkey. we'll keep you updated on how that meeting goes. a tense time. here is some of that video right there, you see them smiling but some serious issues they have to talk about today. carley: that's right. this is live, you're looking at a live look right now, it's noon over there. the president very interested in this case as it's quickly unf

. >> glen simpson will plead the fifth rather than testify to congress.is firm fusion gps was paid by the dnc and clinton's campaign. they say the goal. committee is to discredit and damage witnesses. last year he told another house panel that he first met with justice department official bruce ohr after the election. that contradicts ohr's e-mails that show contact months earlier a review by fox news of congressional testimony, court records rand other documents indicate five sources brought the dossier to the fbi's attention before and after election day. speaking with bret baier earlier, former fbi director james comey seemed vague about the dossier and what he knew of its political origins. . >> bret: who told you about them i don't remember. some one on the senior staff. >> bret: did they describe it? >> they said it came from a reliable source. >> other information about russian hacking was provided by michael susman whose firm commissioned the dossier. that was confirmed by the fbi former general counsel james baker a spokesman denied any connectio