that goes back to glenn burke in 1977. i also found a friend of glenn's who owned a resort, a bed and breakfast on the russian river, and spent a lot of time around glenn in that 1982 period where glenn comes out publicly on today show. and he went to new york city with glenn for that trip and had great memories of that. great story about glenn bringing his gay softball team from san francisco up to this little town on the russian river to play against a straight team from a bar in california, the gay team from san francisco, you know, won the game decisively, and then the players from both teams met at the gay bar and the straight bar in this little town, and it totally the changed the attitude tuesday of some of -- attitude of some of these guys in the town who now accepted these gay men and their talent. finding this guy who was retired in hawaii was a lot of fun. >> you have to be, when you're writing a book like this, do you have to be careful not to fall into a trap of and then they met glenn, and everyone understood