glenn greenwald has seen stories like this very, very up close and personal. rumble. he's the host of system update on rumball. he broke, of course, the most mfamous leaking story in american history, the story of ed snowden. he joins he j us tonight. glenn , thanks so much for coming on , i should say. and be quiet and let you speak, since you know this better than anyone. >> but we leftne out a lot of details that are being reported in "the washington post", the new york times, et cetera. pothe leakabout the leaker and . all came from. because honestly, i don't stly, i believe anything. . and it's very hard to knowed what's true. we're all being spun. we're all being lied to , wid we just didn't want to repeat the lies. so with that, what do yo whau me of this? >> i can't think of an incident, tucker, that reveals more vividly the real function of our nation's larges nation'tj corporations than what just happened here. >> if you're a real journalist,, somebody who's devotedme to transparency, bringing trg light on the most powerful government actors when they lie to

more on this ahead with veteran national security reporter glenn greenwald. howard kurtz and this is "mediabuzz." ♪ ♪ howard: ron desan us the just signed a 6-week ban on abortion in florida tweeting out a single picture after 11:00 at night. the governor's quiet move came as a ruling by a federal judge in texas again put the difficult issue under a sering media spotlight. judge matthew kazmarak, a trump appointee, froze the approval of the abortion pill despite the fact the fda okayed it as safe 23 years ago. the supreme court granted the biden administration is stay of a few days. but what's striking is that democratic congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez later joined by republican congresswomanman i city mace -- nancy mace had said the biden team should just blow off the lower court ruling. >> that's a pretty stunning position, if you think about it, about the notion of just ignoring a judge ooh's position. >> i believe that the biden administration should ignore this ruling. >> i agree with ignoring it. at this point this is an issue that republicans ha

glenn greenwald to help edward snowden with his leaks, he condemned to the new york times for actually a leading f b i to this leakers door w. i mean s, as in washington. thank you so much for that. moving on germany has approved a polish request to deliver old make fighter jets to ukraine. fallen bought the former east german aircraft in 2002, but needed permission from berlin to send them to a 3rd country or when he is not planning to send any of its own fighter jets to ukraine. and dw political correspondence, i'm young has more on when germany's decision signal it's about sending a clear message of solidarity to key and showing support for their efforts to defend themselves against the russian invasion. this decision by the berlin government was apparently made on the same day, or at least very soon after poland put in the request to send these megs to ukraine . and the german defense minister has said that that shows you could rely on germany at as part of the alliance of countries supporting ukraine. so just to recap, the reason why a decision from berlin was needed. these are ma

glenn greenwald is an award-winning journalist and host of "system update" on rum belle.e. >> what is so striking is whether a you were say something anybody who ever picks up the "new york times," "the washington post" or has the misfortune of it nbc news or cnn report classified information that has been leaked. they go on all the time and say anonymous sources tell us x, y, and z. yet, none of this kind of uproar ever happens because those are authorized leaks. these are things the cia or the fbi or the pentagon want the american people to hear. it's a form of propaganda. what's different here is that this was unauthorize leak. it reveals that the biden administration has been lying about the extent of their role in ukraine and a whole variety of others things about this extremely important war. whatever your views on what war are. we should want to know about this, they don't want us to know about it. now it's suddenly we have to clamp down harder and keep things more secret and spy on you and take away your rights. amazing thing is, jesse, as you just showed the peop

glenn greenwald has seen stories like this very, very up close and personal. he's the host of system update on rumble. he broke the most famous leaking story in american history, the story of ed snowden. he joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. i should say to let you speak since you know this better than anyone. we left out a lot of details being reported in the washington post and the new york times about the leaker and where this all came from. honestly, i don't believe anything. it's hard to know what is true. we are all being spun and lied to and we didn't want to repeat the lies. with that, what do you make of this? >> i cannot think of an incident that reveals more vividly the real function of our nation's largest media corporations than what just happened here. if you are a real journalist, somebody devoted to transparency, shining a light on the most powerful government actors when they lie to the american people and informing the public, you would be celebrating this person who stepped forward and wrist his security to show his fellow citizens that

. >> you are a .gree glenn greenwald is the hosnwt of system update. >> he joins us tonight. glenn , thanks so much for coming on . coming on . that they went after a groupa f people you probably don't agree with on a lot of things because it just makes it so much clearer. this is not partisan.s saying this guy is saying something the regime doesn't like. jai >> they're trying to put him inp jail. how is this happening in america? america? i think one of the critical things to remember is even before january 6th by the administration said their priority is to launch a domestic war on terror, w agdomestic war on terror, w against al qaeda and isist and foreign terrorist groups and directed inwargroups, d bece they perceived that anti-establishment dissidents in america like the personshmeni just showed, are the real enemy . and that's what this is about. there's a foreiga foreign agent that is supposed to be if you say things you don't really believe because some foreignou government is paying youyou havernment is paying youyou millions of dollars to say them, you have to regis

glenn greenwald, host of system update joins us tonight. glenn, thanks for coming on. i am glad they went after a group of people i probably don't agree with on a lot of things, it makes it so much clearer. this is not partisan. this guy is saying something the regime doesn't like, they're trying to put him in jail. how is this happening in america? >> i think one of the critical things to remember, even before january 6, biden administration said their priority is to launch domestic war on terror to take the tactics we used against al qaeda and isis and foreign terrorist groups, direct it inward. they perceive anti-establishment dissidents like the person you just showed are the real enemy. that's what this is about. there's a foreign agents law that's supposed to be if you say things you don't really believe because some foreign government is paying you millions to say them, you have to register. that's not the case with these people. these are people that are radical black leftists for decades, they hate the biden administration, they're against the war in ukraine,

this is why people like glenn greenwald and matt thank you eb have worked hard to expose them. and now you see them occasionally on fox to discuss issues in depth that matter to people. that's why tulsi gabbard the party and why so many hispanic voters and now asian voters are moving towards the republicans. so progressives are being played for suckers. they should cut deals with the populace republicans. i think we could've built on the success of the us mc 8 that trade deal that replace nafta with other trade deals. certainly not the transpacific partnership. we could've worked to eliminate the patriot act. we could've reigned in the war spending and push for new roles on industrial policy that would have really encouraged jobs and manufacturing in the united states. but look, the squad, they hate us more than they like their own working-class, don't they? our model leads to more prosperity, higher wages and more jobs. their model, leads to less of everything. except maybe pot, porn, abortions and young, wars. all you need to know about the democrats versus the republicans to

well, glenn greenwald, he's journalist who wrote that, he was on jessie's show last night and talkedent treats different types of leaks differently. >> you ever pick up "the new york times," "the washington post" or hear cmn knows that corporate journalists every single day report classified information that has been leaked. they go on tv the all the time and they say anonymous sources told us x, y and dis, is and yet none of this kind of uproar ever happens because those are authorized leaks. these are ting -- things the cia or the fbi or the pentagon want the american people to hear. it's propaganda. what's different here is this was an unauthorized leak. it reveals that the biden administration if has been lightening about the extent of their role -- lying about the the extent of hair war in ukraine. we should want to know about in this, but they don't want us to know about it. rachel: yeah. i'm kind of sick of all the secrets. i'm ready for everything to be -- [laughter] just tell me what happened with jfk, tell us the truth about the war, don't send our troops in without telling

and glenn greenwald is out with this, we've spoken with two major law firms who said they sent retainer letters to represent us suing the nashville p.d. to obtain the manifesto to back out at the last second. political pressures are intense. this goes to basic transparency. american public can decide if they want to read it or not. but answers in order to prevent the next shooting should be key here. >> i have to tell you, i'm a reporter, so i really care deeply about clarity, about having the answers, about getting the documents. it's critical. if you want people to move on, you have to tell them what happened. you have to show them. this is critically important. look, i understand that people out there worry that if the public gets this manifesto, something bad is going to happen. i think something bad is going to happen if they don't get the manifesto. it's absolutely essential that people understand what happened. how are these families ever so supposed to move on if that doesn't happen? >> exactly. and, you know, when we talk about the frustration of the american public, it's reall

this is why people like glenn greenwald and matt taibbi have worked hard to expose then m and now you see them occasionally on fox to discuss and now yorepth that matte to people. that's why tulsi gabbard left the party and why so many hispanic voters and now asian voters are moving toward the republicans. so progressives, they're being played for suckersves are being they should cut deals with the c populist republicans. i thin k we could have built on the success of the u.s. that trade deal that replaced naftahc with other trade deals, tradchip. not the trans-pacifi partnership. we could have workedwe cou to eliminate the patriot act. we could have reined in the war spending and pushed for new rules on industrial policy that would have really encouraged jobs and manufacturing in the united states . but look, the squawe couldd in e us more than they like their own working class, don't the squa they ? >>d, they hate our model leads to more t prosperity, higher wages jobs. and more jobs. their model leads to lesr mos o, everything except maybe pop , abortions and wars. >> so all you ne

glenn greenwald has long reported on the political repoes of the legal system. >> he is the host of system of political system. he joins update on rumball and our friend. >> he joins us tonight. glenn , you would think somebody would say, look,t i don't like trump, bulit thisus is doing grave damagee to institutions. we're going to need two years from now and for the nextgoing hundretom nod years. b >> but not one person that weai can find hasd said that i hear you in your prior segment saying where people like karl rove and george bushset , the people who rise, i think people like victoria nuland demonstrate the theater behindpe this whole republican versus democratic war. this is the key to the whole thing, which is that they arethn determined not to criminalize conservatism or the republican party. they're playing with people like jeb bush or john mccain or mitt romney or nikki haley or lindsey graham. oor whoever. they're determined to criminalize donald trump and his movementthey'r because the only time victoria nuland wasn't in government, she was work gov for clinton. then she worke