then there were people like glenn branca and rhys chatham, who were in bands and then started doing these, sort of, little mini orchestra bands -- >> yeah. >> based on minimalist composer notion of overtones. like glenn had, you know, five guitars all tuned to a certain tuning, which has influenced us, eventually. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and so the band -- you know, there's no way to take 30 years of a band and distill it into a couple of minutes. and everyone who sees this, who knows you or knows the band will say oh i, you know, daydream. different people have different things that they accessed or loved. i want to ask you about how the world changed in those 30 years. you straddled two different eras. you know, the old way of doing business in a literal sense, the selling and distribution of music, the relationship with labels, all that kind of stuff, and all touring and that whole environment on the one hand. an then the more recent period of sonic youth, before the band broke up, digital distribution, people accessing music online for free. the whole economics of it had been upturned. c