glenn greenwald, welcome. >> good to be with you, howie.t exactly a shock, but as soon as elon musk said the words out loud, there was this thunderous condemnation from the media, musk is evil, how could he possibly allow this threat to democratic crack back -- democracy back on the platform. >> if you think about what he said, the it's on one thing, i want to bring a modicum of free speech back to one platform on the internet, and i think what this freakout reveals is that this regime of censorship that a has been imposed on essentially every major platform on the internet has become extremely important to numerous power centers, the u.s. security state, the democratic party, the u.s. government, all kinds of corporate centers in the united states that any possibility that that weapon might be eroded or weakened asmusing is vowing to do sends them into a frenzy because of how important it has become to them. howard: and so much of that expressed through the media. there was also this pair of tweets from elon musk. even though i think a les

glenn greenwald, the piewltser prize winning investigative journalist who writes for substack joins me now. how do you think the media is grappling with the rough shape of the country and joe biden's deterioration? >> you know, i think you have to go back to 2016, i know it seems like several life times ago to understand the context where democrats lost an election they never expected to lose. they basically lost to a reality tv show host when hillary clinton had all the establishment in the world. instead of asking what is it about our ideology 8 years drove people away from us into donald trump's arms. they instead decided they were going to blame everybody else, russia, and wikileaks and jill stein everybody they could find but themselves. they catastrophed everything saying trump and the republicans mean that beauty is now in control of the white house and, you know, when trump ran for re-election he had everything against him. covid and the economy. he almost won but he didn't. and the democrats simply replaced trump with the same ideology that they governed with for 8 years under

glenn greenwald has watched all of this . he's an independent journalist. his work is. n substance amongi other placesns, joins us tonigh. glenn, thanks so much for coming on . so every mass shooting, of course, is a tragedy. every murder is a tragedy. every death is a tragedy. but how chilling was it to watch the immediate mobilization of a political party using a the pretext of a killing to make bobbly political points? i don't think i've ever seenev anything like it . yeah, i mean, you know, i think one of the things that healthyr society does is unite whenever there's a horrific act that violates the values of all decent people. we saw that in the wake of 9/11, for example, for a few days or a couple of weeks.ks but unfortunately another path can be taken and often is by political leaders. e youwa might remember in 1995 whn there was that hideous attackrt on the federal courthouse in oklahoma city, the clinton administration immediately seizedhola on that to say we ned a back door access to be ableo to control the internet where this information is spreading after 9/

our conference is going to glenn greenwald is available tomorrow morning on fox nation totallyng oth. it starts at 7:00 a.m. so we don't finish our breaking news from other channels, but we're going to make an exception tonight and msnbc's meet the press t just airedbo this bombshell report about blake masters who is running for senateng from arizona. watch this . this is sort of breaking toia us right now, chuck, while you're in pennsylvania, we're here in west virginia. there's t a new video that we just obtained actually out of arizona. i want to let you listen here. this is the first time we are airing this . anybody is hearing this . this wasas blake masters back ia february when he was asked a question about the future of the equal rights amendment. take a listen. women are not paid less in america than men and such as the left wing. there is a gender pay gap when you control for the occupations you control for people taking time out, you know, children, things are actually pretty good men as you the most dangerous jobs. this is what we're talkingbl about. what we're talking abo

joining me, glenn greenwald. i have been reading your work for a long time. you have been a straight short on this the entire time. the government is a process for truth. it's called a court system. the government -- wants to prove something, they have to go to court. the fact that they are pushing forward with this is just frightening. >> absolutely. the idea that the u.s. security state which is created in part to not combat this information but to disseminate this information is going to be the authoritative source to decree what is truth and what is false should be extremely alarming. the reason they want to do that is as we saw with the hunter biden hoax before the election, if you get official decrees like these dozen of intelligence officials who sanctified the lie that hunter biden laptop was disinformation. now they want to seize the power to declare what is disinformation not just to have some kind of assertion, but to impose it in law to integrate it into censorship and laws against hate speech and disinformation. that's why it's so chilling to wat

glenn greenwald, thank you for your description. thanks, tucker . tonight we want to go back to ali radley's. she's conducted a new interview from a witness to this crime in uvalda, texas. she joins us now. ali, thanks for coming back on. what have you learned? well, tucker , we learned that this was starting this little third grade boy telling me that he saw this gunman actually fire shots and he said, i know that this guy is serious about hurting people at this point. he said he didn't know what to do. they basically all ran back into the classroom and kind of took cover. take listen to you heard the gunshots. yes. what were you thinking? i was thinking like, oh , shoot. he was he, he got like hitting me. he was not afraid to shoot someone. are you scared? no, you don't. do you have to go back to school now? i think you're out of school, right? no one knows schools. i'm traumatized now. so how close to the shooting were you how how how far would you say it happened from you? i think it was a couple of feet . you know, tucker , this little boy, he'

glenn greenwald, thank you so much. >> thanks, tucker. >> as the usual activist to the murders in buffaloweekend to attack the political opponents, including this channel, on twitter, pointing out that it's disgusting and insane to exploit this tragedy, suspended him for pointing that out. someone who said actually, we shouldn't jump to quick and dirty partisan conclusions from a mass murderer was banned from saying that by twitter. so this tells you a lot -- let that sink in for the moment. we will bring on dylan, the ceo of the center for american liberty. we are happy to have him join his. thank you so much for coming on. it seems to me at base, not even a political point, but a humane point. hold on a second, we don't know everything. let's just bow before the sadness of this moment and not jump to politically convenient conclusions from it trashing other people's rights-of-way on the basis of it. that is no hate speech? tell me how this works? >> this is exactly how twitter has been working as well as the other social media companies for the last few years. we now limit the governmen

glenn greenwald is one of the most smartest and articulate is on the very few people covering americann live in america anymore he loves donna brazile. we had a long conversation with him about the benefits of seeing the country from the outside. a country that you love from a different vantage. here is an excerpt from tucker carlson today. ♪ ♪ >> it's much easier to see the united states in a different way to be not a better way but a different way through distance. i was think about it if you're in the middle of a city and on a street corner you see a perspective that's realistic what you see israel, but there's so much they don't see. then you get on a airplane use flight 3,000 feet and you see so much more. each side offers you something by that distance gives you perspective so does living in another country and seeing how the rest the world perceives the united states, but i think the biggest impact is that if you're not immersed and depended upon a particular cultural niche like the political media world of new york and washington. you feel a lot more independent from it and you

whether it was -- glenn greenwald. but then they get attacked. now it is musk.on you see is the same. they fear speech because it competes with theirs. by the way, he and at that thing saying, we are just looking at speech as a connectivity to violence. well, let's not forget, cnn was the one that was defending antifa, remember? show me in the constitution where it says you can't become a whatever, whatever he said. but during the riots, there were plenty people in the media that were defending that and saying it is a form of justice. i would be interested to see if they actually will connect it to violence. >> you know, one of the things that "the wall street journal" talked about, they said, referee political debate is not the governments job. >> again, they do a terrible job of explaining, so it is a board, but who is on the board? who created the board? and who's going to pay her for the board? so do you have the actual authority to create the sport? when you say they are not going to be targeted, how do you know that the fake information you are trying to d

glenn greenwald, thank you for your description of that. tonight we want to go back to ally bradley who has set up a new interview from a witness in texas who joins us now. thank you for coming back on, what have you learned? >> well, tucker, we learned that this was during recess, this little third-grade boy telling me that he saw this con man actually fire a shot and said i know that this guy was serious about hurting people at this point. it did not know what to do that they basically all ran back into the classroom and kind of took cover, take a listen. >> so you heard the gunshot? >> yes. >> what were you thinking? >> i was thinking like oh, he ain't going alike, he is not kidding, he is definitely not afraid to shoot someone. >> were you scared that you have to go back to school now? i think you are out of school. >> i am traumatized now. >> so how close to the shooting were you? how far would you say it happen from you? >> i would say like a couple feet. >> you know, tucker, this little boy just telling me that he did not think that

the bobo from cnn who had a public fit if you will, before we go, i just want to point out what glenn greenwaldut that cnn plus collapsed of after 22 days after hundreds of millions of dollars were spent. he said, quote, wouldn't you be in a panic knowing the public doesn't trust you or care what you say thus needing to censor. i loved it. brandon, christian. stay right there. the next hour of "mornings with maria" starts right now. ♪ dagen: good morning, i'm dagen mcdowell, in maria bartiromo. it's monday of day, may 2nd. your top stories, 7:00 a.m. eastern. today, moving on from the worst month since the start of the pandemic, looking at markets this morning, futures are up across the board. this ahead of a major week for earnings. investors expecting quarterly results from starbucks, lyft, uber, cvs, pfizer and moderna. and the big news of the week will be the federal reserve's may policy meeting, concluding on wednesday. widespread expectations of 50 basis point rate increase, along with whatever they decide to do with the balance sheet. take a look at the yield on the 10 year treasury at 2