peter baker, reporter for the new york times, daniella diaz, of politico, and a former prosecutor glenn kirschner. glenn, you are the prosecutor here. i'm going to start with you. what do you make of that abc reporting, about trump knowingly misleading his attorneys, about classified documents. >> you know, symone, if that report is accurate, then a charge against donald trump for obstructing justice, or making a false official statement, what we call a 1001 statement, those charges will be legal layups, because if the prosecution can use down trump's own lawyer -- i know prosecutors are already using down trump's own lawyer, michael cohen, against him in new york -- i think this presents a very different kind of legal case. if they were to use evan corcoran as a witness against his former client, donald trump, and there was compelling evidence that after trump had been subpoenaed to turn over all of the classified documents, instead of complying with that subpoena, he told his lawyer to lie for him and represent to the federal government, you've got it all. i have nothing left. of course, we kno

legal analyst glenn kirschner joins us as well. garrett, what have you seen or heard today, if anything, of the comings and goings? what's the very latest? >> reporter: chris, we're all operating on the same scraps of information. no signs of costello or cohen yet. that shouldn't be a surprise. the grand jury typically meets in the afternoon. we would expect to potentially see them sometime here in the next hour or two. what we have seen is an enhanced police presence downtown as law enforcement has been getting ready, following the same information we are, for the possibility that an indictment could be handed up this week and we could be in vastly uncharted territory with criminal charges against a former president. they don't know either. we understand there's a planning call happening today with law enforcement as they try to figure out what kind of posture they need to take down here at the courthouse and potentially to deal with protests here or other parts of the city. you mentioned costello's mission, the presumption of his

lisa rubin, and msnbc lega honest, david cay johnston visiting lecturer at college o law, and glenn kirschnerr federal prosecutor an msnbc legal analyst. great to have all three of you with us. glenn, let start with you. first, let me get your reactio to this news we got today. about tomorrow's grandeu schedule, michael cohe standing as a rebuttal witness for bob costello who's also cohen's forme lawyer how do you see that playing out? what's at play here? >> it doesn't surprise me, ayman, that they may b inviting michael cohen back to shed some light on what bo costello said. at one point in time whe michael cohen was thinking about basically flipping breaking away from donald trump, beginning to tell the trut about his own crimes, th crimes of donald trump bob costello was dispatched, t try to keep michael cohen back into the fold. all tell, you if i were prosecutor and i got to di into a guy like bob costello i the grand jury, boy, i have whole lot of fun doing at people may not know tha often prosecutors well a grand jury cases exhaustively, what mean, by that they'll put ever witness bef

so i am going to bring back in right now, glenn kirschner nbc legal analyst, forme federal prosecutornd o the show, and someone who definitely know could be abl to help us out and, glenn, we will stick with this because it is obviously really important at the end of the last block i asked you about statements tha were made by trump's defense attorneys and whether that could be imputed to him. this is donald trump posting o trump truth social, and thes statements are being made. could these things be used against donald trump these posts untrue social? >> katie, under the rules of evidence, this is what we call the statement a party opponent i would've slap a government exhibits sticker on this pos and i wanted to sit out hi criminal trial and this is a dark moment in our nation's history i'm glad you got to break th news, katie. because what we have just seen is basically, come to d.c. o january 6th. we will be wild. two point oh and i am sorry to say that for months i have been saying on air and online, that the momen donald trump knows he's been indicted, his first post wil be comin

york times, daniella diaz, a congressional reporter for politico, and former federal prosecutor, glenn kirschner. glenn, you're the prosecutor, here i'll start with you. what do you make of the abc reporting, about trump knowingly misleading his attorney, whether classified documents. >> you, know simone, if that reporting is accurate, then a charge against donald trump for obstructing justice, for making a false official statement, what we call a 1001 statement, those charges will be legal layups, because if the prosecution -- i know prosecutors already using donald trump's lawyer, michael cohen against him of a new york. i think this presents a very different kind of legal case. if they were to use and corcoran's witness against his former client, donald trump. it's compelling evidence that after trump had been subpoenaed, they turn over all the classified documents, you don't lose lorelei for him and represent the federal government, you have it, all i have nothing left. of course we know that them, true because of subsequent fbi search, unclassified documents, in donald trump's desk drawers,

glenn kirschner served as federal prosecutor for 30 years, including his time as assistant u.s.was going to mess your last name of, karen, i apologize. i can apollo -- sorry. >> perfect. >> thank you. as chief assistant district attorney in manhattan's fda office under -- both join me now. my apologies again. glenn, what do you make of these developments, as they are unfolding? as we've seen this week in jack smith investigation, for example. >> you know, jack smith seems to be going scorched earth. you know, he's fighting hard for accountability. you know, not only trying to secure the testimony of mike pence and he will succeed. mike pence will see the inside of a grand jury room, and he will be compelled to testify, because his attempt at asserting these privileges will fail, and then equally dramatic is jack smith's attempt to basically flip donald trump's own defense attorney, evan corcoran, against him, because it looks like, according to a finding by chief judge, merrill howell, that donald trump was using evan corcoran in furtherance of submitting crimes. so, the only re

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geoff bennett, glenn kirschner, carol leonnig, think you for all being here in person.efore we go, i want to share a quick note on how recovering former president trump. we are going to cover facts and court filings and indictments surrounding the former president when they happen. we are not going to breathlessly chase every rumor when the grand jury maybe meeting, or maybe not, there's plenty of actual news today, like the shootings in tennessee, and what we can do about it, and abortion rights being under attack in places like the state of idaho. that is what you will hear before you turn every night on the 11th hour. speaking of, when we come back, rhode island congressman dave cicilline is here on his renewed push for an assault weapons ban. we'll bring in the passionate arguments from democrats today, after the nashville devastating school shooting. and, later donald trump ramping up attacks on ron desantis, as some big money republican donors are looking for someone else. our political panel is here to break it all down. the 11th hour just getting underway on a b

peter baker, chief white house correspondent for the new york times, former federa prosecutor glenn kirschner and celebrity author and presidential historian, michae beschloss. gentlemen, it's good to see yo all. glenn, you heard the reporting there. law enforcement doing what the can ahead of a possibl indictment two questions for you, wha might they know that mixed and think that they need to begi preparing a response, or wha exactly do you think that they are anticipating in dealin with >> i have a feeling that district attorney's office has been coordinating with the law enforcement agencies that ar going to be responsible fo making sure donald trump's first appearance in a criminal case comes off without a hitch and nobody is put in harm' way. i don't think these threat assessments are security assessments are naturall springing up for no reason it really does feel like given all of the indicators we'v seen that and a statement is very likely to come down soo in new york. >> glenn, what democrat trump' attorneys saying that trum won't refuse to surrender? >> you know, it seems to m that

. >> and now i want to bring i glenn kirschner, and bisson bc legal analyst and former prosecutor let's just take a step bac here and we talk about how unusual the situation is and kind of complex legal security environment that maybe president in lower manhattan later this week. >> yes, carrot the securit issues i think just got more dramatic quite frankly as result of donald trump's post. it is so reminiscent of what h did on january 6th after sor of summoning people to d.c. on january 6th, telling them yo know come to d.c., we will b wild he then you know riled them up telling them that if they don' fight like hell, they won' have a country anymore he then directed them to the capital and told them to go an take action. stop the steal, stop the certification as what he was communicating. the fact that he used the word steel which was a lie, actuall helps prove his corrupt intent but now he is gone and done it again. he has said i will be arrested on tuesday, we don't know if that's a fact or an alternativ fact at this point that is what he said i will be arrested on tuesday, i will b

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nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard and former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst glenn kirschner. walk us through what we know about this invitation to appear before the grand jury and how trump and his legal team are responding. >> let's start with what we believe the manhattan district attorney alvin bragg is looking at here. this is not an investigation into the trump organization or former president trump's business. the tax fraud scheme, the allegations that assets, that the valuation of assets were inflated. this has nothing to do with the efforts to overturn the 2020 election. this purely comes down to our understanding to those hush money payments that were given to stormy daniels weeks before the 2016 election. this was a matter of michael cohen, who has already served prison time for this, he pleaded guilty for transferring $130,000 that came directly from donald trump to him to stormy daniels to silence her story in the lead up to the 2016 election. now, this had been previously investigated by the manhattan d.a.'s office, but the investigation went silent until this j

otherwise, he shouldn't sa anything >> my earlier colleague, glenn kirschner, was expressin disappointingh the case of the department of justice ha been moving when it comes to holding donald trump accountable compared to stat of, like we're seeing in georgia and here in manhattan. what do you make of that critique, has that apartment o justice been moving at a slowe pace than you'd like to say? >>, well i think they should b further along than they are. we don't know for sure, but it looked like they weren't investigating all the things that the committee had looke into until after we done so. and they kind of wonder why, why the delay. but it looks like the specia prosecutor is moving quickly a this point, and i think th sooner that it's concluded either there is an indictmen or they decide there's not a indictment, i think the better the public needs to know whether something is going t happen or something isn't. and having it delayed serves n real positive interests. although, obviously he needs t be careful and make sure he ha all the facts. >> zoe lofgren, always a pleasure, thank y

also, former federal prosecutor glenn kirschner. >> talk to us about that and how the former president is responding >> reporter: right, this is notable that stormy daniels is directly meeting with prosecutors. of course, to note, that does not mean that she has met with the grand jury essentially, how this process works is that manhattan district attorney alvin bragg, he tries to build his own case with evidence and potential witnesses to go before the grand jury to convince them that they should approve the charges that he would like to bring against in this case donald trump and so stormy daniels meeting with prosecutors gets that conversation going now, the question is, does she actually go before the grand jury we do not have that answer at this time. and we are still waiting to hear whether the grand jury is convening here this afternoon or not. after wrapping up their testimony with michael cohen, who testified for more than five hours over the course of two days i want to let you look at a social media post from donald trump last night about this manhattan district investigatio

we're also joined by glenn kirschner, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst.one will tell you, you want to know what was happening inside that jury room. their interview was fascinating. what stood out to you? >> reporter: well, the big question here was was there any one thing that helped to seal alex murdaugh's fate. what we heard from those jurors and as you just heard there, there was. it was the video shot by his late son paul at the kennels where you overhear alex murdaugh's voice in the background of that video just minutes before both maggie and paul were gunned down. that is after murdaugh had said he told investigators repeatedly that he had not been there. of course, during the trial, he took the stand in his own defense, admitting that he had lied. but jurors said that that was a mistake and that did nothing to help his case. i want to play a little bit of what they had to say about that. >> do you think he hurt himself by taking the stand? did he make it worse? >> i think he did. >> yes. >> why? >> i just think that we already know that he's a law

peter baker, chief white house correspondent for the new york times, former federa prosecutor glenn kirschner, an celebrated author an presidential historian michael -- it's good to see what. you heard the reporting there. law enforcement are doing what they are doing ahead of possible indictment. two questions for you -- what might they know that make them feel like they need t prepare our response what exactly is it that they are anticipating dealing with? >> you know, i have a feelin that the district attorney's office has been coordinating with the law enforcement agencies which are going to be responsible for making sur donald trump's first appearanc in a criminal case comes off without a hit. no one is put in harm's way. i don't think the threat assessments over securit assessments are sort o naturally springing up for n reason what does it - given all of the indicator that we have seen that a indictment is very likely to come down soon in new york >> what do you make of trump's attorney saying that trump wil not refuse to surrender? >> you know, it seems to m that there is no real lega

. >> that former federal prosecutor, glenn kirschner giving his take on what we could soon see in thenhattan grand jury hush money investigation. just ahead, we're going to have new reporting on how donald trump is feeling about a potential perp walk, and now this comes as prominent republicans are rallying behind the former president, continuing to brush off the seriousness of the case. >>> and also ahead, we'll break down the important developments to come out of the second day of meetings between chinese president xi jinping and russia's vladimir putin. good morning, and welcome to "way too early" on this wednesday, march 22nd. i'm jonathan lemire. thanks for starting your day with us. despite claiming on social media over the weekend that he would be arrested on tuesday, donald trump remains a free man for now. as expected, yesterday came and went with no movement in the manhattan district attorney's investigation into a hush money payment the former president allegedly made to porn star stormy daniels in 2016 to silence her about an affair the two allegedly had a decade earlier.

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we want to bring in msnbc legal analyst glenn kirschner.ly, it seems the direction which they are going, the former president employing 's attorneys to a certain extent to do his dirty work, other names that have been floated by the post as well. they have -- how unusual is it to have attorneys turning into witnesses? >> it's highly unusual but it is not unprecedented. there are times when prosecutors will investigate the mafia, mob organizations, and they will get to a point in the investigation but it looks like the attorneys representing the mobsters, the targets of the investigation are complicit into the crimes of the criminal organization and prosecutors do go after mob lawyers. i've seen cases. we've had cases in d.c. where we have been investigating large-scale drug organizations and it turns out the lawyers were accepting what they knew to be dirty drug money as payment. there are times when we have to go out and get those lawyers. it's highly unusual because we don't like to interfere with the sanctity of the attorney client relat

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joining me now glenn kirschner former federal prosecutor, msnbc legal analyst and host of the podcaste matters. glenn, always great to see, you given the witnesses and their proximity to donald trump, on january six can we assume that donald trump is the ultimate target for johnson? >> you know he seems to be one of the only people who hasn't been subpoenaed and i would hasten to add, jonathan, we ordinarily don't subpoena targets because that's the person we're intending to indict that's the person about whom we have all of the incriminating evidence. so of course they would have a fifth amendment right against self information. of course lots of the other folks that you just named also may have a fifth amendment right and cause sultan commission. certainly, mark meadows comes to mind. danny scavino comes to mind, remember, they were both i -- referred to prosecution by the general six committee, by congress, of course. doj never did prosecute that. but that's an easy donna points to argue that they clearly have a fifth amendment right against self incrimination. but, jonathan yue su

joining us now is glen kirschner, a former federa prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. he's the host of the justice matters podcast. glennestigating me, they are mesmerized by th prosecutors. i do not want to hear that phrase >> yeah, and it sounds lik they were entirely engaged lawrence you know, i presented lots o cases to grand jurors, sometimes they're interested sometimes they are les interested but based on what michael cohe was saying, if all of the gran jurors when asking questions and the grand jurors are permitted to ask questions technically it is thei investigation, not really th prosecutor's investigation but if they are engaged, tha is generally a good sign if they are mesmerized by th prosecutor, that is an extremely good sign, because the same prosecutor or team of prosecutors will move from the grand jury into the courtroo and present the case against donald trump >> where do you think we are when they are at the point where they are getting michael cohen in front of the gran jury and they have gone over his testimony there an meetings with him before going to the grand jury. so they consider michael coh