. >> ifill: glenn hurowitz, you're never going agree but let me ask it this way. how much of this, whether you believe there should be government action or not, should have the public clamoring to change? how much can they stomach? especially at a time of economic stress? >> well, i think the public needs it and... >> ifill: we also need broccoli but we don't all like it. >> that's true. but i think what vice president gore was saying in the article was that it's hard for just the environmental community to stand up against entire republican party, against the fossil fuel lobby with all their money. there needs to be leadership the white house. historically that's how we've made environmental progress to pass the clean air act, to pass the clean water act, to protect public lands and national parks and without that kind of leadership we won't get the agenda we need. and in terms of just day to day putting bread on the table, like i said, revitalizing the economy means investing in clean energy. it means investing in ecological restoration. and in order to do that,