it looks like we may have just lost glenn greenwald as he is on videostream. me give a little information as we try to reach him. a second subject we want to take up with glenn greenwald, and that is the latest news that just came down yesterday of attorney general eric holder announcing the justice department would not prosecute anyone involved in the killing and torturing of prisoners in cia custody. the justice department have been investigating the deaths of two men -- one in iraq, one in afghanistan. gul rahman died in 2002 while being held a secret cia facility known as the salt pit in afghanistan. he had been shackled to a concrete wall in near freezing temperatures. manadel al-jamadi died in 2003 while in cia custody at iraq's petraeus abu ghraib prison. his corpse was photographed packed in ice and wrapped in plastic. on thursday, holder said -- the decision has been one of the constitution -- criticized by human rights and the organizations. will the justice department dropped its probe of interrogators involved in the deaths, the government is still

and that was the glenn greenwald of the guardian ramona how is a science proven to separate and kind of alienate himself from the mass media outlets. oh that's right he is revealing secrets that you know many years ago really there was no sort of organization such as we can leak so reporters were just completely reliant on government press releases and what government officials were telling them and this really goes to the point that mr glenn greenwald was making too where over the past several years we've seen reporters get more cozy with their sources more cozy with people who are in power to gain that access and have really lost an adversarial government watchdog mentality that many around the world really think happens here in the united states no united states is known as an advocate for free speech but a place where you're free to you know bent any sort of opinion and really challenge the government however we've definitely seen over the past couple of decades a reluctance to do that reluctance to really advocate for the little guy in the media and you know a lot of it does rea

out some irregularities in the media we've heard from people such as noam chomsky chris hedges glenn greenwald and naomi wolf naomi wolf herself put out a defense of julian a songe really breaking down the sexual misconduct allegations in sweden against him and also tying karl rove to some of the prosecutors over there in sweden now she got a lot of flak for that article which really shows the political hot potato that this case is now you know many political leaders will refrain from supporting joining the sons because they know that it's it could be political suicide and obviously a lot of these journalists are putting themselves at risk simply for defending the acts of weak leaks and julian assange and among his supporters are man can you talk about how julian a songe as a whistleblower what he has come to symbolize today. right well just continuing on the huge amount of support that he's gotten one of the staunchest supporters from the start of this controversy has been daniel ellsberg in general as rick has repeatedly have to have to defend the founder of wiki leaks saying that he is not

and glenn greenwald hits this pretty awesome on his bog or did at the time -- blog, for the media it's is assange a bad guy or a really bad guy instead of considering what is contained in those war logs and what is the, what are the, you know, moral and ethical dimensions and what does it mean about the united states and what we're doing over there. >> with yeah. so i think for us, ultimately, it's going to come down to a cross section between something that shows the breadth of the information and how we process it and the very words and phrases that, like, just move us as artists, you know? and we -- yeah. i'll leave it at that. i don't want to go on too long. >> [inaudible] >> the first time i heard the music, i was a little bit taken aback, i wasn't sure what to make of it, the second time as i gave it more thought, it was like the collective, collective consciousness and that all these things are going on and that more than one person is going to have these ideas, more than one person not just bradley manning is going to have, wants to tell the truth, and it comes out in different