glenn greenwald, welcome back to democracy now!>> good to be back. >> let's start with your reaction to this latest hearing. both democrats and republicans are beginning to seriously question government officials about the nsa scandal. >> it is very encouraging. it is remarkable that you look media isuch of the focused on, the trivialities and personality surrounding this story, it is completely divergent from what has taken place in the halls of washington, in the fisa court, and in american public opinion. the most recent poll shows americans view what edward -- edward snowden is a whistleblower and not a traitor. the fact that you now see members of all political parties within the u.s., senate, house of representatives, increasingly angry over the fact they were misled and lied to by the obama administration, the laws enacted in the wake of nine/ -- 9/11 are being incredibly distorted by secret, legal interpretations approved by secret courts come i think really indicates exactly that spurred edward snowden were valid and compe

as revelations as this story develops but i think it's very clear that glenn greenwald and his colleagues as well as the washington post mcclatchey and others they're furthering this story and they need our gratitude and they're doing what journalists are supposed to do printing information the government doesn't necessarily want in public that's the job of any journalist paying attention to national security and i think all of us should be glad that people like glenn greenwald are doing that kind of work otherwise we wouldn't really know the scale and scope of this spying operation we just have moments left here krag one final question the media's narrative they seem to be covering every aspect of snowden himself but not the real story of the n.s.a. why do you think that is i think it's an easier story to tell i think it doesn't actually threaten people in power i think the real story though what what is going on how is this massive surveillance happening that's the story the american people need to know they've gotten pieces of from the guardian they need a lot more reporters paying a l

snowden said. >> that was glenn greenwald. can go to my first part of the interview at democracynow.org. when we come back, we will be joined by the ecuadoran foreign minister to talk about snowden's bid for asylum in ecuador as well as spying in lead america and around the world. stay with us. ♪ [music break] >> this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. we turn to ecuador, where edward snowden is seeking asylum. the company's president says they can not process the request until he reaches one of their embassies. he recently reported that he received a call from vice- president joe biden urging him to reject snowden's asylum bid. >> what a difference between vice-president biden and his equally raised congressmen and senators threatening the country. it was a friendly and cordial conversation. of course, we discussed the topic of snowden and, for which she communicated a kurdish request from the united states and we reject asylum. i told him with ecuadorean positio

nbc's david gregory, who asked, well, let's listen to what david gregory asked glenn greenwald on "meet the press." >> to the extent that you have aided and abetted snowden, even in his current movements, why shouldn't you, mr. greenwald, be charged with a crime? >> i think it's pretty extraordinary that anybody who would call themself a journalist would publicly muse about whether or not other journalists should be charged with felonies. the assumption in your question, david, is completely without evidence, the idea i've aided and abetted him in any way. the scandal that arose in washington before our stories began was about the fact that the obama administration is trying to criminalize investigative journalism by going through the emails and phone records of a.p. reporters, accusing a fox news journalist of the theory you just embraced, being a co-conspirator with felonies, in felonies for working with sources. if you want to embrace that theory, it means every investigative journalist in the united states who works with their sources, who receives classified information is a crimin

let's talk about it with jeffrey toobin and glenn greenwald. jeff, let me start with you.s your reaction to the verdict? >> i thought it was a good verdict. i think the charge of helping the enemy was excessive and i think it was good the judge acquitted him of that charge, but i think what manning did was appalling. i think he betrayed his fellow members of the military and service and he should be going to prison and will be. >> glen, i know you disagree. >> i do. i think the verdict and i also think that jeff's comments kind of under score what a lot of people hate about washington, which is if you're rich and powerful in washington, the laws don't apply and you don't get punished. the only people that do are bradley manning. one of the theories they used was that he engaged in espionage and helped the enemy because the material he caused to be published on the internet was helpful to osama bin laden. bob woodward wrote books and published secrets more secret than what wood ward published and nobody would talk about bob wood ward the way jeff tuben did because he's in g

but some of documents released showed they were going to create fake documents, leaked them to glenn greenwald when greenwald eventually release them, they would expose it as a fraud and attempt to undermine him in that way. they had a similar chain for chamber watch as well. >> the concern was glenn greenwald's of wikileaks was giving them legitimacy. >> yes. they said in their, well, he is just a professional journalist and he will fold under pressure immediately. apparently, they were wrong about that. foundre were also e-mails where these private security firms were assessing the damage that journey scale's books had done -- jeremy schedules books had done to blackwater? >> i ran across that in the stratfor leaks. it were monitoring this because they were concerned lack water was going to get into the private intelligence business themselves. they were commenting on scahill. saying, i don't care much for his politics, but he really has these guys figured out. that was a little complement fors cahill. the amazing thing in all of this, is the degree to which these private security firms are

it's not going to work if glenn greenwald has way more stuff that is going to threaten entire trade deals which is the one between the european union and the united states which is certainly what the french foreign minister and the rest of any of germany saying they're going to be urging talks is not taken as a joke because in the european union they harp on and doggone about the data protection act i think everyone in certainly in britain is talking about data protection of european that just nation about it in other words the european union is pointlessly drawing up legislation about freedom of information when in fact all it means is that word military industrial information goes straight to washington ahead of the talks let alone defense matters because france is a nuclear power britain's codes and you are with washington you talk about industrial information many saying this is more about industrial espionage than the national security interests or does this kind of spying industrial espionage leave us with less to worry about or is it just as bad. it's interesting to note from the n

. >>> now ahead on "the five," eric had a couple of big interviews with rush limbaugh and glenn greenwald earlier today on fox and friends. we'll show you some of the highlights. don't go away! ♪ >>> so lawyers are asking the pentagon to hold off force feeding gitmo inmates during the day out of respect for the religious holiday. meanwhile, the u.n. human rights council of inquiry on syria found much like in other places of the world christians are under attack by islamic militias. those that do not flee often end up dead. just last week, a catholic syrian priest was murdered by syrian rebels. the media here does a great but very easy job focusing on extremism here. we target those god awful ghouls like the phelps family, they're easy, comedians like to put outrage on them. but that's one sad family and they aren't trying to blow up marathons. if you had guts, stop by a mosque and ask about other factions around the world festering hate. we embrace tolerance, yet those expecting it remain immune from its demands and we tolerate their in tolerance for fear we will hurt their feelings. call

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we need answers for certainly our right so we've heard for calls of the arrest of journalist glenn greenwald for the way that he published the stories given to him do you think that he leaked that if he published those leaks responsibly based on everything i know absolutely i think that you know we should be thanking going greenwald he did what you're supposed to do find sources and report the news that's what journalists do that it's what reporters do we'll learn more about snowden's revelations as this story develops but i think it's very clear that glenn greenwald and his colleagues as well as the washington post mcclatchey and others they're furthering this story and they need our gratitude and they're doing what journalists are supposed to do printing information the government doesn't necessarily want in public that's the job of any journalist paying attention to national security and i think all of us should be glad that people like glenn greenwald are doing that kind of work otherwise we wouldn't really know the scale and scope of this spying operation we just have moments left here

joining me now from rio de janeiro is columnist for the guardian, glenn greenwald. glen, thanks so much for joining us. i want to get right to the news of today, which is snowden has told the russian lawyer who's advising him, i will fulfill president putin's condition. as someone who has been in touch with snowden, is it your understanding that snowden is agreeing to no further leaks or is he simply maintaining his belief that the leaks are not harming national security? >> i think it's both. he said from the beginning that the condition that he not harm the united states was a very easy one for him to fulfill because nothing he's done has harmed the united states. quite the contrary, it's strengthened the united states by exposing what its political leaders are doing in the dark which strengthens democracy and brings about transparency but i think there's a misconception on the question of will he continue to do the leaks which is how these stories have been reported. he hassen been leaking document by document. he turned over to us many thousands of documents wee

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i spoke to glenn greenwald a couple of minutes ago.story from ed snowden originally with "the guardian" newspaper. here is what he had to say. >> he said that he completely understood that once he came forward against the u.s. government and the obama administration, that he would become the most wanted man on earth and would be hunted down by the world's most powerful state. and obviously he wants to stay out of the clutches of the u.s. government given the way that they persecuted whistle blowers. he's obviously trying to find the place where he can do that. but his real goal is to continue to be part of the conversation about why he did what he did, what it is that he saw in the nsa, how these spying powers were being abused and to continue to make people around the world and his fellow citizens of the united states aware of what their government is doing. >> brian: he himself has a mentor. >> eric: greenwald points out that there is a lot more nsa stuff. you may not like what ed snowden did and you might not like how did he it, but

glenn greenwald, we'll talk to him tonight. >>> and later, believe it or not, $136 million in stolen jewels was only the tip of the iceberg. we'll go inside a heist some are blaming for in cannes and more than 300 riffoffs, a gang known as the pink panthers. it's a fascinating look. >>> we begin with part two of our series, "rehab racket." shady rehab clinics filing bogus claims for phantom patients. now you it's happening in the state of california, but because it involves federal medicaid funding, we are all paying for it. nearly $186 million in state and federal tax dollars over just the last two years. the year-long investigation from cnn and the center for investigative reporting lays it all out. unscrupulous operators billing the government for bogus clients and getting away with it. in the wake of our reporting, we learned that 29 clinics have been temporarily suspended, cutting them off from state and federal money. and a state senator, who after seeing last night's report, is calling for a full audit of california's program. we'll talk to him shortly. but first, part two of

got plenty of documents which he has in which he had in store but now of course he according to glenn greenwald he doesn't have any any more documents that left that he could possibly reveal but the reason for the initial revelation was also presented by edward snowden in his interview to going to greenwald prior to during his initial interview in may i increasingly was exposed to true information that had not been propagandized in the media. that we were actually involved in misleading the public and misleading all the public's not just the american public in order to create a certain mindset in the global consciousness and i was actually a victim of that i grew up with the understanding that the world i lived in was one where people enjoyed a sort of freedom to communicate with each other and privacy without it being monitored without it being measured analyzed or or or sort of judged by these three shadowy figures or systems i think a lot of people of my generation anybody who grew up with the internet that was their understanding. so basically this was the first time that we've heard from e

personality to only focus on him well glenn greenwald articulated my sentiments exactly when he responded to her he said i'm really sorry that i forced you to talk about snowden and barred you from discussing our multiple and as a revelations. that you see no one's forcing the media to just talk about snowden is a national escapade he only came out to say is peace because he knew that he would eventually get smeared by the media anyway so i have a novel idea of blaming the whistleblower for trying to evade death by way of the espionage act you actually talk about the n.s.a. revelations are slow to do the job melissa harris perry failed to do and take a closer look at the velleman first a quick recap already know about prism program that allows the government to gain unprecedented access to user information from online giants in addition to spying on everyone the n.s.a. is storing about a billion cell phone calls on a daily basis at the n.s.a. has no shame guys and despite all of that damning information unfortunate there is much much more. leaks also reveal that the software giant microso

personality to only focus on him well glenn greenwald articulated my sentiments exactly when he responded to her he said i'm really sorry that i forced you to talk about snowden and barred you from discussing our multiple and as a revelations. that you see no one's forcing the media to just talk about snowden as a national escapade he only came out to say is peace because he knew that he would eventually get smeared by the media anyway so i have a novel idea of blaming the whistleblower for trying to evade death by way of the espionage act you actually talk about the n.s.a. revelations are slow to do the job melissa harris perry failed to do and take a closer look at the bellman's first a quick recap already know about prism program that allows the government to gain unprecedented access to user information from online giants in addition to spying on everyone the n.s.a. is storing about a billion cell phone calls on a daily basis at the n.s.a. has no shame guys and despite all of that damning information unfortunate there is much much more. leaks also reveal that the software giant micros

partners now russia's stance on this hasn't shifted but glenn greenwald the guardian journalist who's been working very very closely with edward snowden on these leaks says that he is now in possession of all the relevant documents therefore suggesting basically the edward snowden's leak is over he is now a bystander in this and it is it glenn greenwald's discretion as to what is leaked and when meaning as i say that snowden's leak is over he's a bystander and therefore he probably does fulfill russia's criteria for asylum of course the two presidents relations are great at the moment they did have a phone call we're led to believe on friday the exact topic of discussion this is unknown but the topic of edward snowden was no doubt discussed but i think it's becoming increasingly apparent that neither president and neither country really want this to become a diplomatic route to escalate in asia and and both keen for this to be resolved through diplomatic means as friendly as possible and i think this is probably also turning into a headache that russia could have done without. live ri

. >> we will speak with the guardian's glenn greenwald in brazil. all of that and more coming up. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. deadly violence is continuing in egypt days after the military ouster president mohammed morsi. earlier today, at least 42 people were reportedly killed at the military site where he is being detained. the muslim brotherhood said the victims were holding a peaceful sit in when gunmen opened fire, wounding over 500 area did the victims included women and children. the egyptian military says it returned fire after being attacked by armed assailants. the brotherhood has to announce the shooting as a massacre and is calling for an uprising against the military. today shooting was the deadliest in a wave of violence that has left dozens killed in over 1000 injured since morsi was forced out of office last week area did we will have more from egypt with democracy now! correspondent sharif abdel kouddous after the headlines. russia lawmakers are encouraging national security agency whistleblower edward snowd

glenn greenwald who broke this story for "the guardian" joins us now.be true transparency, why is snowden hold willing on to this as an insurance policy? is this what was referred to in the cold war as a "dead hand"? >> no, the reason is because he's is the classically responsible whistleblower. he vetted thousands and thousands of documents and didn't just dump them on the internet. he came to us as established news organizations and said i want you only to publish what is in the public good and not publish things that would cause gratuitous harm. when i refer to the massive documents he has that could do damage to the u.s. government, what i'm saying is the claim that he's trying to harm the u.s. government is ludicrous. he's done the opposite, asking us to report as juidiciously as we can. >> but there is this information out there thatsomething happens to him, it will be released, is that right? >> no. it's been incredibly distorted. >> when he went to hong kong, before he came to the media he made sure the documents would be released and ensuring p

partners russia's stance has not changed so what conclusions can we draw from that well glenn greenwald the guardian journalist who has been working closely with edward snowden to reveal these leaks he says that he is in he is in possession of all the relevant documents and the edward snowden has passed over all documents to him effectively meaning that snowden's leaks are over and that he is effectively now a bystander and he too is at the mercy of his glenn greenwald and the press who are deciding what revelations will be revealed and when meaning that edward snowden's role in this is over which could be exactly why he meets russia's criteria for. asylum and whether his application is successful or not only time will tell but the indication is that it will be granted russian lawmakers are. in the meeting yesterday and indicated that snowden's application would be looked upon favorably snowden no says that conditions are acceptable he can get it i think he really. satisfies the requirements for a political refugee human rights activists of lawyers who were there. at the end to worry gr

saying -- in a piece for the guardian, glenn greenwald says they were taken out of context and misconstrued as threats. greenwald wrote -- he went on -- in egypt, new clashes have erupted after week of relative quiet. at least seven people were killed and more than 260 wounded in overnight violence spurred by the ouster of president mohamed morsi. supporters of morsi in the muslim brotherhood blocked traffic and marched on the key square, angering local residents. police fired tear gas and bird shot into the crowds while protesters threw rocks. it came as william burns became the first u.s. official to go to egypt since morsi's ouster and addressed a news conference monday. >> only egyptians can determine their future. i did not come with american solutions nor did i come to lecture anyone. we know egyptians must forge their own have to democracy. we know this will not mirror our own and we will not try to impose our model on egypt. what the united states will do is stand behind certain asic principles, not any particular persons or personalities. issueddge in georgia has a last-minute stay

the guardian's glenn greenwald suggested that these n.s.a. whistleblower has an instruction manual on how the agency is built more on this story and his efforts to leave moscow in tonight's show. it's monday july fifteenth eight him in washington d.c. i'm meghan lopez and you are watching r t well we begin tonight with a look at the protests that are taking place across the country as a result of the george zimmerman trial now in case you have somehow managed to a void the media mayhem surrounding the trial let's get you caught up to speed late saturday night a jury of all women ruled that george zimmerman the man who shot and killed an unarmed seventeen year old named trayvon martin was not guilty and that her back to has civil rights groups calling this a case of institutionalized racism the tragic death of one teenager has now turned into a national discussion of the law known as stand your ground as well as race relations here in the u.s. for a look at how these protests played out let's take a trip across the country now will start off i

authorities for three weeks following his following his interview with the guardian's glenn greenwald in may of this year and they had the interview is the first part of the interview was published in may and the second part just came out in which edward snowden has explained his motivation for actually breaking his silence and leaking the information that he was prepared to. increasingly was exposed to true information that had not been propagandized in the media. that we were actually involved in misleading the public and misleading all the public's not just the american public in order to create a certain mindset in the global consciousness and i was actually a victim of that i grew up with the understanding that the world i lived in was one where people enjoyed a sort of freedom to communicate with each other and the privacy without it being monitored without being measured or analyzed or or or sort of judged by these three shadowy figures or systems i think a lot of people of my generation anybody who grew up with the internet that was their understanding. well of course now the

the journalist who published the bulk of his revelations, glenn greenwald, was due to testify by video to a separate hearing in the house, but the panel was canceled after president obama scheduled a meeting with house democrats. wyden said that the nsa had committed more violations on spying than the government had disclosed. the senator said that his concerns came on top of a recent admission from national intelligence director james clapper over violations of court orders. >> they did say there were violations of those court orders with respect to the phone records. that is on record. those violations are more serious than stated. >> he has been unable to explain his concerns in detail because surveillance operations are classified. on friday, james clapper sent a letter describing a number of problems -- clapper has previously apologize for falsely telling wyden in march the nsa does not would and we collect data on americans. agencies saidnce they would cause a fire more information about nsa surveillance operations, including the order disclosed by edward snowden that ordered ver

in an interview shortly after conducting an online chat with snowden, a journalist glenn greenwald said that pennzoil is a snowden's best bet. >> there is news that he has accepted qassam offer from venezuela. whether those news reports are accurate or not, i do not want to comment on. myself,ly, speaking for of the three options, that once seemed like the most plausible. figuring out how to get to the country that has offered him asylum without the road lawless empire and that has present -- proven itself to engage in rote behavior to prevent him from getting there, that is the challenge. >> glenn greenwald was speaking from brazil, where he is working on his latest book. he says surveillance has gone into the resources of foreign countries. brazil has set up a task force to investigate the allegations. the standoff between egypt posset interim government and the muslim brotherhood party continues to widen. egypt bought -- top prosecutor has ordered muhammed body and other officials on charges for inciting violence. the muslim brotherhood is accused of sparking the violence that ended