glenn greenwald made a silar point last august on democracy now! >> to me, any of us who grew up in politics or came of age as an american in the 1960's or 1970's ,r 1980's or even the 1990's knows that central to american political discourse has always been trying to tie your political opponents to russia, to demonizing the kremlin as the ultimate evil, and then trying to insinuate that your political adversaries are somehow secretly sympathetic to or even controlled by russian leaders and kremlin operatives and russian intelligence agencies. this was not just the mccarthyism, but even long after, this is typically a republican tactic used against democrats. if democrats advocated greater detente with the russians, arms deals come or other negotiations with russia to decrease tensions or decrease conflict, republicans would immediately accuse those liberals and democrats of advocating that of either being having the allegiance to the kremlin or being useful or stooges of russian leaders. juan: that was glenn greenwald speaking to democracy now! in

juan: that was glenn greenwald speaking to democracy now! in august. on tuesday, think progress ran a story headlined "the pro-kremlin talking points of jill stein: trump wasn't the only one promoting pro-kremlin talking points last year." in it, casey michael writes -- "stein's willingness to praise russian propaganda outlets and push kremlin talking points didn't end in moscow. indeed, she challenged - and arguably surpassed - trump in crafting the most moscow-friendly campaign of 2016." it also claims "you seemed more than willing to spout kremlin talking points at every turn - and all, it appears, for free." your response to this think progress statements? >> well, you know, this is the podesta organization speaking through think progress. basically they are the maps these for the podesta organization, which is very closely tied to the democratic already john podesta, hillary clinton's campaign manager, funded by saudi arabia and large, nefarious corporate interests. this is the kind of shameful journalistic standard that we , whatome to expect fro

to be just some random citizen not even remotely connected to he can't leaks as the intercepts glenn greenwald eloquently writes us media outlets are very good at demanding respect but journalists also have the responsibility not just to demand respect and credibility but to earn it this is not the first time that c.n.n. and others have gotten stories blatantly wrong about wiki leaks trump and russia gate and it certainly won't be the last for those of us who lived through the run up to the george w. bush iraq war and the whole weapons of mass destruction destruction fiasco we've seen these major media mistakes missed reportings and unreliable sources before. i ask how many more lives and corporate p.r. apologies will it take for it's time to turn off the least trusted name in news and start watching the hawks. letting you get the. real thing with. the bottom. like you know that i got. this. week so. welcome aboard the watch of the harks i am i robot and on top of this and this is not the end this is let's see them we're talking about c.n.n. just it scares me when i see that behind me i feel l

to be just some random citizen not even remotely connected to he can't leaks as the inner subs glenn greenwald eloquently writes us media outlets are very good at demanding respect but journalists also have the responsibility not just to demand respect and credibility but to earn it this is not the first time that c.n.n. and others have gotten stories blatantly wrong about wiki leaks trump and russia gate and it certainly won't be the last for those of us who lived through the run up to the george w. bush iraq war and the whole weapons of mass destruction destruction fiasco we've seen these major media mistakes missed reportings and unreliable sources before i ask how many more lives and corporate p.r. apologies will it take for its time to turn off the least trusted name in.

to be just some random citizen not even remotely connected to he can't leaks as the intercepts glenn greenwald eloquently writes us media outlets are very good at demanding respect but journalists also have the responsibility not just to demand respect and credibility but to earn it this is not the first time that c.n.n. and others have gotten stories blatantly wrong about wiki leaks trump and russia gate and it certainly won't be the last for those of us who lived through the run up to the george w. bush iraq war and the whole weapons of mass destruction destruction fiasco weaves.

both minorities and civil liberties to debate these questions i'm joined from rio de janeiro by glenn greenwald journalist all for and co-founder of the intercept and in new york by stanley fish a us legal scholar and public intellectual and author of the book there's no such thing as free speech and it's a good thing to. thank you both for joining me on upfront glenn let me start with you most people would agree that free speech is integral to democracy and should be defended as much as possible but does not really mean that we also have to protect the rights of racists islamophobia anti semites homophobes missile genesis to spread some pretty poisonous and hate filled ideas is a lot of misunderstanding and distortion even of what free speech is supposed to be about no quite the opposite first of all the minute that you start empowering state institutions or government officials to punish people or do imprison people or to bar them from expressing certain ideas because the majority or the government does like those ideas you no longer have free speech in any meaningful sense all you have is a

glenn greenwald wrote a great piece for the interceptor as well as state and same thing because you justlisten to the mountain aggregate. the brian ross abc report that had to be corrected that earned him a four-week suspense end. it was only five days ago, when president trump's bank record supposed to be subpoenaed? that's what it reuters and bloomberg reported, that turned out to be false and obviously that cnn early look at wikileaks email report turned out to be false. so what we have to start asking ourselves here because it wasn't just cnn, cbs and nbc also confirm that report. how did three news organizations get duped on the same exact wrong information, wrong date, september 4th in terms of when those emails were sent to donald trump jr. how did that happen and should that source or sources now be exposed because it's probably going to before, going to do it again because they purposely misled those news organizations those people or persons need to be exposed now. >> jon: for those who are paying close attention, this was all about the fact that donald trump jr. according to c

glenn greenwald from the intercept sums it up perfectly with this headline. "the u.s. suffered its most humiliating debacle in ages, now refuses all transparency over what happened. the media's hatred for the president is so profound and so extreme that nothing else matters to them. they don't care about the truth. think about that. they don't care or being fair or being balanced, not bias. by the way, we've been saying that the press is fixated on taking this president down. i believe that to be true. that's their shared mission. it's precisely why president trump is calling this a concerted effort and a stain on america. and in that sense the president's right. members of the mainstream media are just an extension of the dnc and they are fraudulent. they are rigid, their radical left-wing ideologues. call themselves journalists, they are not journalists. they think they are keepers of the truth. the press got caught colluded with hillary clinton and her campaign and they've been doing everything possible to inflict maximum damage on the president you elected regardle

with us to give us more insight is greenwald himself joining us from brazil. glenn, it's great to see you. recap for my audience what you wrote about over the weekend about why particularly this cnn issue is so disturbing given the enormity of the story regarding president trump and the russians. >> right. so you described exactly how the story fell apart. it is certainly the case that anyone in journalism, whether people at fox or anywhere else will get stories wrong sometimes. this is not just a block buster story that fell apart but what is most disturbing is two things. one a long line now of stories about trump and russia that major media outlets have trumpeted in a flannel boy -- flamboyant way only to prove that trump did collude with russia and that russia is taking over the united states. it's not one mistakes it's a huge series of them always to the same outcome and same agenda. the second disturbing thing is the question of how it is that not just cnn but ultimately cbs and msnbc that said they confirmed the story got i wrong. they all claimed that multip