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jeff mason correspondent for reuters, and former prosecutor glenn kirschner, he has had murder trials, organized crime, and [inaudible] cases. glenn enough, i want to apologize in advance, not a lot of time for either of, you because this is carols nights. tell us more about your reporting. why on earth, with the inspector general, the, watchdog scrapped the plans to recover the texts? why? >> you know, stephanie, that is the 64, 000, 64 million dollar question. in fact, investigator that i spoke with yesterday, and this, morning said to me when i asked, what is the significance in your mind about these records, these devices being offered by certain federal agency officials and inspector general, the government watchdog, saying, no, never mind, we are not gonna take those? the investigators said, what investigated doesn't take evidence that is brought into them and offered? and that's one of the dhs agencies did in february. when they were asked by the inspector general, do you have these texts, the federal protective service, a different agency than the secret service, said, hey, we

joining us now is glenn kirschner, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. entire trial. glenn, maybe the least surprising verdict of anything you and i have ever covered here. >> yeah. as you say, lawrence, bannon presented no defense. he promised that he was going to go medieval during the trial. i kept my eye out for anything that looked medieval and i think we were all elected down. they really went out with a whimper. now of course they gave yet another speech on the courthouse steps after steve bannon was convicted in other three hours of jury deliberations, promising to go evil in the appellate court. well, let me tell you, lawrence, that appellate proceedings are quite ill ian's compared to trial court proceedings. i don't see anything medieval. but the department justice has come under withering criticism lately and i do think we need to acknowledge the remarkable work of the two prosecutors in the case, molly gaskins and amanda von. they try to support case and they really let them and his team with nowhere to go. i think that's why they tried the c

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also, glenn kirschner with us, former federal prosecutor and an msnbc legal analyst. ali vitali, we've got confirmation, the former president was, in fact in the dining room. and he was, in fact watching tv. i feel like i'm playing a game of "clue" right about right now, but that's what a lot of americans were doing on january 6th, as the events played out on that now crucial day that we look back upon. what else can we expect to hear tonight? >> yeah, you can add a treat to your list of things that you're learning in these th "clue" game that we're getting from the january 6th committee this morning, because what congressman kinzinger has said as well, that not only was trump in the dining room, watching television, but he was doing so gleefully, to the point that the other lawmaker who is going to be leading this hearing, she called what the former president did on that day a dereliction of duty. listen to more of what her central question is, and it's really at the heart of what they're going to present tonight. listen. >> if you were president, wouldn't you just j

capitol hill correspondent ali vitali is joining us, michael schmidt, msnbc contributor, and glenn kirschner, msnbc legal analyst. glenn, let me start with you on this one. talk to me first about the significance of mark short appearing before a federal grand jury. >> it's hugely consequential. this is as high up as i think the department of justice has gone when it comes to subpoenaing and presenting the the federal grand jury that has the power to indict impeachment for their crimes unlike the january 6th committee. it's as high up as they've found in the political food chain. it seems based on the reporting that the only way we stumbled upon this is some investigative reporter may have caught him coming out of the federal courthouse in downtown d.c. then it was learned he appeared before the grand jury. that i think begs the question how many other potentially high government officials have been presented to the grand jury? we know doj does its business quietly and behind closed doors without telling us about it and hoping it doesn't leak out. this it looks like may have leaked out. it's

i want to bring back my panel msnbc legal analyst glenn kirschner, and -- glenn let's get into this,former president will be held accountable, two charges they could feasibly be weight here from my understanding, obstruction of proceedings, and conspiracy to defraud the united states. talk to me about the considerations that go into deciding whether you move forward and criminal charge a former president, and if in fact the case is airtight as a federal rule prosecutor? >> no cases ever airtight. sometimes federal prosecutors pause, in my opinion, a little too long. before they decide to bring charges. there is a fear of failure. there's a fear of embarrassment. there's a concern that if federal prosecutors bring a case, they wanted to be airtight, they wanted to be bulletproof. no cases bulletproof. but i maintain no case is more important than one against a former president who committed any number of offenses. we can talk about the two you just mentioned. i think there are more. supported by the evidence, and by the revelations in recent weeks from the j select committee. nothing

cynthia, glenn kirschner, greatly appreciated. sorry cynthia, last word. >> it is not just the secret service text, but it is the other leaders's texts. they knew january six was an important event, and they chose to migrate. i think it is very suspicious. i think if you had to pick the continuum from incompetence to felony, we are sort of leaning felony. >> yeah. it is great to have both of you with us, thank you for starting us off. glenn, cynthia, greatly appreciate your insights as always. still ahead, holding a gun manufacturers to account. i'm going to speak with the house oversight chairwoman about her grilling of gun company ceos next. company ceos next. fishing helps ease my mind. kinda like having liberty mutual. they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. woah! look out! [sfx: submarine rising out of water ] [ sfx: minion spits bobber ] minions are bitin' today. [ sfx: submarine hatch closes, submarine dives ] ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ hello! minions: the rise of gru, only in thea

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cynthia, glenn kirschner, greatly appreciated. sorry cynthia, last word. >> it is not just the secret service text, but it is the other leaders's texts. they knew january six was an important event, and they chose to migrate. i think it is very suspicious. i think if you had to pick the continuum from incompetence to felony, we are sort of leaning felony. >> yeah. it is great to have both of you with us, thank you for starting us off. glenn, cynthia, greatly appreciate your insights as always. still ahead, holding a gun manufacturers to account. i'm going to speak with the house oversight chairwoman about her grilling of gun company ceos next. ♪ ♪ this is the moment. for a treatment for moderate-to-severe eczema. cibinqo — fda approved. 100% steroid free. not an injection, cibinqo is a once-daily pill for adults who didn't respond to previous treatments. and cibinqo helps provide clearer skin and less itch. cibinqo can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. before and during treatment, your doctor should check for i

joining us now is glenn kirschner. he's a former federal prosecutor, and an msnbc legal analyst. glenn, i'm struck in the secret services lengthier response tonight. when they say that in january 2021, before the inspector general opened his investigation, they decided to replace all these phones. they made that decision, after january 6th, after january 6th, the techy's at the secret service decided, you know what? it's time to upgrade. who cares? that some of these phones might have some of the most important evidence that secret service phones have ever had on them. this is something we have to be learning a lot more about. what is your reaction to what we are, what we've got so far, from the inspector general, and the secret service? >> well, my reaction, as a former career federal law enforcement employee is, it makes me heartsick that, you know, the secret service wouldn't realize the importance, the historic importance of preserving these kinds of text messages. i will say, lawrence, when i first read the reporting before your update, you know, i was asking myself, will the

let's discuss all of this, and more, with two former federal prosecutors, glenn kirschner, and tyrrellall nbc analysts, glenn i will start with you. how unusual is it that the secret service is served with the subpoena? >> it may be somewhat unusual that they are served with the subpoena, but it is not unusual that there is information they have that might be relevant to something congress is doing, or something the department of justice is doing. there has been, i will call it, a spotty history of robust compliance from the secret service here. let's share a quick story, ayman, and i think it qualifies as irony. when i was a federal prosecutor, in washington, you see that the u.s. attorney's office we often came in possession of cell phones as evidence in our criminal cases. it was not at all unusual, for information to have been deleted, by the owner of the cell phone before receives it is evidence. do you know we did with those cell phones? we didn't go down to quantico, and used a lab there, although they do have great forensic services, we went to the united states secret service

. >> glenn kirschner and kyle cheney, thank you so much for starting us off. coming up, former president trump says about january 6th. in the newly released documentary, we will show you the video and get into how significant it could be for the select committees investigation. but first, my colleague, richard louis, with today's other top news stories. hey richard. >> hey michael. good sunday to you. some stories from washington. maybe time to fill up your tank, aaa is saying gas dropped 30 cents a gallon to $4.68 points per gallon on average. that still up from $3.14 a year ago. secretary of state, tony blanket, travels to tokyo today to offer condolences on the loss of former prime minister, shinzo abe. abe was assassinated at a political event friday. the wake is scheduled for tomorrow, and funeral on tuesday. this is parliamentary elections took place in japan today. results expected tomorrow. firefighters are battling a worsening blaze in yosemite national park. it drifts will largest grove of giant sequoias. the washburn fire more than doubled in size i

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glenn kirschner, and nbc news washington correspondent michelle sender.ng to join me to talk about just how dangerous these candidates are to our democracy. we will get the latest of president biden's condition after his covid diagnosis, from the great anthony fauci. also, in just a few weeks voters in kansas will be the first to decide if they want to and abortion rights for candidates currently in that state. constitutional kangaroo congresswoman cherice davis will join in for that discussion. and of, course if it is sunday, it is and gloria. and gloria's coming back to the sunday show. we are going to talk to her about everything from january six to post roe america, to everything. 10 am eastern, on the sunday show, sam. >> jonathan, i apologize for the admission of the most important biographical detail that you have, that you are a former new york -- good luck on the show today and we will see you sunday. still, ahead get out your -- because it is almost time for this week's meeting of the velshi banned book club. i have two special guests, to, for t

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security reporter develin barrett who co-wrote the post's exclusive on the doj investigation, glenn kirschner a former federal prosecutor and tim miller write at large at bulwark and a msnbc political analyst. develin, what does your reporting show us about where the doj's investigation is now, but also where it might be headed next? >> so i think one of the really interesting things about what this investigation is doing right now is prosecutors and investigators are working to understand exactly what trump told his lawyers and his other advocates who are working on, as you describe, the false elector scheme. now, that's sort of a baseline question, right, but it's really important to understand if you are looking at those -- those efforts, you have to understand what were those people's marching orders? what were they told to do? and that's a really important question obviously and that's why trump's actions have come into the investigation. >> so any sense of how far down the road they actually are at this point? are they close to bringing charges at a high level? and could there be more t

the jury selection was reportedly slow going, former prosecutor glenn kirschner was in the room.uror said, given the things that bannon has said, and the people is affiliated with, i tend to not agree with anything he said. -- that juror was struck. they finally agreed on 22 final jurors, which tomorrow they'll narrow down to 14. bannon could have chosen a bench trial, which would've made a judge instead of a jury. but he chose a jury of his peers. prior to that, bannon tried to delay the trial twice. twice, it was shut down by the judge who would sit before him in a bench trial. if bannon bought his own ludicrous hype enough to be in denial of this is where things were headed if you deny the subpoena. to discuss this strategy, i want to bring in michelle goldberg and charles blow, both of them are columnist for the new york times. charles, there is something surreal about this whole episode. banning can comply and go in and plead the fifth to every question, like michael flynn, who is asked if he believed in a lawful transition of power, and said i believe to plead the fifth. pa

. >> i wish you were in charge of these investigations, glenn kirschner and tim o'brien, thanks so muchght. >> thanks, jason. >> coming up, republican governors continue to force extremist anti abortion laws. some prosecutors in those states refused to enforce those laws. that's next, on the last word. n the last word. now, there's skyrizi. ♪ things are getting clearer ♪ ♪ yeah, i feel free ♪ ♪ to bare my skin ♪ ♪ yeah, that's all me ♪ ♪ nothing and me go hand in hand ♪ ♪ nothing on my skin, that's my new plan ♪ ♪ nothing is everything ♪ keep your skin clearer with skyrizi. most who achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months had lasting clearance through 1 year. in another study, most people had 90% clearer skin at 3 years. and skyrizi is 4 doses a year, after 2 starter doses. ♪ it's my moment ♪ ♪ so i just gotta say ♪ ♪ nothing is everything ♪ skyrizi may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. before treatment, your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms such as fevers, sweats, chills, mu

alksne, a former federal prosecutor in the civil rights division of the justice department and glenn kirschner, also a former prosecutor. luckily for us, they are both msnbc legal analysts. it's good to have both of you with us. you have been helping us near the ship through all the hearings. cynthia, i'd like to start with you. your top line reaction to cassidy hutchinson's testimony and what it means for the committee as it goes forward. >> let me say this about her testimony, besides being a bombshell for all the reasons that we will disc length, it also highlighted why the department of justice needs to get involved. there is all this evidence about conspiracy, and i know we will talk about that. let me highlight one point for you. evidence can be developed, and the attorney general can pontificate and ponder about what the eastman memo means according to doj policy and how that interacts with the constitution, blah blah. that could take time. witness tampering cannot take time. witness tampering is a yesterday crime. witness tampering, we have heard this from cassidy hutchinson, this happ

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and joining me now is glenn kirschner and charlie sykes.ant to start with pat cipollone because this is the man who starkly defended trump on the basis, irony being dead, please don't overturn the votes of 72 million americans by throwing trump out of office by impeaching him. he's going to testify. so that's a good thing. how ironic is it, charlie, for you, that their doing that and at the same time, republicans are trying to use that exact same logic to overturn the next election? >> i think the key point is that this attack on democracy is not a historical fact, it is ongoing. and i think what you're seeing, the way the republican party has internalized the notion of the big lie and therefore you're seeing this movement to make it harder to vote over and over and over again. so, you know, i mean, the pat cipollone testimony is really a big deal. it would have been better had he spoken out earlier. it would have been better if all of these white house aides had come out during the second impeachment. but my guess is there's not a lot of j

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former attorney for the district of columbia, now a legal analyst, glenn kirschner. he was in the courtroom for day one of steve bannon's trial and will be there throughout the proceedings. glenn, tell me what you saw. >> joe, a couple of overarching observations about yesterday's jury selection. one, there were lots and lots of jurors who knew steve bannon. they knew him and had strong opinions about steve bannon, and they were comfortable expressing them. i will say, i sat in there almost the entire day. i may have missed one or two jurors. everybody who expressed an opinion about steve bannon had a negative opinion. many of them said some variation of the same thing. look, i don't have any specialized legal knowledge, but even i know, if i get a subpoena from congress, i need to comply or i'm wrong. i'm in trouble. several jurors actually came right out and said, i think steve bannon is guilty. not surprisingly, those jurors, particularly the ones who said, "i have such strong feelings that i don't think i can set them aside and be a fair and impartial juror" those

. >> glenn kirschner, luke broadwater, and bluestein in chicago, thank you all so much for coming togo -- the program. tune into msnbc's coverage of the next january 6th hearing, kicking off with morning job 6 am eastern, followed by the full hearing at 10 am eastern, with an analysis to follow. then, stay with us for two hour recap special starting at 8 pm eastern. but first, coming up, there were more than one dozen mass shootings over this year's fourth of july weekend, leaving millions of terrified americans wondering, how many more mass shootings must we endure before we get meaningful gun control? stay with us. n control? stay with us every search you make, every click you take, every move you make, every step you take, i'll be watching you. the internet doesn't have to be duckduckgo is a free all in one privacy app with a built in search engine, web browser, one click data clearing and more stop companies like google from watching you, by downloading the app today. duckduckgo: privacy, simplified. while the nation was reckoning with yet another mass shooting, this time in a fo